Are there ANY Christians on RIU?

missnu said:
I am not a Christian, but it is alright if you are..I think people should just stop talking about their religion on here at all...or their lack of religion, whatever the case may be...I see no reason to discuss it at all...I don't understand all this preoccupation with what other people are doing or thinking or believing...because when you openly discuss your points of view you are inviting others to as well, and sometimes that can be a little hard to swallow...for anyone
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It's a big leap from, 'I see no reason to discuss it at all' to 'I think EVERYONE shouldn't discuss it'. Seems very egocentric. It's a public sub-forum specifically created to discuss these very things, it would seem a waste of virtual space not to. Many of us like to have our ideas, beliefs and POVs challenged. It can help show you where you may have errors, and can strengthen your critical thinking skills. Plus, I often learn so many new things from these discussions. True, it can sting but I'm often better for it...
 
abandonconflict said:
Proof [proof]

noun

 1. evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.


2. anything serving as such evidence: What proof do you have?


3. the act of testing or making trial of anything; test; trial: to put a thing to the proof.


4. the establishment of the truth of anything; demonstration.


Evidence [ev-i-dence]

noun

 1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.


2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.



I omitted the definitions that pertain to law, which is very charitable, and yet still nothing you said remotely resembles any of these definitions for either proof or evidence.
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...problem number one - you think I owe it to you. I don't.

...problem number two - how can a person use mundane words to describe something beyond it? You would have to have faith first in order to engage in a discussion about faith. Make sense? I could describe until I'm blue in the face (haha) and you wouldn't agree. It comes down to 'taste' - experience. So what we've established here is that religion is not to your liking, you don't have a 'taste' for it. No biggie.
 
eye exaggerate said:
...problem number one - you think I owe it to you. I don't.

...problem number two - how can a person use mundane words to describe something beyond it? You would have to have faith first in order to engage in a discussion about faith. Make sense? I could describe until I'm blue in the face (haha) and you wouldn't agree. It comes down to 'taste' - experience. So what we've established here is that religion is not to your liking, you don't have a 'taste' for it. No biggie.
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It is quite true, you owe me nothing, and so you fail to convince me, so we have nothing to offer one another. However, I would LOVE to believe what you do. If you can deliver a cogent argument, I will be convinced. If you do not wish to convince people of what you say, you are just blowing smoke. Want to buy some snake oil? It cures everything.
 
eye exaggerate said:
...problem number one - you think I owe it to you. I don't.

...problem number two - how can a person use mundane words to describe something beyond it? You would have to have faith first in order to engage in a discussion about faith. Make sense? I could describe until I'm blue in the face (haha) and you wouldn't agree. It comes down to 'taste' - experience. So what we've established here is that religion is not to your liking, you don't have a 'taste' for it. No biggie.
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Hey, Eye! When one brings up ideas but don't back them up with anything concrete, they can be hard to take seriously. You seem so eloquent, it's hard to believe that you couldn't put any experience into words. I find it curious that people that bring up concrete concepts based in reality have no trouble putting them into words, I myself have beautifully transcendent experiences that I've never had trouble explaining in detail. i.e. one can engage in a discussion about biology or cosmology without having prior knowledge (or 'taste') of the subject, why is it so different for the topic of faith? You know I mean no offense, just inquiring...
 
im Lutheran,and i believe if you live a religous or non-religous life,as long as it makes you happy and a better person because of it than,so be it.You know?Most bashing on this sites done when some jerk decides to belittle someones beliefs(thats when keys on the keyboard start getting crunched)if discussions were like "I understand what your saying,and where your coming from,but my belief is my belief,and i live happily because of it." Than no one feels the need to prove or disprove anything.Everyones happy,and we can have an intellectual discussion without anyone getting theyre feelings hurt.Basically treat others views on forums as if it were your own point of view.No one likes being called a moron via web.
 
I shared what I had. Im done... But bullshit dont cut it with me either... I just see where it appeared as though u were joining in on the gang bang on me, so there ya go... Christians can fight back too, believe it or not... SOmetimes enough is enough... Im not going back and reading anything else... I truely have many much better and more productive things to attend to, than repeatedly attemt to explain or re-explain myself, while everyone pickz apart every word and letter of what I say, and either misconstrues it, or blows it up so big, that it is just ridiculous, so I really dont care anymore... Im glad to see theres some other folks on here like myself, but it is of no relevance to me what anyone else does, says, or believes, or whatever...
 
