Christians need to stop attacking gays!!

kpmarine

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Possibly a more bitter perspective. But that's not the point. I'm saying that if kaendar makes a good point, a few members will now just say he doesn't know any better due to his age. It happens to me all the time.. Even by that hypocrite kaendar.
I disagree on the "more bitter" part, but that may just be my luck. People that automatically dismiss an idea because the presenter of said idea is "too young" , may be older, but are not wise. Humility is a big part of wisdom, in my opinion. To be fair though, kaendar made age an issue first.
 

Hepheastus420

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I disagree on the "more bitter" part, but that may just be my luck. People that automatically dismiss an idea because the presenter of said idea is "too young" , may be older, but are not wise. Humility is a big part of wisdom, in my opinion. To be fair though, kaendar made age the issue first.
The way you worded it made me think that you meant wisdom comes with time. That's not true IMO. I know some real dumbasses that are much older than me. I think wisdom comes with logic and books. I don't believe a measurement gives you wisdom. :)

But I was wrong. You clearly meant perspective (duh). In that case, I do agree. Perspectives change with age.

I agree with the humility part. And how kaendar brought up the age issue first.

I'm confusing myself by not making sense. :bigjoint:
 

Hepheastus420

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well it kind of does, but i get your point, it's quite hard for young folk today, i see them wanting
to get served alcohol and cigarettes in the store, and the checkout staff must insist on them presenting ID to prove their age
these days anyone that looks under 25 is getting asked for ID lol
this does not help the tough image of said young men trying to buy booze with their lady friends ..
i do pity them, at that moment they must feel like a little boy trying on daddies shoes wanting to grow up as fast as possible :)
Good point. Age does matter when it comes to physical influences. Alcohol and cigs are very bad and should not be taken at a young age. Sex can lead to a baby and many young people aren't prepared for that. Simple things like death can be too much for a younger person.

I stand corrected.
 

kpmarine

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The way you worded it made me think that you meant wisdom comes with time. That's not true IMO. I know some real dumbasses that are much older than me. I think wisdom comes with logic and books. I don't believe a measurement gives you wisdom. :)

But I was wrong. You clearly meant perspective (duh). In that case, I do agree. Perspectives change with age.

I agree with the humility part. And how kaendar brought up the age issue first.

I'm confusing myself by not making sense. :bigjoint:
To me, books bring knowledge. Wisdom can only truly come with a certain temperament, and a degree of "on the job training", if you will. Knowledge is your toolbox, wisdom is knowing which tool to use in order to best accomplish the job.
 

Hepheastus420

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To me, books bring knowledge. Wisdom can only truly come with a certain temperament, and a degree of "on the job training", if you will. Knowledge is your toolbox, wisdom is knowing which tool to use in order to best accomplish the job.
A 12 year old that helps his/her mother/father garden will gain much more wisdom on that subject than a 30 year old man/woman who has never helped in a garden. Wisdom comes with experiences not with age IMO. A younger person (like kaendar) may have far more experiences than an older person thus gaining much more wisdom much quicker.

"knowledge is your toolbox, wisdom is knowing which tool to use.." I like that. Let me see if I can rep you.
 

Heisenberg

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I disagree on the "more bitter" part, but that may just be my luck. People that automatically dismiss an idea because the presenter of said idea is "too young" , may be older, but are not wise. Humility is a big part of wisdom, in my opinion. To be fair though, kaendar made age an issue first.
There is something that clicks when you find out these particulars are teen-ish. One of the things that is so unsettling about hate rhetoric and blatant prejudice is the lack of understanding how a person could feel this way. So although we can't reject or excuse an opinion based purely on age, we can gain perspective. After all, we do not marvel over the ease in which children embrace Santa or imaginary friends. We do not call a bigot the 12y/o who thinks girls are icky. The older-teen mind an be in an odd place, developed enough to take on the world, but without the equipment to do it, and only the reference of childhood to draw from. This of course is no excuse for all the behavior that follows, the contempt for guidance, The defense of bad ideas, ect but like I said, it does offer perspective.
 

Hepheastus420

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But more experiences come with more age.. In that sense, I'm wrong again.

My whole point is that young people have gone through many experiences too. More than you might think. And through those experiences, they have gained wisdom. With this wisdom, they can make accurate points and decisions that should not be belittled due to their age.

Of course none of you guys were doing that (except for kaendar.. ironically). I was just thinking. :)
 

Doer

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And if we only had some age and experience clues in forum we could sort out better these attitudes.

If I'm discussing with 15 year olds pretenting to be 40, it is not the same as discussing with 40 year olds pretending to be 15.
 

