Christians need to stop attacking gays!!

[Kaendar]

Bro i have to say the only disorder in this thread is your close minded thinking...And you aspire to be a police officer..Jah,God,If you don't beleive in,Spacegod,Nike shoe God,_______insert your God ...The only disorder i see is the one you see ,when you look into the mirror....Live life..Don't impose your idea/ideals of life on folks you have NO!!!!!! CLUE!!! ABOUT!!! Especially online in a forum...Where your ignorance staeps infront of your common sense...Nuff said.. ..Respect (when i jumped into this thread ,i actually thought you had a legitimate point(i gave you a like or 2/until i found out who you really are) ..Funny as i read /also saw you expose your personal predujuices.(if wrong i smoked a bigfattne,lol). Dam was i ever wrong..By the way answer me....Anyone in your family is gay? ( i won't go there)...Do you have people who disagree with you totally in your circle of friends??(just a [/SIZE]hyopthetical question) .Your desire to be an officer of the law (not a thing wrong with that).But your narrow mindedness will be a hindrence to you and your partner on the beat..George Clinton(Paliment/Funkadelic say's"Free your mind, your ass will follow"..Free up my breathen!!

What are you talking about man? Im trying to explore something completely rational. And to answer your question.. no, nobody in my family is gay.. and I have gay ppl in "my circle of friends". I have nothing against gay ppl, I work with them, get high with them, and drink with them from time to time. The only type of people that I refuse to associate with are satanist and white supremacists.

 

[iCanadianGrower]

You dont need to be a psychatrist.. There already out there.. Its not like theres no research on homosexuality which was stated above by eisenberg.. The fact is its not a disorder.. ADD is.. There not even near being parrellels to each other..

 

[Cut.Throat.]

I have ADD.. your saying theres something wrong with me? Like I said, alot of people have disorders and dont realize it.. people have misconceptions about how severe a disorder has to be..

No such thing as ADD. Every person I've met who says they have ADD goes home and manages to play their XBOX or sit on their computer for 6+ hours. Eat less sugar.

 

[Kaendar]

You dont need to be a psychatrist.. There already out there.. Its not like theres no research on homosexuality which was stated above by eisenberg.. The fact is its not a disorder.. ADD is.. There not even near being parrellels to each other..

Stop claiming speculations and opinions as facts.

 

[iCanadianGrower]

You're doing the same thing and its not speculation.. if evidence was previously posted.. Your way to stubborn bro

 

[Heisenberg]

If I was a psychiatrist with a university and thousands of dollars of funding for research, maybe I could come up with the answer. Until somebody does do the research necessary, this is simply "unknown". We can only make speculations on whether or not homosexuality is a choice or result of stimuli...

Lots of effort has been made, which is why lots of theories can be ruled out, including most of the ones you have proposed. But you are correct that it is both different and unexplained. You've yet to demonstrate that this has any significant impact which can qualify it as a disorder.

And this is where you will start thinking I am arrogant, but I will attempt this anyway. Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? It does not mean you are ignorant. It means a person has pointed to ignorance, or the fact that we lack knowledge, as support for a positive conclusion. When you point to an unknown, you can not use it to support your theory, just as I can't use it to support mine. So while you are right to say it is unexplained, you are wrong to use the non-explanation to suggest that with more research your theory would be proven true. It's just as possible future research will rule out disorders, as it has since we began looking.

 

[Kaendar]

You're doing the same thing and its not speculation.. if evidence was previously posted.. Your way to stubborn bro

Im not doing the same thing, im offering my opinion and leaving it as an opinion. You are offering your opinion but claiming it as a fact. Can you prove that homosexuality is or is not a choice?

 

[Heisenberg]

Lots of effort has been made, which is why lots of theories can be ruled out, including most of the ones you have proposed. But you are correct that it is both different and unexplained. You've yet to demonstrate that this has any significant impact which can qualify it as a disorder.

