The Worst President In U.S. History.

[medicineman]

Oh yes, our lives are incredibly boring. As a matter of fact we are often hard-pressed to even find anything to do, let alone talk about.

Just for shits and giggles, what makes you think that the reporting of the events occurring during your lifetime are any more accurate than historical accounts? Why would a current (contemporaneous) account necessarily be any more accurate than an historical one?

The Dissident Frogman did an excellent little video on rampant misreporting around the world by some of the biggest news agencies (such as AP).
Like a suppository, only a bit stronger × Comme un suppositoire, mais juste un peu plus fort | the dissident frogman

Well, for one thing, I'm alive and watching the daily news. Not that it is that accurate, but major blunders are hard to hide, although the current news situation would belay that contention. I just figure that historians basically gloss over presidencies to preserve the notion that we are the good guys, and we both know that is a load of crap. Take Nixon for example, I watched the sleazy things that asshole did on a daily basis, things that will never be divulged, example: 100,000+++ citizens on the white house perimiter chanting stop the War and the asshole wouldn't even aknowledge them, keeping the war going for four more years after promising to end it.
This stuff never makes the history books. You have to go outside the school curriculums and read biographys to find this stuff, the average citizen never knows. I realize that past presidents have made blunders and maybe even approaching the callaousness of Dubya, But I'm watching that asshole screw the world on a daily basis.
BTW have you guys been watching the John Adams special on HBO, interesting stuff. They should do one for every president. You have to wonder how accurate they are but I suppose they try and stick to the facts as they find them.

 

[LoudBlunts]

Carter may not rank up in the top 25 as far as accomplishments, But he did no major harm either. I don't believe he was a good president, but not that bad either. On a scale of 1-10 a 3 would suffice. On the same scale, I'd rate dubya a minus 10

med you know i take a liking to you right?

i honestly look forward to your posts/replies and responses

 

[medicineman]

med you know i take a liking to you right?

i honestly look forward to your posts/replies and responses

Thank you, I try. Seems there is a large shortage of common sense in these here parts though.

 

[VTXDave]

Carter may not rank up in the top 25 as far as accomplishments, But he did no major harm either. I don't believe he was a good president, but not that bad either. On a scale of 1-10 a 3 would suffice. On the same scale, I'd rate dubya a minus 10

You do know that he authorized the provisioning of weapons and monetary funding (via the CIA) of the Mujahadeen 6 months prior to the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, yes? Thanks to Carter, Bin Laden et. al. were quite successful.

CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention....

I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.

I often wonder it OBL would've gone on to form Al Qaeda had we not funded him and provided weapons during the Carter years.

 

[LoudBlunts]

i wouldnt have it any other way tho.


makes our job more fun. if not we'd be bored and picking at ourselves....lol!

 

[medicineman]

You do know that he authorized the provisioning of weapons and monetary funding (via the CIA) of the Mujahadeen 6 months prior to the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan, yes? Thanks to Carter, Bin Laden et. al. were quite successful.

CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

I often wonder it OBL would've gone on to form Al Qaeda had we not funded him and provided weapons during the Carter years.

The gist of why Bin-Laden came after the US was our intervention in the middle east, The reason he struck the twin towers was that they were the financial center of the country. Other than the pentagon and the white house, they were the prime targets. I would have thought arming the mujahadeen would be seen as a good thing by the right, you know, stopping those commie invaders. It just backfired because of our imperialistic foriegn policy. If you feed a snake, it does not mean he wont bite you. That's the trouble with the US government, they are an inept bunch of snake handlers, and are always getting bit.

 

[ViRedd]

And today we have Carter catering to Hamas ... against the wishes of the State Department. Demobats never cease to amaze me.

Vi

 

[bongspit]

George Mason University’s History News Network reports, the historians have a different measure. They want to stack him up against his forty-two predecessors as the nation’s chief executive. Among historians, there is no doubt into which echelon he falls–his competitors are Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and Franklin Pierce, the worst of the presidential worst. But does Bush actually come in dead last?
Yes. History News Network’s poll of 109 historians found that 61 percent of them rank Bush as “worst ever” among U.S. presidents. Bush’s key competition comes from Buchanan, apparently, and a further 2 percent of the sample puts Bush right behind Buchanan as runner-up for “worst ever.” 96 percent of the respondents place the Bush presidency in the bottom tier of American presidencies. And was his presidency (it’s a bit wishful to speak of his presidency in the past tense–after all there are several more months left to go) a success or failure? On that score the numbers are still more resounding: 98 percent label it a “failure.”