Nice monkey pics... Do u use them as porno also, while u r on the computer? Is that what yer into? Thatz cool man... No hate here... Just sayin man...
 
GanjaGod420000 said:
I shared what I had. Im done... But bullshit dont cut it with me either... I just see where it appeared as though u were joining in on the gang bang on me, so there ya go... Christians can fight back too, believe it or not... SOmetimes enough is enough... Im not going back and reading anything else... I truely have many much better and more productive things to attend to, than repeatedly attemt to explain or re-explain myself, while everyone pickz apart every word and letter of what I say, and either misconstrues it, or blows it up so big, that it is just ridiculous, so I really dont care anymore... Im glad to see theres some other folks on here like myself, but it is of no relevance to me what anyone else does, says, or believes, or whatever...
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Want to buy some snake oil? It cures everything.
 
abandonconflict said:
It is quite true, you owe me nothing, and so you fail to convince me, so we have nothing to offer one another. However, I would LOVE to believe what you do. If you can deliver a cogent argument, I will be convinced. If you do not wish to convince people of what you say, you are just blowing smoke. Want to buy some snake oil? It cures everything.
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In my humble onion ... when eye says "how can a person use mundane words to describe something beyond it?", that deserves respect. I am not convinced, myself ... but more importantly, I am not counterconvinced. I have not done much psychedelic travel, but the bit I did educated me in the sheer power of ideas, perceptions etc. that simply cannot be reduced to language, and so are freed from either the necessity or even the availability of proof, or disproof. While I am generally a very verbal and reason-driven individual, the lesson for me was that reason is not all of it. It is simultaneously frustrating and oddly comforting that reality isn't everywhere definite, reducible to language. I believe that the incommunicable contains something real, even as I am not fond of ascribing something as anthropocentric as "consciousness" or "will" or "identity" to that. cn

<edit> Tyler, I think this post speaks to your question as well.
 
cannabineer said:
In my humble onion ... when eye says "how can a person use mundane words to describe something beyond it?", that deserves respect. I am not convinced, myself ... but more importantly, I am not counterconvinced. I have not done much psychedelic travel, but the bit I did educated me in the sheer power of ideas, perceptions etc. that simply cannot be reduced to language, and so are freed from either the necessity or even the availability of proof, or disproof. While I am generally a very verbal and reason-driven individual, the lesson for me was that reason is not all of it. It is simultaneously frustrating and oddly comforting that reality isn't everywhere definite, reducible to language. I believe that the incommunicable contains something real, even as I am not fond of ascribing something as anthropocentric as "consciousness" or "will" or "identity" to that. cn

<edit> Tyler, I think this post speaks to your question as well.
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"...this is how you can experience what I did that made me believe what I do." would be sufficient.

I want to believe in magic too. Share this amazing shit.
 
abandonconflict said:
"...this is how you can experience what I did that made me believe what I do." would be sufficient.

I want to believe in magic too. Share this amazing shit.
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One magic trick that works for many: Wait a while and everything will disappear-- EVERYTHING. Faith is an approach to incorporate the unknowable in our lives.
 
abandonconflict said:
"...this is how you can experience what I did that made me believe what I do." would be sufficient.

I want to believe in magic too. Share this amazing shit.
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When I re-dosed with the same psychedelics, I did not revisit the "amazing places" but got to see some different ones. I could not even do it (reproduce the experience) for myself. Does that invalidate the first visit? I think not. Does it help me communicate my experiences/perceptions? No. Some things simply are beyond language, reason, the limitations of our one-and-change kilogram of hot thinkin' meat. There is (to my knowledge) no reproducible procedure.

I draw the line at magic. Magic is the perceptible influence of unnatural forces upon a natural substrate. I don't think either I or eye (heh!) are describing or advocating magic. I guess what I am saying is that these ineffable experiences are probably a part of Nature and thus not magic, but for reasons of our neurology are ordinarily filtered out somehow ... rather conforming to Aldous Huxley's brilliant metaphor of the "doors of perception". cn
 
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