Heavy 16 users!

Warlock1369

Warlock1369

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Just wondering how many of us are out there. I love this stuff been using it for a year now. I did change and use different additives then what they say but I found what works for me. I've tried so many different nute lines over the years. This is the only one I will stick with now. And also wondering if anyone has had a bad thing to say about it?
 
Warlock1369

Warlock1369

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Well I'll start. I started hydro years ago. Used AN then. It was nice used the full line. But after running 4 tables each with a 25 gallon res and all on different feedings. It became a pain in the ass doing the changes in 1 day. I was starting to get mixed up. But was design with it. But after the plug they got on weeds and the gain in popularity. They raised the price 19-15%. that was the end for me. Went to humbolt nutes. Full line. 3part thinking I'd have better control. And did 2 tank changes on sat and 2 on Sunday. Worked great till later in the grow when I was using so much I was buying everything weekly agin. Started to out whaigh my yeild. So I shut down completely and revamped my room. More light better cooling. Just to acomidate larger growing area for better yield to offset the price of nutes I was going to be using. Now I run out of funds and was only able to make a flower room with a 15 site ebb and flow. A veg room with a home made flood tub 15 site. And a cloning area. Want to add a second 15 flow and grow for better veg an transition week into first week of flower.
Well buy that time I was looking at going back to AN. And was talking to the hydro guy. And he was out of alot of the AN items I wanted. But had the humbolt. Said I didn't like how hard it was to clean the res. That stuff sticks to everything. Then brought up heavy 16 he just got in. I looked it up. Decided to go with the line and the Botanicare items they talk about. Up front price was high around 60 bucks a bottle and need 4. And then the others. Was really getting ready to kick myself in the ass for doing this. But used it for a whole grow. Plants loved it I got maybe 1/3 better then AN and twice humboult. Res was easyer to clean stell had some residue needing scrubbed. Found that to be mostly the botanicare. After the whole grow 25 gallons a week of veg. 55 gallons a week flower I still had half the veg and almost 1/4 of the bud. Did the math cost around 150 for the whole grow. Minus the additives.
Started another grow. Wanting to get everything dialed in befor I went full out. This time I didn't use anything from botanicare except liquid karma. And just used stuff I was using for my veggies. And tried to get the proper npk. After starving then burning the shut out of them I thought I had it. Started the perpetual grow. Using what I found. Price went down stock stayed longer and cleaning is so easy I just need to hit the top 3 inches of the res with a brush and rince the rest down with clean water. And start refilling. Total time about 30 min a tank.
Asking what I desided to use?
Liquid karma (botanicare)
Azos (Xtreme gardening)
N-CAL-Mag (grow more)
Armor kote (grow more)
All mixed in a jug then added to res.
Hygrozyme added to res
Then heavy 16 added to res.
Ph is always around 6.0 so after 30 min I test and adjust.
Also have
Mykos drops (Xtreme gardening) inside my pots.
A few oz of each and done. Plants are healthy as can be. And I'm happier now that I can spen less time cleaning and more time on the plants and room. And at the moment I'm trying to see how things go with a res change every 2 weeks. Start of week 2 flower and not a problem yet.
I know thus was long but to give a full understanding of my decision of this product. Needed to know the past with other nutes first. That way people can make up there own minds and don't think I'm going off speculation alone.
 
captain insaneo

captain insaneo

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OK I will throw my 2 cents in. I just started to run heavy 16 for my flower I have used house and garden for a while now thought I would switch it up. Now I do have a job in the hydro industry so needless to say hydro is my life. I was intrigued by their original pitch that it was all about simplicity. I know that deep down that is wrong and now they have their prime and fire too! aka a metabolism booster and a pk booster. their original advanced feed chart even had you use a hodge podge of different boosters too.

I am currently running heavy 16 bud in flowering with the addition of some home made compost tea(ancient forest, ewc, molasses, great white, kangaroots,guano, humic acid and bioweed), bud xl and top booster in ebb and flow coco. I should also point out I have moved away from vert sog to tree growing now. So it has been a learning curve. I have had some ph fluctuations but I know that is due to my tea. The growth is phenomenal and the flowers look killer and feel fantastic. I am however looking for a good pk booster to go with my soup. I am looking into shooting powder or bloombastic currently. Also for shits and giggles we put some marigolds in a botanicare aerojet system and have been using heavy 16. We scrogged them out and it only took 3 marigolds to fill the 4x4 space. Its kind of awesome.
 
captain insaneo

captain insaneo

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with heavy 16 here are three negative points.
1. Its fucking expensive.
2. No one uses it because its fucking expensive and thus there isn't anyone to help when you have a question.
3. Watch for pH swings as it will lock out nutrients due to the less is more stance of heavy 16

Also it is a pain in the ass to pour out of their bulk size containers for that price it should come with the valve lids... just a thought
 
Warlock1369

Warlock1369

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Thanks for the info. So we have a few draw backs.
1. Price
2. Not to many people using it do not to much assistance.
3. PH flex.

