Care Giver..or Drug Dealer?

purklize

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You are in a different state. You don't get medical grade stuff on the street here for 5 bucks a gram. The legal environment is much more hostile here and therefore prices have remained higher. Medical grade stuff will fetch no less than 400/oz on the black market here. Getting it for 10/g is a pretty damn good deal in Michigan.
 

bob harris

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Here's what I expect from caregivers. If they do things this way I have no problem with them.

Give clear, explicit expectations for the patient's behavior, and give clear, explicit promises for what will be provided. Give a clear, explicit description of what can be provided, and the grower's skill.

Example...

Patient will not sell medication to others, patient will not call caregiver outside of daylight hours asking for more medication, all medication will be at a flat rate of 10 bucks a gram, minimum of 5 grams for delivery to be made, ALL medication from the patient's plants will be available first for the patient to purchase unless the patient has explicitly stated that they anticipate no need for it, at which point it can be sold at farmer's markets. Or, if the caregiver is just sharing the crop from his/her own 12 plants, and not growing separate plants for the patient, an agreed amount per month to be provided to the patient (1oz/mo, 2oz/mo, whatever). The caregiver has X years of growing experience, X setup, can produce an estimated X amount per month of X quality, X strains are available. Yadda yadda...
To me that's a little pricey. You get the produce from 12 plants, an the patient gets the privilege of paying retail...ouch.
 

bob harris

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Many times I have read ppl who claim to be a CG, say they would never give patients free meds. Other have a limit of 1oz per month thinking that is good..

My example was that if you grow someone 6x plants & harvest lets say.. 14oz. If you were to give them 1oz a month.. that 1x harvest has that patient set for the year.. Now you have 5-6 more harvests @ 14oz..of that patients bud they will not be able to see.

Basically 1 harvest pays off the patient for the entire year, & you now have 5-6 harvests left. = well over 50oz. from plants that are not legally yours.?.


Getting expenses paid is cool, electricity whatever.. when someone decides to "Work from home" because being a caregiver pays so well.. well then. To each his own, but most of the time those are the ones who are needing court & lawer fees after long.
That is exactly what the gc's around here do..it's a disgrace.
 

bob harris

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Oh bob you fucktard even you could could become a fucking human being with 10 years practice and the level of dedication I have. sit your fat self there and rant piggy. you don't know me, my grow my buds or nothing you are a failure at living.
Actually, I've been quite successful thanks. And you the one that pointed out it's taken you ten years of failure to work up to a whopping 2 x 400 "medical grow"...sad...after 10 years with any skills, you should have saved up enough for a real grow room. Sorry about your luck..
 

purklize

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To me that's a little pricey. You get the produce from 12 plants, an the patient gets the privilege of paying retail...ouch.
The caregiver is doing all the work and shouldering all the costs. The caregiver doesn't "owe" the patient anything. If the patient wants the full crop at cost, they can just do it themselves, since growing is so easy. It's their choice to fork over the growing rights to the caregiver. So long as the caregiver is honest and does what he/she says he/she will (same quality, quantity, and price as promised), I don't see what the big problem is.

10/g isn't retail for medical grade... medical grade goes for more like 20/g on the street and at dispensaries. 200-300/oz is a hell of a deal for stuff that goes for 400-500/oz on the street or in dispensaries.

If they buy just two ounces per year off the caregiver for, say, 300/oz, stuff they would've had to pay 400/oz for on the street, then the entire certification/registration cost has been negated ($100 for recommendation, $100 for registration).
 

bob harris

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The caregiver is doing all the work and shouldering all the costs. The caregiver doesn't "owe" the patient anything. If the patient wants the full crop at cost, they can just do it themselves, since growing is so easy. It's their choice to fork over the growing rights to the caregiver. So long as the caregiver is honest and does what he/she says he/she will (same quality, quantity, and price as promised), I don't see what the big problem is.

10/g isn't retail for medical grade... medical grade goes for more like 20/g on the street and at dispensaries. 200-300/oz is a hell of a deal for stuff that goes for 400-500/oz on the street or in dispensaries.

