Confirmed: Obama's Birth Certificate Not Authentic 2012

so meanwhile they got you hatin on the gop and they are all having an orgy right now at nancies ....same team man, it doesn't matter...on this election a vote for Obama is a vote for Romney and vice versa
 
deprave said:
so meanwhile they got you hatin on the gop and they are all having an orgy right now at nancies ....same team man, it doesn't matter...on this election a vote for Obama is a vote for Romney and vice versa
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Sarcasm doesn't go over well in text. I was being sarcastic when I said anything about voting, I have grown out of that. Obama is right wing, yes, you are absolutely correct about that. At least he promises (again I know promises are empty) but at least he promises less war and come on, you have to admit, cannabis laws have loosened more in the last four years than in any other time since Anslinger, so judge a tree by it's fruit. I'll be a little relieved if Romney loses. he was not being ambiguous in his opposition to medical cannabis. Keep clamoring for Paul though seriously, I support him. I can set aside my left wing ideology to support him, even his "free-market" faith is ok if he could deliver the personal liberty he promises. It ain't gonna happen though. I agree though, every politician represents the wealthy only.
 
whats crazy is that romney talks about helping the people and that middle class familys are the biggest contributors to the economy yet he is against the buffet rule! KILL GREED! that should be all over the news and not some crap about a bc. hell romneys grandfather was a fugitive as he moved to mexico to keep his four wives. this is where romneys dad was born! why arent anybody talking about romneys bc?! this anti obama stuff is mostly propaganda to get a greedy republican in the white house.
 
I don't see Obama as right wing, I just see him as authoritarian, I see republicans the same way. They are all in the center with little differences between them, I don't think I am as left as abandon but I basically support the same ideas except I am neutral about unions and I think free market is better than what we have now at least it allows for the most growth, however the major flaw with that is it creates giant governments. Once you realize you are libertarian is only a matter of time before you have to admit your an anarchist and then you begin to study anarchy which is by and large a left way of thinking. I think its important to recognize that market anarchism allows for left anarchism and libertarianism but again the major flaw is it creates these governments that anarchy and libertarianism opposses (EVENTUALLY). Further its important to recognize that all idelogies fail because they are not morally correct, realistic, or based on philosophical understandings and therefore irrational. Logic is blind to rationalism so you must have both, you can't come to a valid conclusion only using logics without the rational in every scenario you must have a wider view and the sames goes with rational thinking and philosophy. Rational Vs Logical, Philosophical vs Idelogical, classic opposing views and its important to recognize the lesson of both even thou each of us tends to side with one or the other I think they can and should work togather.
 
deprave said:
I don't see Obama as right wing, I just see him as authoritarian, I see republicans the same way. They are all in the center with little differences between them, I don't think I am as left as abandon but I basically support the same ideas except I am neutral about unions and I think free market is better than what we have now at least it allows for the most growth, however the major flaw with that is it creates giant governments. Once you realize you are libertarian is only a matter of time before you have to admit your an anarchist and then you begin to study anarchy which is by and large a left way of thinking. I think its important to recognize that market anarchism allows for left anarchism and libertarianism but again the major flaw is it creates these governments that anarchy and libertarianism opposses (EVENTUALLY). Further its important to recognize that all idelogies fail because they are not morally correct, realistic, or based on philosophical understandings and therefore irrational. Logic is blind to rationalism so you must have both, you can't come to a valid conclusion only using logics without the rational in every scenario you must have a wider view and the sames goes with rational thinking and philosophy. Rational Vs Logical, Philosophical vs Idelogical, classic opposing views and its important to recognize the lesson of both even thou each of us tends to side with one or the other I think they can and should work togather.
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I just simplify it and say that all ideologies are susceptible to corruption and I think that sums what you are saying too kind of. I think that the distinction between left and radical left, is that radical implies making dramatic sweeping changes to society in a short period of time. I am not revolutionary, I'm progressive. Things take time, society grows slowly. I want all soldiers to be out of business due to a lack of war, sadly, this is something that will not happen.

The left/right paradigm is an analogy of the French Revolution. Parliament was physically split in two sides of the floor by an aisle and the people who sat on the left were those supporting revolution and those sitting on the right supported the King. Something like that, but all it means is left wants change, right wants things to stay the same. The current administration rode in on promises of Change I Could Believe in and did not deliver. Particularly in regards to Latin American policies.
 
kelly4 said:
How far left of center Are you? Wow, I'm speechless.......
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The center is the worst of both worlds, in concept, it appears that a candidate is trying to woo both sides of the spectrum by trying to give them each some of what they want. In practice, it is a candidate not giving either side anything they want, worried that they will lose votes by catering too much to one side. I would rather have an honest all the way rightwinger (Paul) than a centrist.
 
abandonconflict said:
The center is the worst of both worlds, in concept, it appears that a candidate is trying to woo both sides of the spectrum by trying to give them each some of what they want. In practice, it is a candidate not giving either side anything they want, worried that they will lose votes by catering too much to one side. I would rather have an honest all the way rightwinger (Paul) than a centrist.
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AMEN! +rep for you
 
I otoh prefer centrists. They're the last credible bastion in this country of the pro-gun, pro-choice, anti-authoritarian sentiment. I say "credible" to pre-empt the protests of Libertarians. The Libertarian political organizations in this nation are things of the fringe. cn
 
You don't think for a minute that BOTH parties were well aware of this BEFORE he ran? Child Please.

Wake the FUCK up. You still probably believe 911 was done by a bunch of dumb alCIAda
 
Canna Sylvan said:
I get dibs on the I told you so thread when Obama gets sent back to Mexico.
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If we're calling dibs, I call the "Obama is really Osama with no beard and hair" thread. Their facial features size, shape and alignment are almost identical, even skin colour (in fairness... Obama isn't exactly all that "black" at all)...the pictures of Obama watching Osama get shot was really him critiquing his own performance.

All in good time... ;)
 
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