Organic Headband 707 ScrOG (400 watt MH/HPS)

[TheNaturalist]

U look like you got everything dialed in. My last grow was a complete failer because of electronic ballast and bad bulb.

Thanks UPNSMOKE! Dont feel bad, although these plants growth has gone really smooth my original two clone died due to equipment failure also. Their very first night in my tent the exhaust ducting fell down into the tent and just recirculated the hot air from my cool tube in the tent all night long. In the morning the clones were completely limp from the heat, died a few days later.... it was quite sad.

 

[TheDuder]

I use metal clamps similar to a hose clamp to secure ducting. No falling off! Also, gorilla tape is worth the money!

 

[TheNaturalist]

I use metal clamps similar to a hose clamp to secure ducting. No falling off! Also, gorilla tape is worth the money!

That is a good idea! My problem is that my carbon filter, fan, and cool tube are all 6 inches, so I used 6 inch ducting but my tent only has a 4 inch exhaust. So i got a 6 to 4 inch conversion and stick that into the output, then duct taped the hell out of it. The first night it only had a little duct tape holding it in place... now it has a whole roll haha sturdy as a rock.

Heres a picture I took before the first night, the exaust is about to fall in the picture! Should have seen it coming...

 

[TheDuder]

Would rehanging your carbon filter to be parallel with the light be too hard a task? It would allow you to make a large "C" shape with the duct rather than requiring 3 90 degree turns before reaching the light. Coming out from the light: You have a lot of 90 degree turns. You could cut a hole in the tent directly across from the cool-tube exhaust and use gorilla tape and a 2 dollar flange to make it completely straight, short ducting. The gorilla tape could be used to seal the previous exhaust vent or repair the cut in the tent, should you choose to remove the new flange.

90 degree turns are the ultimate enemy of efficient ventilation. Some are inevitable, but the ducting should be planned to avoid them. Any necessary turns should be gradual. I try to imagine the ducting as water slides with a person going through them. If you wouldn't flow easily through your ducting, neither will the air. Here is a picture of my set-up.

 

[TheNaturalist]

Yeah my ducting is quite sloppy... after this grow I will be moving and putting it all back together with more equipment so I will work to get rid of all those twists and turns. My concern is how to set up with minimal turns and retain the ability to adjust the hight of my lights as my plants grow. Because leaving slack in the ducting so that the light can move is what causes a lot of the twists and turns in my ducting... When it is tight there are only 4 turns but when it is loose there are many more unfortunately. My new setup will be perpetual with one mother and veg room plus two flowering rooms. So since each room will only deal with one stage of growth the lights wont have to have the ability to be adjusted so radically as they do now. Luckily I have a moster for a fan this time anyways haha.

I spend a long time looking at my flowers each day and I noticed some odd things I was hoping someone could help me figure out.


Here is the first one, you might have to open up the larger image to see it but there is a smooth growth with no THC on it and two brown hairs coming out of the tip. It sorta looks like a seed, but I hope its not... The plants havnt hermied at all and no male plants have ever been around them so idk how they would have gotten pollinated but who knows.



Ok next up is this one, its a shinny part on the nug. It almost looks like one of the parts of the nug swelled up and split open to show its insides. Very odd... I dont think this is a seed but i have no idea what it is!



This last one isnt anything odd or bad. I was just hangin out in my tent right when the lights went out so I took the opportunity to snap a picture of the plants without the HPS messing up the colors and making everything look yellow. So here you are, my plants in their true colors:

 

[TheDuder]

I know this defeats the purpose of having a cool-tube; but, You could remove the ducting altogether and leave nothing but the carbon filter and fan. it would suck air much more efficiently from the entire room. I would bet 100 bucks the temperature would be the same or a couple degrees lower if your did. Your combo looks 350cfm or better. You could simply leave a 4 inch or better hole near the bottom of the tent as a passive intake. My large room uses this method. Here is a pic of my intake holes in the poly wall. Just an idea.

-Dude

 

[TheNaturalist]

Thanks for the advice duder but i think i want to stick with the cool tube. I like having the ability to put the light really close to the tops of my plants without burning them. I will definitely be sure to get rid of all those 90 angles in my ducting though!

