Whats your opinion on immigration??

UncleBuck

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OREGON: A 2007 study by the Oregon Center for Public Policy estimated that unauthorized immigrants in Oregon pay state income, excise, and property taxes, as well as federal Social Security and Medicare taxes, which “total about $134 million to $187 million annually.” In addition, “taxes paid by Oregon employers on behalf of undocumented workers total about $97 million to $136 million annually.” As the report goes on to note, unauthorized workers are ineligible for the Oregon Health Plan, food stamps, and temporary cash assistance.
 

UncleBuck

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TEXAS: A 2006 study by the Texas State Comptroller found that “the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.”
 

UncleBuck

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VIRGINIA: A 2008 study by The Commonwealth Institute found that unauthorized immigrants in Virginia “provide critical labor to certain industries, including construction, manufacturing, and leisure and hospitality, and the $2.6 billion to $3.1 billion in income earned by this group is used to purchase goods and services in the Commonwealth. Furthermore, the taxes paid by the undocumented population total between $260 million and $311 million. When the payroll taxes of employers of undocumented immigrants working on the books are considered, these numbers increase to between $379 million and $453 million.”
 

abandonconflict

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At the end of the day, most stereo types stem from truth. But all these things that I talked about werent stereotypes, they are things that I see everyday around me.
I don't like the double standard here. You can spew your hatred of hispanic people living in the US because you have a fiance that is hispanic and you're black and native American. You talk about statistics and you wish to convince someone of something about your views. You have no idea how all these "free trade agreements" have made "America's backyard" so poor and how our drug war does nothing except export violence to Latin America. Implementing protectionist measures worked well to free us from European mercantilism late in the 19th century. Mckinley imposed tarifs on many imports, driving up the cost of imported goods, therefore increasing demand for domestic goods. The revenue from the tarifs was then used to manufacture US goods more efficiently. One of the keys to a strong economy (that the US must have forgotten) is to always export more than you import.

In the end, it is going to be poor Americans trying to move south for a better life. Brazil has implemented protectionist measures against US mercantilism and the already explosive growth there has kicked into high gear. The rest of the continent has removed our puppet right wing governments with the exception of Chile and Colombia. Get an idea of what is going on and why, you can't see the forest from the trees. We make massive profits in Latin American markets because they cannot compete with how cheap our products from international streamlined corporations can undercut their products made at home. When we put a walwart in a town in Mexico, a million dollars a week leaves that town headed to the US. That walmart pushes cheaper goods than the local stores who in turn fail to compete. This only hurts the middle class. Our corporations operate with impunity in Latin American countries. Monsanto has removed over 20% of the Amazon rainforest.

Latin America as a nearly united whole, expressed concern to Obama over these trade policies in the recent Summit of the Americas. I bet all you knew about it was that there was a prostitution scandal. What you probably didn't know, is that they are sick of our shit. It is colonialism same as what has been going down in Africa and it is too bad that Africa can't do the same as Latin America and kick the west out. How do you feel about American women wearing blood diamonds? Did you think that the world was divided into a first world and a third world because all the third world peoples are inferior? No, it is that way because the west dominates them all.

The really odd part in all of it is that when illegal immigrants come here, they actually contribute to society. They work hard for low wages, they pay income taxes but do not file returns, they pay property and sales taxes but cannot use the services associated with those monies because they cannot verify identity, and last but not least, if they require legal punishment for crimes, we don't have to spend much prosecuting them, we just deport them.

This leaves you with one valid complaint, that they don't assimilate and adopt your culture. FUCK YOUR CULTURE!
 

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Corso312

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I don't like the double standard here. You can spew your hatred of hispanic people living in the US because you have a fiance that is hispanic and you're black and native American. You talk about statistics and you wish to convince someone of something about your views. You have no idea how all these "free trade agreements" have made "America's backyard" so poor and how our drug war does nothing except export violence to Latin America. Implementing protectionist measures worked well to free us from European mercantilism late in the 19th century. Mckinley imposed tarifs on many imports, driving up the cost of imported goods, therefore increasing demand for domestic goods. The revenue from the tarifs was then used to manufacture US goods more efficiently. One of the keys to a strong economy (that the US must have forgotten) is to always export more than you import.

In the end, it is going to be poor Americans trying to move south for a better life. Brazil has implemented protectionist measures against US mercantilism and the already explosive growth there has kicked into high gear. The rest of the continent has removed our puppet right wing governments with the exception of Chile and Colombia. Get an idea of what is going on and why, you can't see the forest from the trees. We make massive profits in Latin American markets because they cannot compete with how cheap our products from international streamlined corporations can undercut their products made at home. When we put a walwart in a town in Mexico, a million dollars a week leaves that town headed to the US. That walmart pushes cheaper goods than the local stores who in turn fail to compete. This only hurts the middle class. Our corporations operate with impunity in Latin American countries. Monsanto has removed over 20% of the Amazon rainforest.

Latin America as a nearly united whole, expressed concern to Obama over these trade policies in the recent Summit of the Americas. I bet all you knew about it was that there was a prostitution scandal. What you probably didn't know, is that they are sick of our shit. It is colonialism same as what has been going down in Africa and it is too bad that Africa can't do the same as Latin America and kick the west out. How do you feel about American women wearing blood diamonds? Did you think that the world was divided into a first world and a third world because all the third world peoples are inferior? No, it is that way because the west dominates them all.

The really odd part in all of it is that when illegal immigrants come here, they actually contribute to society. They work hard for low wages, they pay income taxes but do not file returns, they pay property and sales taxes but cannot use the services associated with those monies because they cannot verify identity, and last but not least, if they require legal punishment for crimes, we don't have to spend much prosecuting them, we just deport them.