And this is where you will start thinking I am arrogant, but I will attempt this anyway. Do you know what an argument from ignorance is? It does not mean you are ignorant. It means a person has pointed to ignorance, or the fact that we lack knowledge, as support for a positive conclusion. When you point to an unknown, you can not use it to support your theory, just as I can't use it to support mine. So while you are right to say it is unexplained, you are wrong to use the non-explanation to suggest that with more research your theory would be proven true. It's just as possible future research will rule out disorders, as it has since we began looking.

And also, this is one of the things I was talking about. Argument from ignorance is an error in thinking, it keeps you from gaining an accurate understanding of the world. Our minds do not accept such easily demonstrable errors.

 

[iCanadianGrower]

Its not the question of it being a choice or not.. most gay people tend to lean towards there sexual orientation, being pre-determined even as children some people have homosexual tendencies.. how would that be a conscious choice that pre-pubescent children could make

 

[cannabineer]

Its not the question of it being a choice or not.. most gay people tend to lean towards there sexual orientation, being pre-determined even as children some people have homosexual tendencies.. how would that be a conscious choice that pre-pubescent children could make

Earlier you claimed that it is a choice. That's the part I see as difficult to defend. cn

 

[Kaendar]

Its not the question of it being a choice or not.. most gay people tend to lean towards there sexual orientation, being pre-determined even as children some people have homosexual tendencies.. how would that be a conscious choice that pre-pubescent children could make

I personally dont think it is a conscious choice, I think its a subconscious development.

 

[iCanadianGrower]

No i mispoke.. I said choice/born that way.. i simply misspoke whiich i apologized for in another post.. I fully believe homosexual people prefer there own sex over there other, and its not because of a disorder, thats just what they prefer.. Its not a disorder or a choice.. I apologize again for miss representing my opiniion earlier

 

[Kaendar]

No i mispoke.. I said choice/born that way.. i simply misspoke whiich i apologized for in another post.. I fully believe homosexual people prefer there own sex over there other, and its not because of a disorder, thats just what they prefer.. Its not a disorder or a choice.. I apologize again for miss representing my opiniion earlier

But you have to choose in order to make a preference. Saying is a preference is saying there are 2 or more choices but one (the preference) is more to your liking. So you are claiming its a choice.

 

[Growman3001]

Being gay is a choice, in my opinion anyways, but the question is, why is that choice made?

 

[cannabineer]

Being gay is a choice, in my opinion anyways, but the question is, why is that choice made?

That would be begging the question. cn

 

[Growman3001]

That would be begging the question. cn

Put a "hot" guy and a "hot" girl in front of a gay man, he will choose the "hot" guy. Choose as in you have the choice... He is not being forced, that's his choice...
The proof is in that alone thus im not "begging the question," just asking the question...

 

[Kaendar]

Being gay is a choice, in my opinion anyways, but the question is, why is that choice made?

I dont think people just suddenly choose to be gay, maybe some but not most. I think your subconscious develops feelings of distaste for the same sex, all the while making you more open to ideas of sexual activity with the same sex, and eventually there is a conscious choice to act on those feelings. Why? Well I offered the ideas that its a developmental thing, changed from the norm by certain environmental stimuli and experiences thru childhood.

 

[Growman3001]

I dont think people just suddenly choose to be gay, maybe some but not most. I think your subconscious develops feelings of distaste for the same sex, all the while making you more open to ideas of sexual activity with the same sex, and eventually there is a conscious choice to act on those feelings. Why? Well I offered the ideas that its a developmental thing, changed from the norm by certain environmental stimuli and experiences thru childhood.

I can agree with the bold and underlined. Correct me if I am wrong but what you are saying is that being gay is an eventual choice by developing ideas through learned behavior?

 

[mindphuk]

There's an old saying, "Never bring a knife to a gunfight.", and it has persisted for a reason. I also disagree on the fundamental grounds that a knife puts you in arm's reach of an opponent. A pistol is for when your long gun goes dry, and a knife is a last resort.

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I was always taught, a pistol is what you use to fight your way to a long gun.

 

[mindphuk]

People that call themselves Kaendar have a disorder. I have no evidence and can't prove it. I'm not saying it's a fact, just a theory of mine so no one can criticize it at all.