Its been a while since iv been on so i think its time for a update! Not much has happened with my flowering plants, they are in their 7th week of flower though and looking good. Heres a few shots:



They will be done in 2 or 3 weeks so I have begun preparing the next round! I have never made a clone before... so before i risk losing my expensive genetics I decided to do a test round with my free seeds. This way I can get good at cloning with some risk free practice. On 4/20 I started germinating a fem Jack (Jack Herer x Edd Rosenthal), a fem MKage (MK Ultra x SAGE), a fem Blue Lemon Thai, and 4 bag seed strawberry coughs. Then today when I checked on them all had germinated except for the Strawberry Coughs. Im thinking they probably wont germ since they were pretty poorly cared for so I added another fem TNT Kush and fem Cluster to the germinating box (cardboard box on top of cable box) to replace them. Anyways, heres some pics of the seeds and then them in their cups in my new clone dome under a T5:

Germinated Seeds:


Planted Under T5:


These new seeds will veg in my current setup, but in a month when they are ready to flower I will be upgrading my grow to a perpetual setup and they will go under a new 600 watt HPS in my new flower room. Then ill start another round of seeds and in a month put them into Flower Room #2. This way I can continuously use my veg room and harvest one flower room each month. Cant wait for that!

 

[missnu]

Yeah it's a lot of money but that's part of the game. Sure I could have bought clones for $10 a pop, but when you break it down these seeds cost me less then $10 each and im getting the exact genetics that I want without the infestations that come with addin clones to your grow all the time.

My tent is a GL80 it's 2.5x2.5x6, that filter hardly fits in there haha it's funny though my fan and filter were on sale for $150 so they were actually cheaper then buying a smaller set.

I super super wish i had seen those when I was buying mine...I am thinking of finding a way to get one for my flower tent at least...that is a good deal...A really good deal...I paid almost that for a good filter combo'ed with a really shitty plain old 6 in inline fan...when the filter says right on it that it works best with like what? like 400 cfm or better...but they sell it with a 160 cfm fan...why? why not let people know...they would spend a little more with you...but then again if you don't tell them they spend money twice...not me...you leave something like that out and I buy the right one somewhere else...

 

[missnu]

Thanks for the advice duder but i think i want to stick with the cool tube. I like having the ability to put the light really close to the tops of my plants without burning them. I will definitely be sure to get rid of all those 90 angles in my ducting though!

Its been a while since iv been on so i think its time for a update! Not much has happened with my flowering plants, they are in their 7th week of flower though and looking good. Heres a few shots:

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They will be done in 2 or 3 weeks so I have begun preparing the next round! I have never made a clone before... so before i risk losing my expensive genetics I decided to do a test round with my free seeds. This way I can get good at cloning with some risk free practice. On 4/20 I started germinating a fem Jack (Jack Herer x Edd Rosenthal), a fem MKage (MK Ultra x SAGE), a fem Blue Lemon Thai, and 4 bag seed strawberry coughs. Then today when I checked on them all had germinated except for the Strawberry Coughs. Im thinking they probably wont germ since they were pretty poorly cared for so I added another fem TNT Kush and fem Cluster to the germinating box (cardboard box on top of cable box) to replace them. Anyways, heres some pics of the seeds and then them in their cups in my new clone dome under a T5:

Germinated Seeds:
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Planted Under T5:
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These new seeds will veg in my current setup, but in a month when they are ready to flower I will be upgrading my grow to a perpetual setup and they will go under a new 600 watt HPS in my new flower room. Then ill start another round of seeds and in a month put them into Flower Room #2. This way I can continuously use my veg room and harvest one flower room each month. Cant wait for that!

No reason to worry about cloning...I mean you should try it but even if the clones all shrivel and die the original plant isn't harmed...the place you removed a piece from will regrow in a couple days and you won't even be able to tell where you took it from..sometimes i use the tiny wimpy half buried branches at the very very bottom of the plant...even though they are small they almost always grow roots...ya know why? As the closest branches to the soil they already have the most rooting hormone and the ability to root within them...waiting to be buried...if taking a top clone take a large one...but since you are new and it is easier and leaves the donor plant better than she was before, with no need to wait before flowering...I always end up just plucking the little wispy branches off a little bit into flower..., anyway you should give it a shot...it is awesome to turn 1 of those seeds into a whole grow's worth of plants...with little to no extra cost. just google it...it is easier than people make it sound...

