TrainWreck somthing ive never seen before. |HELP|

tokemore

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All threw my veg state plants were fine 3 months + of veg now into week 3 - 4 of flowering with another 4 weeks to go... I checked my plants today yesterday them being fine and today they have spots on the lower middle leaves, the buds are growing fine and so on, i did notice some small brown dots yesterday but figured it was due to the buds sucking up all the nutes and the leaves going without.

Ive been using a combo of rain water and big bud, soil is mirical grow with 3 months nutes and i have a 600w cfl light.


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tokemore

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im confused... Near the generator? whats that mean also no ive just been watering with big bud, i was going to just use pure rain water tommoro and give them a good water
 

missnu

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Lockout due to nutes or pH...because the dots are ususally a potassium deficiency, but if you are giving any kind of bloom nutes then the plant should be getting enough from that alone...So I vote lockout...there still might be too much nitrogen in the miracle gro...it tends to be a little N heavy, and in flower too much N is easy to get...super easy...lol. Anyway you could try to mix in a few tablespoons of plain sugar to your next watering and see if that helps at all...it will either help if there is too much N, and if it is something else it won't hurt the plant...So I usually try it if I suspect overfert anytime...too easy not to. I mean flushing can tend to make things like overfert much much worse...so before you try something else, try the sugar water..and then see how the new growth looks, as the older damaged leaves won't recover in most scenarios...I usually just cut off the damaged leaves, or if I have a lot of damaged leaves you could just cut off the most damaged parts...that way you can see if you have fixed the problem...if the plant starts to look ugly again then you know you didn't get the issue nailed down.
 

tokemore

Member
Flushing the plants has not worked this thing what ever it is, is spreading and there so close to being finished. Need simple advice as im a newbie grower. Help :l
 

tonyeltigre

Active Member
I had something "similar" to this....

next time you do "lights on" Check your soil... and I mean CHECK IT! See if you have mites. I never seen them cause of the purlite an other bullshit in my soil. They blended in too well. Stair at that bitch for like 20min RIGHT AT START UP... that was the only time I could see them. I had to douse the living shit out of my plant to clean it up.

If thats the case. A new product I got turned towards was "Mighty Wash", took care of my problem after the first spray down.
 

tokemore

Member
Flushing the plants has not worked this thing what ever it is, is spreading and there so close to being finished. Need simple advice as im a newbie grower. Help :l
Just ordered some
Sensi Cal Mg Mix // Bloom 1L
to solve this problem, i was told it was a lock out and that it had a mg and cal defisancy. will update if sorted.
 

tonyeltigre

Active Member
Just ordered some
Sensi Cal Mg Mix // Bloom 1L
to solve this problem, i was told it was a lock out and that it had a mg and cal defisancy. will update if sorted.
I got FF Tiger bloom an big bloom.... never had problems with deficiency ever again. Be careful with the Cal/MG mixes... I still have a bottle I used 2x and that's it... The smallest amounts were still too much. When you can mix 1table spoon per 2.5 gals, an still fry them... That is a major issue.


But I would highly suggest looking at the soil like I stated previously before you do possibly more damage
 

tokemore

Member
I got FF Tiger bloom an big bloom.... never had problems with deficiency ever again. Be careful with the Cal/MG mixes... I still have a bottle I used 2x and that's it... The smallest amounts were still too much. When you can mix 1table spoon per 2.5 gals, an still fry them... That is a major issue.


But I would highly suggest looking at the soil like I stated previously before you do possibly more damage
Thanks for commenting, Its definatly not mites as they arent holes in the leaves there just brown bits / goldy colour which is typical signs of lockout i spoke to a supplier of the stuff all things weed related who noes everything and said it sounds like they need mg/cal to perk them back up, going to use tommoro sparinglee to make sure not to hurt them.
 

tonyeltigre

Active Member
Thanks for commenting, Its definatly not mites as they arent holes in the leaves there just brown bits / goldy colour which is typical signs of lockout i spoke to a supplier of the stuff all things weed related who noes everything and said it sounds like they need mg/cal to perk them back up, going to use tommoro sparinglee to make sure not to hurt them.