If they buy just two ounces per year off the caregiver for, say, 300/oz, stuff they would've had to pay 400/oz for on the street, then the entire certification/registration cost has been negated ($100 for recommendation, $100 for registration).
What part of the State are you in? West side is waaaay lower prices than those.
 

RawBudzski

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The caregiver is doing all the work and shouldering all the costs. The caregiver doesn't "owe" the patient anything. If the patient wants the full crop at cost, they can just do it themselves, since growing is so easy. It's their choice to fork over the growing rights to the caregiver. So long as the caregiver is honest and does what he/she says he/she will (same quality, quantity, and price as promised), I don't see what the big problem is.

10/g isn't retail for medical grade... medical grade goes for more like 20/g on the street and at dispensaries. 200-300/oz is a hell of a deal for stuff that goes for 400-500/oz on the street or in dispensaries.

If they buy just two ounces per year off the caregiver for, say, 300/oz, stuff they would've had to pay 400/oz for on the street, then the entire certification/registration cost has been negated ($100 for recommendation, $100 for registration).

Technically the Caregiver DOES "Owe" the patient, because without the Patient the caregiver would not be allowed to grow the 12 plants.. Those 12 plants belong to the patient, not the caregiver. If you get busted, II bet in court you'll be crying about how those extra plants belonged to the patients & were not yours.. so since you're still a free man, you'd rather say they are all yours & you owe the patient nothing. Womp womp wompp.


&& 10bucks a Gram is the new norm. if it isn't the norm their yet it will be soon. 20/gram is 2008 prices buddy.. nobody on the streets will pay that here in cali.. 90% of the time the stuff being sold on the st came from the dispense or the grower who supplies the dispense so it's same quality.

People are not dumb, if you try to sell a 20/gram they will just say.. "but it's 10/gram @ the shop"
 

bob harris

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I really wish their was a legal way to transfer as a patient, without having to "sign up" other patients..I certainly don't need anymore plants to help more people. Especially epilepsy, Parkinson's, basically any of the "motor control" diseases patients that benefit from what I grow(high thcv). Not many people growing long flower Sativas, or at least growing them well that I have seen.

All kids of "pain" meds..heavy indica's around, not much in the "motivational" category.
 

vapor85

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Bob you need to get that sand out of your vagina and just let it go. Bitching on the internet endlessly is going to achieve nothing.
 

RawBudzski

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I really wish their was a legal way to transfer as a patient, without having to "sign up" other patients..I certainly don't need anymore plants to help more people. Especially epilepsy, Parkinson's, basically any of the "motor control" diseases patients that benefit from what I grow(high thcv). Not many people growing long flower Sativas, or at least growing them well that I have seen.

All kids of "pain" meds..heavy indica's around, not much in the "motivational" category.
I recently switched from indicas to sativa dom. I have been learning a lot, & the more I read, sativa seems to be where it's @.
 

RawBudzski

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Bob, I think you need an avatar.. maybe that's why people try to trollslam you. <3

I should start copy/paste bobs post & see if I get the same reactions lol. What did you do to these people bob! hahah.
 

bob harris

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Technically the Caregiver DOES "Owe" the patient, because without the Patient the caregiver would not be allowed to grow the 12 plants.. Those 12 plants belong to the patient, not the caregiver. If you get busted, II bet in court you'll be crying about how those extra plants belonged to the patients & were not yours.. so since you're still a free man, you'd rather say they are all yours & you owe the patient nothing. Womp womp wompp.


&& 10bucks a Gram is the new norm. if it isn't the norm their yet it will be soon. 20/gram is 2008 prices buddy.. nobody on the streets will pay that here in cali.. 90% of the time the stuff being sold on the st came from the dispense or the grower who supplies the dispense so it's same quality.

People are not dumb, if you try to sell a 20/gram they will just say.. "but it's 10/gram @ the shop"
You are exactly right. The 12 plants DO belong to the patient. And his price on meds sounds off to me too..at least on the west side of Michigan.