 

[TheNaturalist]

Thanks for the encouraging words on cloning missnu! Im sure it will go alright, ill keep you filled in on my experience here!

About the fan filter combo, yeah this website has the best deal that i have ever seen on them. Its even way cheaper then anything on Amazon which is crazy. Plus, on top of that the combos come with free shipping! When I bought mine they only had the 400 CFM 6 inch combo for $150, but i went to get you the link and noticed that they have a 165 CFM 4 inch combo for $113 now too. Heres their combo page with both of the offers:

http://www.thehydrosource.com/Fan_Filter_Bundles?zenid=r1ufl6dl236mk60fnhidelq8v5

Thats a shame about the company who sold you a 400 CFM minimum filter with a much smaller fan. Its sad but it think most people selling grow equipment are just here to make a quick buck :/

 

[TheDuder]

Looking great bro! Can't tell with the yellow glow how long they've got. How long do you think, a few weeks more?

 

[TheNaturalist]

Thanks! They are 6 and a half weeks into flower so im thinking about 2 weeks until harvest. Its finally going to happen! haha I borrowed a little 30X microscope from a friend to look and see when they are just ready. Then they will hang dry in my tent and after that my seedlings will go into the tent for veg! Hopefully my seedlings dont over grow this clone dome in the next couple weeks before my tent clears up!

the three that germed 2 days ago spouted today! and another 4 germinated went into cups today:

 

[TheDuder]

Consider: When trichomes are cloudy they are at their peak THC level. The bibles rightly say to harvest then. When the thrichomes turn amber, they have begun to degrade from THC and into CBD. You'd have to watch a video on Youtube or something for a better explanation as to why that chemical is the most important as far as cancer prevention and cancer cell death. It is very interesting stuff! Anyways, if you are into real, natural, powerful cancer prevention and more, I allow a few buds to remain behind on cut day so they can degrade to the more essential CBD. The high is different but, with my quality, I am still as stoned the ever. The difference is they have more CBD. If none of this makes sense, there is a great video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iksA-DD3990

-Dude'r

 

[TheNaturalist]

Wow thats a really interesting movie! I have to admit I just skimmed it for about 20 min but I will definitely come back and finish it when I have some time. Curing cancer isnt my biggest concern as much as getting people really good and high haha but to do both wouldnt be a bad thing. My plan was to wait until just when the trichomes start turing amber and then cut them down, that way I know that they have reached their full potential of milky trichs. This is my first harvest though so i dont have much to back that plan with, how does it sound?

 

[TheDuder]

I have heard that when about 85% of the trichomes are cloudy to cut it and the remaining will mature during drying and curing. Though, I also go by how the hairs look too. They just look ready. I'd say doing it until you start to see the first amber would be good for your first time around. That will be damn close.

 

[TheNaturalist]

Ok cool, ill have to keep a really close eye on them to catch it ASAP. Since 707 Headband is a clone only strain there is no breeder info on it, so I cant find a exact flowering time. But im guessing 8-9 so as soon as the 8th week starts ill be checking them every day. Do you know if all the bids mature at the same rate? the reason I ask is because it will be really hard to see trich color under that HPS so im thinking I should just cut off a piece of one of the tiny buds down by the screen each day and then analyze them under a good light.

 

[TheNaturalist]

Today I woke up to a nice surprise, purple nugs



I guess Ill see how this turns out, if the purple spreads it will certainly make for some nice bag appeal!

 

[F.M.I.L.Y]

Very nice set up and garden!!! Sub'd up.

FM

 

[TheNaturalist]

Thanks FM, welcome!

So today my good friend who is also a photographer came over and shot some REALLY nice pictures of my buds, ill ask him to post them here in my grow journal im pretty stoked on them. We also trimmed some sugar leafs from each plant and analyzed them under 30x microscope, I officially have my first amber trichs! So after the light went off I unpluged it from the timer. My plants will remain in darkness until Friday afternoon when we will harvest them!

I feel like this grow has taken years, its so exciting to finally be ready for harvest!

 

[F.M.I.L.Y]

Always exciting to enjoy your fruits of labor. Cant wait to see the pics.