You'd be surprised lol. I thought mine was deficiency, cause like you said, goldish dry/brown spots.... but they were crafty fuckers... Ill give them that. They survived a room bombing, and a flowering bloom pesticide before I went all out an got the big guns hahaha.
 

tokemore

Member
You'd be surprised lol. I thought mine was deficiency, cause like you said, goldish dry/brown spots.... but they were crafty fuckers... Ill give them that. They survived a room bombing, and a flowering bloom pesticide before I went all out an got the big guns hahaha.
I would no if it had mites, i check the leaves regular and ive never ever seen anything on the leafs. im pretty sure its to do with using too much big bud nute as i gave my plants 3 feeds on it as follows

feed miss 2 days feed miss 2 days feed - feeding on the 2nd day. so im sure it was that that messed it up.
 

tonyeltigre

Active Member
I would no if it had mites, i check the leaves regular and ive never ever seen anything on the leafs. im pretty sure its to do with using too much big bud nute as i gave my plants 3 feeds on it as follows

feed miss 2 days feed miss 2 days feed - feeding on the 2nd day. so im sure it was that that messed it up.
Im not questioning you. Im just saying.... Mine never stayed on the leaves (except on one plant) they always crawled on and in the soil. Basic white mite. Alot of people were baffled at this when I showed them. Thats why I am just throwing that theory out there.
 

missnu

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I really don't think it is bugs...look to be fertilizer related...I think you might want to look at transplanting into Fox Farms Ocean Forest and then give them nothing but water, probably til harvest...you could even add in extra perlite and worm castings if you are feeling fancy, but plain old Ocean Forest would clear up this issue whatever it is...unless it is the pH of the water...because pH can cause all the same symptoms as a deficiency or lockout and keep anything else you do from doing any good...Get an easy to use line of nutes, with as few additives as possible to get you started...I got a sample of some stuff in the mail, Veg + Bloom it is made by a company in California called Hydroponics Research and there can be no easier line of nutes...you use the same thing through the whole grow...and it is powder so you only need a measuring spoon...anyway for ease of use I like it...and the plants in veg that were given some for their first feeding really like it..and not jjust Mj, catnip, strawberries, and tomatoes all love it..I was going to try the sample with just one marigold to see how that went first...but it was so awesome I gave a little to all the plants when next they needed water...it's weird but it almost seems to make them eat more, or use more of the nutes that are there, or something...but I like it, and the plants love it...in veg...now I tried with a plant in flower, and uhhhhh....the plants don't look harmed and all the budding is still looking great and getting bigger everyday, but I dont know if it is due to these nutes, or the last I used, or the organic amendments in the soil, but....I used it and the plants aren't hurt...I haven't yet been able to take one plant all they way from veg to flower with these nutes, but I'm about to...so...we'll see...but hey they are sending out free samples, and it couldn't be easier to start with...like when you run out try a 3 part line...get that down and then after ahile you start to feel like a mad scientist...playing with nematodes, and silver nitrate, and I don't know what all...I have tried so many things...and all of them are good, but I find that I like certai additives from some lines and other things from other lines...I am a sample whore...but after awhile you can work with most anything as long as you can read the labels..and organics are a really great place to start learning to read the labels I think...like I didn't understand the numbers, but with organics it is more about how things interact with each other, and I can dig that...it makes sense...so chemical fertilizers have already done all the interacting...all you focus on are the numbers of what is there...and since you know how all this works it makes the chemical stuff easier to understand...so...start somewhere...I would say read up on organics and how soil feeds the plants planted in it...Not to mention it is harder to overdo most organic nutes...I mean you can...and people say that the General Hydroponics General Organics GO Box is worthless because liquid additives aren't the same or what not..but I don't know...I have tried adding the amendments to the soil and then just watering...and it works great and the plants look nice and everything goes well, but it is so boooorrrrriiiiiinnnnnnggggggggg....I like to mix things...--->hello??? so i like the liquid amendments...I can see a noticeable difference for the better after they are given...where as the organically amended soil with dry additives has nice growth throughout, the liquid amendments are already broken down for the plant, so you see it happen...you know...and I mean I have also used dry organic amendments mixed in with water and given that way, but damn peruvian seabird guano is not easily soluble...so I have to like shake it around with hot water and a rock til I think my arms will fall off...and then it is almost dissolved enough to not end up just stuck to the inside of the jug...I guess you could toss a few in before you water a few times through the grow and let them sit there like slow release nutes...? Anyway I am high and rambling...but starting doesn't have to be hard..although it always seems like it is ...
 

missnu

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I would no if it had mites, i check the leaves regular and ive never ever seen anything on the leafs. im pretty sure its to do with using too much big bud nute as i gave my plants 3 feeds on it as follows

feed miss 2 days feed miss 2 days feed - feeding on the 2nd day. so im sure it was that that messed it up.
So are you saying that you water everyday?
 

djburns1

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i hope that a little cal/mag cleared up your problem but I have to add - you really really need to ph your water - get a meter and your plants will love you back
 
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