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[NoDrama]

show us the witnesses who say that "martin initiated violence", as you claim.

dumbass liar.

Well there is the initial witness accounts, plus Zimm himself and then there is all the evidence that corroborates his story.

 

[Corso312]

when does the trial start? 700 pages of nonsense... this thread feels like the the NBA regular season..wake me up when the playoffs start

 

[budleydoright]

Because a real gentleman always gives his inferior opponent a way out.

Nice, A way out. Too bad someone like you wasn't on the other side of the gun that night.

Zimmerman has a CCW permit, he has been through all the training and passed it.

Proving that he knows how to shoot his gun.

A trained Police Officer? tell ya what, attack a cop, bust his nose and then start smacking his head against the sidewalk and you don't think a cop would fill you full of lead? Guess what justification the cop needs to shoot you? FEAR for his life buddy, any kind of perceived threat, even if you are on your hands and knees slowly crawling toward a cop is justification to put a bullet in your head.

Cops shoot people for far less than a beatdown, would you care to see a few?

This I know, but I also know that is their last resort. It's a pretty regular occurance in my city. I don't believe a cop would have put himself in that position. He would have had the ability to assess the threat level and respond with the appropriate level of force. which if zimmerman used his brain he would have stood down and waited until the police arrived.

Now show me a link where a cop was being beaten by a perp and chose not to shoot? Cops shoot people before they can even get within attacking distance of the officer, they don't wait until they are almost dead before pulling out their firearm and using it.

I can't and I believe they should. but my point is this, if Zimmerman was trained or didn't have the weapon in his pants, he probably would have thought things through a bit. I believe the gun clouded his judgement, emboldend him. And I personally don't want guys like that in my neighborhood. I also believe that there are enough gun laws on the books on both sides. The balance is about is good as it's going to get. gun ownership is typically through attraction, not thrugh promotion.

I'm also not the only one that believes he commited a crime in shooting Martin, he was arrested and charged. It is my understanding that some of the officers wanted to charge him that night as well.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well there is the initial witness accounts, plus Zimm himself and then there is all the evidence that corroborates his story.

so you have absolutely nothing to back up your original unfounded claim. thanks.

 

[NoDrama]

Nice, A way out. Too bad someone like you wasn't on the other side of the gun that night.

If I were getting a beatdown I would have shot him. I don't shoot people who are running away, it looks bad to have the exit wound on the front, unlike Trayvon who if he really were running away would have had. its not like the Medical Examiner and experts aren't going to be able to make a case on the angle of entrance of the wound in the first place, should show that Mr Martin was on top of Zimm. This isn't even CSI stuff yet and the case is already shut.

Proving that he knows how to shoot his gun.

Helping improve shooting proficiency is, generally, the aim of these CCW classes. Also taught in these CCW classes are the correct attitude and outlook crucial for the secure and efficient use of firearms.

I know you aren't trying to make the case that CCW classes have 12 hours of instruction on how to pull the trigger now are you? Do more research instead of coming on here and proving your complete ignorance on the subject.

. He would have had the ability to assess the threat level and respond with the appropriate level of force. which if zimmerman used his brain he would have stood down and waited until the police arrived.

People running away from me do not asses a high threat level, some people are pussies though.

I can't and I believe they should. but my point is this, if Zimmerman was trained or didn't have the weapon in his pants, he probably would have thought things through a bit. I believe the gun clouded his judgement, emboldend him. And I personally don't want guys like that in my neighborhood. I also believe that there are enough gun laws on the books on both sides. The balance is about is good as it's going to get. gun ownership is typically through attraction, not thrugh promotion.

Zimmerman was trained to the highest standard a civilian can attain in the State of Florida, why you keep ignoring this is just plain stupid.

I'm also not the only one that believes he commited a crime in shooting Martin, he was arrested and charged. It is my understanding that some of the officers wanted to charge him that night as well.

LOL now you end with the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad numerum This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right.

 

[NoDrama]

so you have absolutely nothing to back up your original unfounded claim. thanks.