 

[kronicsmurf]

Hell i'm 46 and have yet to see what a good president is. is there such a thing as a real president? seriously i haven't seen one do anything worthwhile. hmm lets see the veitnam war the 70's gas crisis the 80's well being stoned all the time i only remember that my familily was struggling to make ends meet so the economy was fucked. the 90's was bush sr. little war called desert storm in which he failed to remove hussein so little bush had to find an excuse to do his daddies job and now its still going on and i'm wondering why?

 

[medicineman]

And today we have Carter catering to Hamas ... against the wishes of the State Department. Demobats never cease to amaze me.

Vi

Whether you approve or not, someone has to speak to these people. The state department is an extension of the Bush Idiocy. You and Bush's Just Bomb them philosophy has put this country into Bankruptcy. Talking before bombing seems like the intelligent thing to do. Maybe we could actually avoid Bombing.

 

[Seamaiden]

MM, did you watch the Dissident Frogman video? If not, please do, it's actually quite funny.

Maybe someone has to speak with these people (Hammas), however, talking may not do much good. You have to admit that Israel has tried to extend the olive branch, even having armed conflicts with their own citizens in order to allow Pallies to reclaim some of "their" land back. For Carter, however, to be the point-man is ludicrous given the information Dave provided. It's as ludicrous as Al Gore being given a fucking Nobel prize for a film that was determined by UK courts to be scientifically invalid.

 

[medicineman]

MM, did you watch the Dissident Frogman video? If not, please do, it's actually quite funny.

Maybe someone has to speak with these people (Hammas), however, talking may not do much good. You have to admit that Israel has tried to extend the olive branch, even having armed conflicts with their own citizens in order to allow Pallies to reclaim some of "their" land back. For Carter, however, to be the point-man is ludicrous given the information Dave provided. It's as ludicrous as Al Gore being given a fucking Nobel prize for a film that was determined by UK courts to be scientifically invalid.

Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagrere. I believe the Al Gore story, and don't believe he did those things for any other reason than for the good of mankind. If Al Gore would have been elected, (HE was), have you ever wondered how different things would be today? 2-3 hundred thousand Iraqis would be alive, the national debt would be 1/2 of what it is, 4,000++ Americans would still be alive, 30,000++ wounded would have whole bodies, we'd still have all our rights under the constitution and the bill of rights, yeah that was a great choice the supreme court made, we've been Bushwhacked.

 

[Seamaiden]

I see Gore as the other leg of the same beast. He is just as corrupt, though maybe not quite as megalomaniacal, as Bush. Could he have been puppeteered as well or easily as Bush? Probably not, but we were on our way to being attacked because we've already spent years meddling in the affairs of others and trying to be world police.

I could spend time wondering about the past, but it gets me nowhere. I act for the now. There is a lot that Clinton actually began that Bush simply expanded on, and Gore was Clinton's VP, was he not? Google CALEA to get an idea of what I'm talking about.

I think the video is funny, even if you disagree.

 

[bongspit]

I see Gore as the other leg of the same beast. He is just as corrupt, though maybe not quite as megalomaniacal, as Bush. Could he have been puppeteered as well or easily as Bush? Probably not, but we were on our way to being attacked because we've already spent years meddling in the affairs of others and trying to be world police.

I could spend time wondering about the past, but it gets me nowhere. I act for the now. There is a lot that Clinton actually began that Bush simply expanded on, and Gore was Clinton's VP, was he not? Google CALEA to get an idea of what I'm talking about.

I think the video is funny, even if you disagree.

In October 1994, Congress took action to protect public safety and ensure national security by enacting the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA), Pub. L. No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279. The law further defines the existing statutory obligation of telecommunications carriers to assist law enforcement in executing electronic surveillance pursuant to court order or other lawful authorization. The objective of CALEA implementation is to preserve law enforcement's ability to conduct lawfully-authorized electronic surveillance while preserving public safety, the public's right to privacy, and the telecommunications industry's competitiveness...what's your point??

 

[medicineman]

I see Gore as the other leg of the same beast. He is just as corrupt, though maybe not quite as megalomaniacal, as Bush. Could he have been puppeteered as well or easily as Bush? Probably not, but we were on our way to being attacked because we've already spent years meddling in the affairs of others and trying to be world police.

I could spend time wondering about the past, but it gets me nowhere. I act for the now. There is a lot that Clinton actually began that Bush simply expanded on, and Gore was Clinton's VP, was he not? Google CALEA to get an idea of what I'm talking about.

I think the video is funny, even if you disagree.