You actually get how the care giver situation is supposed to work. And you are right on when you say "they will be the patients plants in court"

A caregiver owes the patient care...read the law again..you don't get paid for the cannabis, you get paid for assisting the patient..

Caregiver as most wish it to be is now gone anyways..cg's can only supply their direct patients....so any "overage" is now illegal anyhow...under the current interpretation of the law, anyone with 12 plants for each patient, is going to have a tough time in court....Well your honor, I give each patient 1 oz a month, the sell the other two pounds on the black market to cover my costs.....
 

Pimpernickel

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It doesn't say anywhere in the law what a caregiver is to be paid, prices are set by supply and demand just like anything else. As more growers have came on the scene and learned to grow good meds the price has gone down. If the demand remains the same and more people become good growers price will drop further. A large part of the profit a cg receives is due to the risk. We are taking a risk by investing large amounts of money building a proper grow, we are taking a risk by investing so much time in perfecting our craft when the law is uncertain and can change at any minute wiping out our investment.
You bleeding hearts that want meds to be free are so annoying.
 

RawBudzski

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It doesn't say anywhere in the law what a caregiver is to be paid, prices are set by supply and demand just like anything else. As more growers have came on the scene and learned to grow good meds the price has gone down. If the demand remains the same and more people become good growers price will drop further. A large part of the profit a cg receives is due to the risk. We are taking a risk by investing large amounts of money building a proper grow, we are taking a risk by investing so much time in perfecting our craft when the law is uncertain and can change at any minute wiping out our investment.
You bleeding hearts that want meds to be free are so annoying.

Naw man, caregivers are not supposed get Paid for taking the risk of growing. They took that risk freely with a choice they made. Can you not try to justify getting paid for pot. I am sure every example you bring up will fall apart, aside from "electricity is expensive"

Once again, two types of caregivers out there.. The ones who are legit & run a business, & the ones in-home hoping to make some $$$. the latter are the ones who get busted left & right due to violations such as being over weight, selling meds, avoiding taxes.

I have nothing negative to say to any CG who has put in the time/money/effort for some elaborate operation..but for mr. average joe down the st. with his bedroom packed full of plants hoping to buy that new boat next harvest. >.<
 

purklize

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Technically the Caregiver DOES "Owe" the patient, because without the Patient the caregiver would not be allowed to grow the 12 plants.. Those 12 plants belong to the patient, not the caregiver. If you get busted, II bet in court you'll be crying about how those extra plants belonged to the patients & were not yours.. so since you're still a free man, you'd rather say they are all yours & you owe the patient nothing. Womp womp wompp.
Firstly, I am not a caregiver. I am a patient and grow only for myself and have never transferred to anyone. Secondly, if I was a caregiver and got busted, I would NOT be behaving as you suggested, I have been through the system so to speak and had cops threatening to blow my head off if I didn't give names, beating the hell outta me and I didn't say shit. Thanks for assuming I'd snitch though. I believe in honor and loyalty above all else. Wonder why I'm throwing myself out here to defend other people so relentlessly? It's because I care about others and can't stand seeing people who are just trying to survive getting hammered with vicious criticism for their efforts.

The 12 plants do NOT belong to the patient. The law says that the patient gets to choose who is legally allowed to possess plants; nowhere does it say the patient retains ownership when the caregiver is simply given the legal right to grow them. Besides, in the legal world transfer of possession implies transfer of ownership unless explicitly stated otherwise (which it is not under our law). And if the caregiver is not able to sell to anyone but that patient, then the growing is entirely to service the patient, and the caregiver owes the patient NOTHING. Have you even read the Michigan Medical Marijuana Act? I don't know what the situation is in California but your statements on the situation in Michigan are pretty inaccurate so far.


&& 10bucks a Gram is the new norm. if it isn't the norm their yet it will be soon. 20/gram is 2008 prices buddy.. nobody on the streets will pay that here in cali.. 90% of the time the stuff being sold on the st came from the dispense or the grower who supplies the dispense so it's same quality.
Is this not the MICHIGAN medical marijuana forum?