Whatever happened to the "It was the corrupt Sanford police who are hiding all the facts" argument you started out with?

 

[slayerfan]

When 1 white guy kills a black man it's racist. When several black men kill a white guy it's a drug deal gone wrong.

 

[UncleBuck]

Whatever happened to the "It was the corrupt Sanford police who are hiding all the facts" argument you started out with?

i still harbor plenty of suspicions about what happened that night, about the wolfinger "conflict of interest", about wolfinger leaving his house late on a sunday to cut him loose, about papa zimmerman, supreme court magistrate, living in the next town over.

but we've got some actual evidence now to bicker about.

 

[WindyCityToker]

When 1 white guy kills a black man it's racist. When several black men kill a white guy it's a drug deal gone wrong.

What he said

 

[NoDrama]

i still harbor plenty of suspicions about what happened that night, about the wolfinger "conflict of interest", about wolfinger leaving his house late on a sunday to cut him loose, about papa zimmerman, supreme court magistrate, living in the next town over.

but we've got some actual evidence now to bicker about.

You have no evidence.

 

[Corso312]

zimmerman is not white..we do not claim that douchebag..i speak for the whites on this and it is annoying that the media is calling this guy white.....and if zimms old man was not a retired judge..that bitch is arrested at the scene.

 

[UncleBuck]

You have no evidence.

lol, no one has any evidence. right.

 

[NoDrama]

zimmerman is not white..we do not claim that douchebag..i speak for the whites on this and it is annoying that the media is calling this guy white.....and if zimms old man was not a retired judge..that bitch is arrested at the scene.

You think Police in one state give a rats ass if your daddy was a small time judge in another state? At all?

 

[NoDrama]

lol, no one has any evidence. right.

None that is going to put Zimm away. He walks.

 

[Red1966]

if he was just observing, from a distance, like a biologist observing nature, not disturbing... he would've observed marting go home... but no. he already knew this kid was up to no good... probably high... walking around with shit in his waistband.... he had to do something..... there's no self defense here... the claim is just absurd....

Illogical, you could also say that if Martin had just continued to where he was going (not his home, by the way), instead of returning to confront Zimmerman, none of this would have happened.

 

[UncleBuck]

You think Police in one state give a rats ass if your daddy was a small time judge in another state? At all?

yep, ties between members of the law enforcement community don't exist at all. especially when you're trying to get your son on the force.

nope, no ties at all.

 

[UncleBuck]

Illogical, you could also say that if Martin had just continued to where he was going (not his home, by the way), instead of returning to confront Zimmerman, none of this would have happened.

you have no evidence that martin "returned to confront zimmerman". why would he? he ran away. his path home was blocked off. in all likelihood it's the other way around. hence martin asking "why are you following me?" before zimm shoots him to death.

 

[Red1966]

Listen, I think he should be in jail and facing full charges and punished harshly. He was clearly told not to pursue and even if it was self defense why not hit him with the gun instead of shooting? BUT, would anyone really care if a black dude shot him? Fuck no. And it sure wouldn't be in the news EVERY night. I live in Chicago, that shit happens every 15 minutes.

"We don't need you to do that" really isn't what you guys claim it to be.

 

[budleydoright]

LOL now you end with the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad numerum This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it's true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn't necessarily make it true or right.

I'm going to give the police the benefit of the doubt on this one and believe they actually have enough evidence to charge him.

Again, there are facts established. Z shot M dead. Now they have to sort out the details as to if it was a criminal act or not. I'm of the opinion that it is. I'm not trying to prove it. I'm just enjoying the dialog and like throwing my .02 in.

Plus, I like having dialog with people I don't agree with. I'm not so closed minded to the possibility that I could walk away with something out of it.

 

[Corso312]

You think Police in one state give a rats ass if your daddy was a small time judge in another state? At all?

that small tie judge had the pull to get the lazy d.a.'s ass out of bed in the middle of the night on a sunday...and the d.a. trumps the police...so uhh yeah