Hey, I just now watched the video, I thoughgt it rather childish, but I can see a bit of humor in it. Tell me, are you the frogman/frogwoman. Nice weapon there. That would take your head off. My comparable weapon is a 7MM Mag, they say that at a thousand yards, a 7MM mag will explode a head just like JFKs. I have a few prospects in mind, ~LOL~. Oh Yeah, Here's a question for you. Why did JFKs brain go flying out the back of his head if the shot came from the rear? Remember how Jackie climed on the trunk trying to retrieve it.

 

[Seamaiden]

In October 1994, Congress took action to protect public safety and ensure national security by enacting the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA), Pub. L. No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279. The law further defines the existing statutory obligation of telecommunications carriers to assist law enforcement in executing electronic surveillance pursuant to court order or other lawful authorization. The objective of CALEA implementation is to preserve law enforcement's ability to conduct lawfully-authorized electronic surveillance while preserving public safety, the public's right to privacy, and the telecommunications industry's competitiveness...what's your point??

My point is that partisan lines are being drawn, as though this is actually a Democrat vs. Republican fight, when in fact it is not.

CALEA was the fertile soil that was needed to plant the seeds of the Patriot Act (which was not enacted by Bush, it was enacted by Congress, the people who the people voted in). CALEA was a Clinton-era piece of legislation, it was the starting point for LE gaining access to information ostensibly under the guise of doing so legally and with proper oversight.

What has happened since then?

 

[Seamaiden]

Hey, I just now watched the video, I thoughgt it rather childish, but I can see a bit of humor in it. Tell me, are you the frogman/frogwoman. Nice weapon there. That would take your head off. My comparable weapon is a 7MM Mag, they say that at a thousand yards, a 7MM mag will explode a head just like JFKs. I have a few prospects in mind, ~LOL~. Oh Yeah, Here's a question for you. Why did JFKs brain go flying out the back of his head if the shot came from the rear? Remember how Jackie climed on the trunk trying to retrieve it.

Oh... ok, the Kennedy thing hits way too close to home, I'm not going there.

I am not the Frogman. I saw a great deal of humor in the video, especially because I happened to see the news stories that showed many of the same "victims", over and over again. It challenges what has become the new dogma, and does a good job of it. It well-illustrates the pisspoor reporting produced by some of the largest news reporting agencies, such as Associated Press for example. I happen to think that is very important, because I believe that news agencies should be reporting actual factual news. I think they should be checking veracity and spelling. I think that they should be held to a standard because they are largely the disseminators of information.

 

[bongspit]

My point is that partisan lines are being drawn, as though this is actually a Democrat vs. Republican fight, when in fact it is not.

CALEA was the fertile soil that was needed to plant the seeds of the Patriot Act (which was not enacted by Bush, it was enacted by Congress, the people who the people voted in). CALEA was a Clinton-era piece of legislation, it was the starting point for LE gaining access to information ostensibly under the guise of doing so legally and with proper oversight.

What has happened since then?

soooo, laws passed under clinton were clinton's responsiblity and laws passed under bush are congresses responsiblity...???

 

[VTXDave]

In October 1994, Congress took action to protect public safety and ensure national security by enacting the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA), Pub. L. No. 103-414, 108 Stat. 4279. The law further defines the existing statutory obligation of telecommunications carriers to assist law enforcement in executing electronic surveillance pursuant to court order or other lawful authorization. The objective of CALEA implementation is to preserve law enforcement's ability to conduct lawfully-authorized electronic surveillance while preserving public safety, the public's right to privacy, and the telecommunications industry's competitiveness...what's your point??

I work for a Telco...We had "The Men in Black" physically come here and TELL us that we had to place equipment in our Central Office to allow them access to voice and data communications. If you think your communications through your ISP are secure and private....think again. They are not.

CALEA, Patriot, NAFTA...I don't give a rat's ass who the POTUS is/was, unlike many here that draw lines of party distinction, Seamaiden and I do not. They are all, Dem and Rep alike, nothing but a bunch of thieves, liars, and elitists.

All of Congress, including the Executive branch should be hanged for treason.

 

[medicineman]

I work for a Telco...We had "The Men in Black" physically come here and TELL us that we had to place equipment in our Central Office to allow them access to voice and data communications. If you think your communications through your ISP are secure and private....think again. They are not.

CALEA, Patriot, NAFTA...I don't give a rat's ass who the POTUS is/was, unlike many here that draw lines of party distinction, Seamaiden and I do not. They are all, Dem and Rep alike, nothing but a bunch of thieves, liars, and elitists.

All of Congress, including the Executive branch should be hanged for treason.

Geeze Dave, now we're on the same page. I might let a few congressmen off the hook like for example: Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul are a couple. But the exucitive branch, that whole bunch has to go, including Cheney and Condi. I'd give Powell a break as I figure he probably tried to reason with the neo-cons, but for the most part, they are all scumbags.