People are not dumb, if you try to sell a 20/gram they will just say.. "but it's 10/gram @ the shop"
I haven't heard that here. Most of our dispensaries are gone, and, despite what bob harris says, I have never seen medical quality bud on the street for anything less than 300/oz, and most people I have talked to said it's 400/oz and up. You can get good stuff for 300/oz, but rarely medical quality. 10/g is absolutely unheard of in Michigan for medical quality, you'll be paying at least 50 for an eighth which is almost 15/g, and that's a good price. 60 is more the norm.
 

purklize

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Once again, two types of caregivers out there.. The ones who are legit & run a business, & the ones in-home hoping to make some $$$. the latter are the ones who get busted left & right due to violations such as being over weight, selling meds, avoiding taxes.

I have nothing negative to say to any CG who has put in the time/money/effort for some elaborate operation..but for mr. average joe down the st. with his bedroom packed full of plants hoping to buy that new boat next harvest. >.<
So it is okay for rich people to set up huge sophisticated grows and make boatloads of cash, but it is wrong for poor people to set up a grow in their bedroom for their own use and to sell some on the side to help cover the costs?

Got it - rich, good - poor, bad.
 

RawBudzski

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So it is okay for rich people to set up huge sophisticated grows and make boatloads of cash, but it is wrong for poor people to set up a grow in their bedroom for their own use and to sell some on the side to help cover the costs?

Got it - rich, good - poor, bad.
Well, usually the people with the funds tend to do it right, they are not desperate for a quick buck, they go the legal route. My point was that people who can hardly afford the equip & still choose to CG with hopes of making $$$ is the wrong approach to growing buds. big difference.

Who cares if it's usually the broke cheap fks who break the law in regards to mmj, maybe they should not try to play the system. This is not a morality discussion, I am speaking in regards to what is deemed Legal and illegal.. in reality. it is the poorer cashcroppers who go to jail. not the Rich elaborate peoples grow. <3
 

apothecarist

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Costs are not that much after the initial equipment purchase....and the felony drug charge is moot. The care giver chose to take on that responsibility..he wasn't forced.

what's it cost to set up a 72 plant grow? 10-15 thousand? after that, it's basically electricity and minimal supplies. operating costs may reach 3 grand a month..including amortization of the original equipment....tale 6k off that 19k every two months, and thats around $80,000 per year in gross profits. and that's at only 200 per oz...bump it up to 250 an oz..and your back to 6 figures per year..for tending 72 plants....an executive wage for a part time gardeners work.

Sounds to me like you need to put your money where your mouth is and start up a 72 plant grow so you can give it away. Please do it. Lets see some real compassion.
 

purklize

Active Member
http://hightimes.com/lounge/ht_admin/7609 Here's an objective source.

http://www.priceofweed.com/prices/United-States/Michigan.html?pg=3 And another.

Both are probably skewed by dealers trying to inflate the price index and buyers trying to depress it, there's some junk numbers in there like $0 for an ounce, and a lot of these numbers are probably medical card holders meaning they get better deals than looking on the street... and still, $350-400/oz for kind bud is the norm if you consider both sources.
 

RawBudzski

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Sounds to me like you need to put your money where your mouth is and start up a 72 plant grow so you can give it away. Please do it. Lets see some real compassion.
That is the entire point, some people are not broke sissies. Those who are professional pay out of pocket for the fees & licensing. You're not supposed to spend the 15k on equipment then Sell Buds to make that money back. (you will make money back, but that is not how you approach it.) o_O

2x DIFFERENT TYPES OF CAREGIVERS DAMNIT ! THOSE WHO GO BIG SCALE & SUPPLY THE PATIENTS & ALL EXTRA MEDS GO THROUGH A CLINIC/DISPENSARY.

Those who are small scale & try to nickle & dime their patients meds from home.. Big difference.

It's the people who throw 72 plants under 2x 1000 watt lights making shyt bud hoping to make bank, their are MORE of those assholes than the professional warehouse operations.
 
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