I will start a list but will also share my info.
1. Price. ( yup but after braking it down for $400 upfront I'm getting 1200 gallons of res water.)
2. Not much use. ( this is very true. But I'm here to help so there's 1) :)
3. PH flex. ( never had it. I use RO water and after ph is around 5.8-6.0. Highest was 6.4 with 5.0 being lowest. Ph to 5.4 and the flex was between 5.2-6.0. To me that is perfect.)
But like I stated befor I steped away from most of the botanicare products.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Been growing bout 20 years but havent heard , seen, or known anyone who has. Is this stuff new? Who is it made by? I asked the local shops they arent familiar with it so I called my buddy who has 3 shops he said he thinks he heard of it but has never seen it....So add to your list unknown unadvertised lol
 
North40Farmer

North40Farmer

Member
I've been using heavy 16 since 2010 and haven't gone back to anything else. I used canna before and it totally blows it out of the water. I use the entire lineup now except the foliar spray as I have seen no noticeable difference when not using it. I also use the Heavy Fire blooming addative that just came out, the bottle I have actually says "preview" on it. I used in in coco top feed system and Im currently using it in Fox farm ocean forest. I got hooked on the stuff when I lived in Santa Barbara and went the hydro store I went to(greencoast) was giving out samples because they are friends with the manufacturer. They also have a new additive coming out that is a root excel replacement and supposed to be better with more beneficial stuff in it to blow roots out and protect roots. This stuff is all over southern california hydro shops, uo here in Northern cali it's a little harder to find but there are several online retailers who have a great price on it. hydrobuilder.com and igrowhydro.com have it at a significant discount over the hydro stores. I agree with the previously stated drawbacks.
1. Most expensive nutrient line, my guess is because it is handcrafted and it's new and not a big company.
2.Not very many do use it, this has not affected my that bad because I have been fortunate enough to have friends who are master growers use the stuff and have helped me out. I am also able to answer some questions.
3. I have never had problems with ph they actually advertise that is should self ph when using the same ammount of a+B and for the most part it really works. I am on well water that come out the tap at 7-7.2 and 75 ppm after adding roots excel, greatwhite, Heavy 16 Prime, Heavy 16 Fire, Canna Cannazyme, and Heavy Bud a+b my ph comes out to 6.2 - 6.3 and I don't even adjust it and it works great.
4. Yes the bottles are extremely hard to pour it pisses my off how much spillagae I get. For the 1l bottle I have found that taking the top from the Log Cabin syrup bottle and puttting on the 1L bottles works great for pouring. any bottle top that fits would work just poke a small hole in it for pouring. The 4L and larger bottles are even worse I just pour it into a large measuring cup then use that to measure into a smaller shotglass measuring cup.IMG_1191.JPGpicture taken before i got the heavy fire but that is in my lineup now. IMG_0097.jpg blackberry kush from my last grow with heavy 16 now im growing XXX OG and will update my grow journal tonight, Also using heavy 16 lineup.
 
silusbotwin

silusbotwin

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captain insaneo said:
with heavy 16 here are three negative points.
1. Its fucking expensive.
2. No one uses it because its fucking expensive and thus there isn't anyone to help when you have a question.
3. Watch for pH swings as it will lock out nutrients due to the less is more stance of heavy 16

Also it is a pain in the ass to pour out of their bulk size containers for that price it should come with the valve lids... just a thought
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Jay? Is that you man? lol
 
GreenDyl

GreenDyl

Active Member
I'm about to use this full lineup in a Oceanus system with everything they recommend besides cannazyme. Probably wont start a journal cause its a fairly large grow but we'll within my medical limits. Just wondering if there's any tips you guys can give me to make sure I don't mess up.
 
knnthc93

knnthc93

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Been running heavy a & b with aptus additives and cap beenies. everything look's good but haven's chopped yet
 
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papagreentrees

Member
Just was hooked up with a whole product lineup. Fire and root included. Going to A & B against the current product line. Any other product I should introduce as well.
 
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