This leaves you with one valid complaint, that they don't assimilate and adopt your culture. FUCK YOUR CULTURE!



I agree with most of this, but it is not as one sided as you make it sound... illegal immigrants drive the wages down..that can not be disputed..but illegals do use many services..they are instructed by employers to go to the ER when injured.or free health clinics...those bills get thrown in tax payers laps..they do use the school systems and public transportation and many other services..majority of them get paid in cash and pay zero taxes..they prefer to spend their money in their own neighborhoods and send some back to mexico or wherever they hail from....I do not have a problem with giving amnesty tot he ones that are here and contributing but throw the criminals out..and the biggest problem is when they deport an illegal they come right back in 3 days..there needs to be a real punishment for entering illegally and continually doing so.
 

Kaendar

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Buck, why you wasted your time researching that bullshit is beyond me. Like I told Heph, the jobs and the numbers and shit dont mean anything to me. What you didnt research is how much of OUR tax money they use on welfare and other government assistance.
 

Kaendar

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I agree with most of this, but it is not as one sided as you make it sound... illegal immigrants drive the wages down..that can not be disputed..but illegals do use many services..they are instructed by employers to go to the ER when injured.or free health clinics...those bills get thrown in tax payers laps..they do use the school systems and public transportation and many other services..majority of them get paid in cash and pay zero taxes..they prefer to spend their money in their own neighborhoods and send some back to mexico or wherever they hail from....I do not have a problem with giving amnesty tot he ones that are here and contributing but throw the criminals out..and the biggest problem is when they deport an illegal they come right back in 3 days..there needs to be a real punishment for entering illegally and continually doing so.
Fuck yea dude.. let me zero in on ur free health clinics. Here on every corner there is one of those free health clinics (yea its the ghetto). Every single one of those is jam packed everyday with hispanic women with about 6 kids apiece. Can you really call me racist for seeing a problem in that??? If you guys dont believe me, im literally willing to go down to the nearest one (about 80 yards from my house) and film a quick video of the inside of it with my phone. Literally packed with non english speaking ppl that I can only assume are immigrants, getting healthcare paid for by my tax money. I wouldnt mind if it was a temporary thing, but these ppl have no plans on getting there papers and getting a legitimate job with health benefits..
 

UncleBuck

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Fuck yea dude.. let me zero in on ur free health clinics. Here on every corner there is one of those free health clinics (yea its the ghetto). Every single one of those is jam packed everyday with hispanic women with about 6 kids apiece. Can you really call me racist for seeing a problem in that??? If you guys dont believe me, im literally willing to go down to the nearest one (about 80 yards from my house) and film a quick video of the inside of it with my phone. Literally packed with non english speaking ppl that I can only assume are immigrants, getting healthcare paid for by my tax money. I wouldnt mind if it was a temporary thing, but these ppl have no plans on getting there papers and getting a legitimate job with health benefits..
i go to those clinics and they are not free. they charge on a sliding scale.
 

abandonconflict

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Fuck yea dude.. let me zero in on ur free health clinics. Here on every corner there is one of those free health clinics (yea its the ghetto). Every single one of those is jam packed everyday with hispanic women with about 6 kids apiece. Can you really call me racist for seeing a problem in that??? If you guys dont believe me, im literally willing to go down to the nearest one (about 80 yards from my house) and film a quick video of the inside of it with my phone. Literally packed with non english speaking ppl that I can only assume are immigrants, getting healthcare paid for by my tax money. I wouldnt mind if it was a temporary thing, but these ppl have no plans on getting there papers and getting a legitimate job with health benefits..
Learn to speak Spanish then.
 

DelSlow

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Fuck yea dude.. let me zero in on ur free health clinics. Here on every corner there is one of those free health clinics (yea its the ghetto). Every single one of those is jam packed everyday with hispanic women with about 6 kids apiece. Can you really call me racist for seeing a problem in that??? If you guys dont believe me, im literally willing to go down to the nearest one (about 80 yards from my house) and film a quick video of the inside of it with my phone. Literally packed with non english speaking ppl that I can only assume are immigrants, getting healthcare paid for by my tax money. I wouldnt mind if it was a temporary thing, but these ppl have no plans on getting there papers and getting a legitimate job with health benefits..
Go to a black neighborhood and I bet you'll see a bunch of black people at the clinic.

Do you have a problem with that?
 

MellowFarmer

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Go to a black neighborhood and I bet you'll see a bunch of black people at the clinic.

Do you have a problem with that?
I have a problem with that. There are black neighborhoods.

I'm serious, maybe these threads got my mind churning that way already but just yesterday I was in a "black neighborhood" pondering it all. :peace:
 

DelSlow

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I have a problem with that. There are black neighborhoods.

I'm serious, maybe these threads got my mind churning that way already but just yesterday I was in a "black neighborhood" pondering it all. :peace:
You're confusing me :?

Edit: never mind, saw your last post
 

MellowFarmer

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You're confusing me :?
:eyesmoke: Sorry, it just struck me reading your post that the other day while sitting in my car in a black neighborhood waiting on a friend I was lost in thought on the whole sociological arguments of why races are not more of the melting pot I learned in grade school we are called in the USA. I took a lot a Soc classes so the main theories were floating through but I was mainly pondering in this case if most of the residents in that nieghborhood were in that particular nieghborhood due to a comfort level of being around others who are of their race and culture or if it was solely economics or how much of both.
 
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