Kaendar

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On this issue of guns, 12 guages are good but not really my style, I prefer a 10 guage semi auto.. I own a 12 guage but never even take it out of the closet. My weapon of choice happens to be my M92 Beretta. Something good if your into CC would be a Ruger .380 LCP... right now I also have a .22LR 1911 on layaway until January. Guns are the business. On the deal with the age, I assumed you must be a little kid because little kids are the only ones dumb enuf to go around calling all cops pigs and shit.

edit: Most 20 year olds are still playing video games in mommy and daddies basement. I live independently, have a career and can afford yearly vacations.
 

Hepheastus420

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On this issue of guns, 12 guages are good but not really my style, I prefer a 10 guage semi auto.. I own a 12 guage but never even take it out of the closet. My weapon of choice happens to be my M92 Beretta. Something good if your into CC would be a Ruger .380 LCP... right now I also have a .22LR 1911 on layaway until January. Guns are the business. On the deal with the age, I assumed you must be a little kid because little kids are the only ones dumb enuf to go around calling all cops pigs and shit.
Not all cops are pigs. Just the ones I've had to deal with.
 

kpmarine

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A 12 year old that helps his/her mother/father garden will gain much more wisdom on that subject than a 30 year old man/woman who has never helped in a garden. Wisdom comes with experiences not with age IMO. A younger person (like kaendar) may have far more experiences than an older person thus gaining much more wisdom much quicker.

"knowledge is your toolbox, wisdom is knowing which tool to use.." I like that. Let me see if I can rep you.
Yet, what happens when that lady's advice doesn't cover an issue you encounter? What happens if she was doing it wrong? What if someone gives you advice counter to your mentor's? That's where wisdom and knowledge diverge to me.
 

kpmarine

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On this issue of guns, 12 guages are good but not really my style, I prefer a 10 guage semi auto.. I own a 12 guage but never even take it out of the closet. My weapon of choice happens to be my M92 Beretta. Something good if your into CC would be a Ruger .380 LCP... right now I also have a .22LR 1911 on layaway until January. Guns are the business. On the deal with the age, I assumed you must be a little kid because little kids are the only ones dumb enuf to go around calling all cops pigs and shit.

edit: Most 20 year olds are still playing video games in mommy and daddies basement. I live independently, have a career and can afford yearly vacations.
Why get a full on .22LR 1911? I'd get a real, as John Moses Browning intended it, 1911; then get a drop-in conversion.
 

skunkd0c

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But more experiences come with more age.. In that sense, I'm wrong again.

My whole point is that young people have gone through many experiences too. More than you might think. And through those experiences, they have gained wisdom. With this wisdom, they can make accurate points and decisions that should not be belittled due to their age.

Of course none of you guys were doing that (except for kaendar.. ironically). I was just thinking. :)
without sounding too patronizing, to the younger fellows here

"i know this, i know how you think you are "smart" because i was your age once, but you have not been my age yet!"

it's hard to be told you "do not know anything" because you are young,

do you honestly think i was not told the same thing when i was your age ?

adults are often patronizing to the younger generation, its not nice, but that is life sorry to say it
while you can accumulate a huge amount of knowledge and information at a young age
you lack many of the experiences of life .. that only come with time and age, success and failure that will shape you
and your views in life .. people do change to some extent with time
you have more to learn, about yourself, and the world than you might imagine at the young age you are now

peace :)
 

Kaendar

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Why get a full on .22LR 1911? I'd get a real, as John Moses Browning intended it, 1911; then get a drop-in conversion.
.45 ammo is too big and too expensive. This is gonna be my fun gun. You can boxes of 100 .22lr for like 20 bucks
 

Hepheastus420

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without sounding too patronizing, to the younger fellows here

"i know this, i know how you think you are "smart" because i was your age once, but you have not been my age yet!"

it's hard to be told you "do not know anything" because you are young,

do you honestly think i was not told the same thing when i was your age ?

adults are often patronizing to the younger generation, its not nice, but that is life sorry to say it
while you can accumulate a huge amount of knowledge and information at a young age
you lack many of the experiences of life .. that only come with time and age, success and failure that will shape you
and your views in life .. people do change to some extent with time
you have more to learn, about yourself, and the world than you might imagine at the young age you are now

peace :)
I never said I was smart nor did I say I'm well experienced. I said that wisdom doesn't come with age. I still stand by that. It comes with experiences.

I just think it's funny when older people say our views are wrong because of our age.


But yes, peace dude. :bigjoint:
 

Hepheastus420

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Yet, what happens when that lady's advice doesn't cover an issue you encounter? What happens if she was doing it wrong? What if someone gives you advice counter to your mentor's? That's where wisdom and knowledge diverge to me.
What lady?

Doing what wrong?

Then I'd take the advice for what it is. I'd think the advice through and decide if it's right or wrong.

I'm confused. :)
 

Kaendar

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I wonder what the point of this thread was. I mean we all know christians should stop attacking gays. Maybe the point of the thread was to make a plan to stop that attacks?
The point of this thread was so that Christians could discuss other ways of going about business without attacking homosexuals and treating them like some forbidden demons..
 
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