Liberals have forgotten how to make the religious case for liberal causes

abandonconflict

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New Haven, CT - Every four years, the United States spasms with all sorts of manufactured outrage in the run-up to the election. 2012 is no exception. The latest in fake politics is being called "Rosengate", named after a Democratic strategist who said Mitt Romney's wife has never worked a day in her life.
She was right. Ann Romney, a mother of five married to a quarter-billionaire, is indeed unqualified to speak to the economic concerns of the average working American woman. But Romney had been polling badly with women and this was a chance to turn the tables. Now it was President Barack Obama who was being anti-mother! Mothers work, too, you know! Yes, but that's not the point. No matter. The right-wing media echo chamber has been ringing since.

Republicans aren't entirely to blame. The Democrats are partly responsible for this spun-from-thin-air controversy, because of a decision they made during a genuine controversy over the so-called contraception mandate.
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First, a refresher: The contraception mandate is part of the historic health care reform law called the Affordable Care Act. It requires that all employers cover birth control in their insurance plans. This applies even to employers affiliated with churches. That's where the heart of the dispute lies. Forcing church-affiliated employers like colleges and hospitals who believe in birth control is a sin to pay for birth control could be a violation of their constitutional rights. Prominent Catholics, not just conservative ones, rejected the rule. In response, Obama modified the rule so insurance companies bear the burden, not the church-affiliated employers.

Republicans, taking a cue from Cardinal Timothy Dolan, head of the United States Conference of Catholics Bishops, saw an opening. They started to hammer Obama for his appearing to attack the freedom of religion. They did this even after Obama modified the rule. Democrats never bothered to take up the fight on religious grounds. Instead, they chose, with good reason, to denounce the GOP's "war on women".
This was a rare instance in which being right yielded political dividends. The GOP and its conservative media allies, ie, talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh, revealed themselves to be unreconstructed champions of bald-faced chauvinism. Romney has suffered from an enormous gender gap. Women still prefer Obama.
But now, with this fake outrage over the fake slander of working mothers, Republicans now enjoy the appearance of a balanced counterweight to the liberal charge of being anti-woman. Not only that, Republicans have, because Democrats gave it to them, the moral high ground. The Democrats are anti-mother as well as anti-religion.
A liberal killed the Christian liberal star
It didn't have to be this way. Democrats could have argued in the name of the Sermon on the Mount, an unimpeachable source of biblical authority in keeping with the egalitarian spirit of Obama's health care legislation that may have gained wide appeal among women voters who already express more concern about health care than they do balanced budgets.
But they didn't. Why?
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Part of the reason is obvious. Conservatives are so much better at using religion as a rhetorical weapon. But that isn't a natural outcome of party affiliation or innate ideology. Liberal Democrats gave up on religion a long time ago.
The Republican Party used to be widely viewed as the party most willing to drive the humanity out of working-class Americans by using the bloodless forces of laissez-faire capitalism. William Jennings Bryan, the three-time Democratic presidential candidate, fought against that. He was the champion of the common man, a populist philosopher and the chief spokesman of a nearly extinct strain of ideology: Christian liberalism. Bryan's worldview went on to become central to the building of the New Deal.
1925 might be the year in which Christian liberalism died, and, as is typical in the history of American liberalism, American liberalism is a prime suspect in the crime.
That was the year in which Darwin's theory of evolution stood trial in Dayton, a small town in rural Tennessee. Bryan in effect defended revealed religion while arguing against the teaching of evolution in public schools while famed civil libertarian Clarence Darrow argued for evolution.
In what will forever be remembered in the annals of bad legal manoeuvers, Bryan allowed himself to be cross-examined. The whole wild affair was famously preserved by HL Mencken, who wrote in a July 21 dispatch for the New York Times:
"Darrow drew from Bryan that he knew little of comparative religion, very little of geology, nothing of physiology, and hardly anything that would interest a man seeking light on the vast questions of evolution and religion on which he had written for years. He took refuge again and again in his faith in the written word of the Bible. If what science he had learned did not agree with that, he did not believe it and did not want to know."
So a liberal killed the Christian liberal star, and since 1925, it has been unfashionable, to say the least, for liberal commentators to sound preachy. To the contrary, liberals are supposed to be the voice of reason, pragmatism and enlightenment; they oppose ignorance, prejudice and the madness of the masses. Liberalism, as the late Daniel Bell suggested, is the ideology of no ideology. It is the practical application of technical knowledge to situations in need of repair. Which is damn hard to get excited about.
Obama's new health care law, especially, one could argue, in providing equitable access to birth control to the poorest among us, keeps watch over the sick, the meek and the mild. It's the kind of law most beloved of the God of the New Testament, the God of mercy, compassion and peace. It's hard to imagine a more ideal time to make the religious case for liberal causes, but I worry that liberal Democrats have forgotten how to do that.
John Stoehr is a lecturer in political science at Yale and a frequent contributor to the American Prospect, the New Statesman, Reuters Opinion and the New York Daily News.
 
Libertarians are the only party which must have only secular members. You can't be christian and libertarian. It's your duty for god first if you believe in christ bullshit. You're lying to god or lying to your party if you're christian.
 
Libertarians are the only party which must have only secular members. You can't be christian and libertarian. It's your duty for god first if you believe in christ bullshit. You're lying to god or lying to your party if you're christian.

Yeah, I hate when religious people vote the same way I do.
 
Libertarians are the only party which must have only secular members. You can't be christian and libertarian. It's your duty for god first if you believe in christ bullshit. You're lying to god or lying to your party if you're christian.

Kidding, right?
 
He is just trolling because the word 'liberal' offends him. It has become synonymous with 'Enemy of America' in modern vernacular. The first 14 words of the Declaration of Independence are as liberal as liberal gets.

Your response is laden with partisan political rhetoric.
 
Kidding, right?

As a christian, your duty is to spread the good news about the lord. This world isn't important, the next is. Your saved soul is worth more than someone else's individual rights. Santorum was the only real republican. That's why I hated him and made an April fools thread about him. He would violate the constitution if it served the lord. The first ammendment would be the first to go. He said explicitly he has no duty to separate his views (god) and be impartial with his wicked deeds. The bible is pro-torture and he had no plans to stop it. Humanity will never progress until all organized religions go away, that includes liberal, secular and religious, garbage we all MUST do feel good living. The issue boils down to, on both sides, as Bucky put it, being your brother's keeper. If I don't harm you or the planet, leave me alone. The arguement something is possible, isn't a valid arguement. Like a gun is too dangerous. The gun isn't dangerous, I am, if I get pissed enough. Humans are smart enough, if guns are banned for example, we will get them anyway or use some other method to fuck you up. The only way to stop humans is to put them in groups so their combined intellect brings out their combined stupidity and savagery instead. When we join packs, we attack like dogs.
 
As a christian, your duty is to spread the good news about the lord. This world isn't important, the next is. Your saved soul is worth more than someone else's individual rights. Santorum was the only real republican. That's why I hated him and made an April fools thread about him. He would violate the constitution if it served the lord. The first ammendment would be the first to go. He said explicitly he has no duty to separate his views (god) and be impartial with his wicked deeds. The bible is pro-torture and he had no plans to stop it. Humanity will never progress until all organized religions go away, that includes liberal, secular and religious, garbage we all MUST do feel good living. The issue boils down to, on both sides, as Bucky put it, being your brother's keeper. If I don't harm you or the planet, leave me alone. The arguement something is possible, isn't a valid arguement. Like a gun is too dangerous. The gun isn't dangerous, I am, if I get pissed enough. Humans are smart enough, if guns are banned for example, we will get them anyway or use some other method to fuck you up. The only way to stop humans is to put them in groups so their combined intellect brings out their combined stupidity and savagery instead. When we join packs, we attack like dogs.

Christianity doesn't teach force.
Mathew 18 said:
]If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.

But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.


Bible teaches to love nonbelievers (or in terms of the Bible: pagans and tax collectors)

By the way, the Republican party was formed by James Madison and Thomas Jefferson, primarily on the platforms of defending the Constitution, opposition to a national bank (in defiance of then president Washington and Sec of Tres Hamilton), and opposition to the Jay Treaty. So, no, Santorum is not a "true Republican," he is a war mongering religious nutcase. Actually, he is a neocon.
 
Christianity doesn't teach force.

Turn the other cheek has to do with the jewish tradition if your head is pointing to the left, your tormentor can back hand you with his right on your cheek. It was meant as an insult. If you turn your head to the right, your tormentor must punch you instead, or palm slap which is considered the same as a punch. Under jewish law, it was similar to stand your ground and you can respond with deadly force. So Jesus was promoting you to force your tormentor to escalate the confrontation.

Try googling, " Bible" or "Jesus" and torture. You won't find one thing saying it's bad or not to do it. You'll find the New Testament writers actually encourage it against your enemies as a method of submission.
 
Turn the other cheek has to do with the jewish tradition if your head is pointing to the left, your tormentor can back hand you with his right on your cheek. It was meant as an insult. If you turn your head to the right, your tormentor must punch you instead, or palm slap which is considered the same as a punch. Under jewish law, it was similar to stand your ground and you can respond with deadly force. So Jesus was promoting you to force your tormentor to escalate the confrontation.

Try googling, " Bible" or "Jesus" and torture. You won't find one thing saying it's bad or not to do it. You'll find the New Testament writers actually encourage it against your enemies as a method of submission.

Thank you for the google suggestion. You helped my case in proving your libertarian comment to be false.

The Bible acknowledges the existence of torture. In a parable, Jesus spoke of a servant who was “turned . . . over to the jailers to be tortured” (Matthew 18:34). Such an allusion seems to indicate that the use of torture was common in the prisons of the day. The Bible also records the stories of many victims of torture: Jesus, Paul and Silas (Acts 16), the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 20:2; 38:6), and other unnamed saints (Hebrews 11:35). In every case, we see that the godly are the victims of torture, never the perpetrators of torture.

As individuals, we are not to seek revenge. Vengeance belongs only to the Lord (Psalm 94:1; Romans 12:19). Also, as individuals we have no authority to punish society’s wrongdoers or to extract confessions from them. Therefore, as individuals, we can have no license to torture; inflicting intense pain on others is wrong. God alone is able to mete out punishment with perfect justice, and it is His prerogative to make His punishment painful. Demons are aware of a future time of “torture” for themselves (Matthew 8:29). Hell is a place of “torment” and intense agony (Matthew 13:42; Luke 16:23-24). During the Tribulation, torment will be part of the plagues upon evildoers (Revelation 9:5; 11:10). In any of His judgments, God is holy and perfectly fair (Psalm 119:137).

Now, stop making me look up scripture and bible references. I can only handle so much insanity in one sitting.
 
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