Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal

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ChesusRice

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Really want to see how the constitution works?
this guy has no ID and is carrying a gun.
And he refuses to produce an ID even with the cop threatening him
See how it turns out.
[video=youtube;VXwP02Dkp7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwP02Dkp7A[/video]
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
so you have 5 valid voter ID cards? really? Even if they ask for Voter ID then you will still be able to vote 5 times - as I have asked, kindly show us examples of voter fraud that is preventable with voter ID - obviously the examples you state are not.
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The examples I gave are valid. Dead people and people impersonating someone have a hard time producing photo ID. I couldn't use those voter ID cards if I was required to show photo ID.
 
canndo

canndo

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This sort of abuse, or more likely ignorance of the law by the officers makes me very angry. They are distorting the law, they are imposing their "official" status on citizens by bullying them. It is not our responsibility to ensure their safety, it is theres. "we have had problems before" is not an excuse. The cop "feels" that he has the right. If the officers fear for their safety then they can legaly take the citizen into custody and at that point confiscate the citizen's weapon and determine the citizen's identity. They are bullying him with this "you have something to hide". The citizen did the right thing, the cops could have if they were truely concerned for their safety. I wonder what they would have done had they not seen the camera.
 
canndo

canndo

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Red1966 said:
The examples I gave are valid. Dead people and people impersonating someone have a hard time producing photo ID. I couldn't use those voter ID cards if I was required to show photo ID.
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You gave examples of how it may be possible for someone to impersonate someone else - they could as easily impersonate someone else WITH photo ID, but that isn't the point here. Examples of how something might be done is far different than the information I requested - evidence of widespread voter fraud that would be prevented with voter ID. There is no such evidence in existence.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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ChesusRice said:
Really want to see how the constitution works? this guy has no ID and is carrying a gun. And he refuses to produce an ID even with the cop threatening him See how it turns out. [video=youtube;VXwP02Dkp7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXwP02Dkp7A[/video]
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This video has an embedded virus! DO NOT DOWNLOAD!!!!!
 
nontheist

nontheist

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[video=youtube_share;wfx7TEuqHEA]http://youtu.be/wfx7TEuqHEA[/video]

THIS IS HOW THEY ASK FOR ID IN BAMA
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
As I said earlier, I am sure ACORN will be happy to pay $35 for their vote.
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And now we get to ACORN. The simple reality of ACORN is this - they are composed of a bunch of unintelligent folk who are in it for the money - the money the money the money. This has nothing to do with voter fraud, it has to do with a bunch of guys who get paid a half a buck for each person they register - registration fraud is a different animal than voter fraud and there has never been any proof what so ever that ACORN was an orchestrated attempt to alter elections.
 
nontheist

nontheist

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[video=youtube_share;Tu-shg_yirY]http://youtu.be/Tu-shg_yirY[/video]

How they ask minors in phoenix for ID
 
canndo

canndo

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http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf


http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/papers/PS_VoterID.pdf.


http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/research/Voter_ID_APSA.pdf.

At the risk of begging the question, these (and more) slam the Heritage foundation's assertions that the Brennan study was bogus so, read
von Spakovsky's account if you must but it doesn't debunk anything at all. More importantly, the Heritage foundation's discussion ignores the fact that they do what the right so often does, rather than bring up their own facts (oh, say proof that widespread voter fraud exists) they simply attack other people's studies.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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canndo said:
You gave examples of how it may be possible for someone to impersonate someone else - they could as easily impersonate someone else WITH photo ID, but that isn't the point here. Examples of how something might be done is far different than the information I requested - evidence of widespread voter fraud that would be prevented with voter ID. There is no such evidence in existence.
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No, that is the point. Voter fraud doesn't have to be widespread to change the outcome of an election. George Bush won Florida, and the presidency, by less than 500 votes or less than 1/10 a percent. 100 plus illegal votes were cast for Gore in Jacksonville alone. If the Democratic Party had been able to buy just a few more votes, they would have been able to steal the election. JFK's father BOUGHT his son the presidency. Lorette Sanchez stole her election. The Chicago "Machine" routinely has stolen elections for decades. Your "requirement" that the fraud must be widespread is bogus. Trying to pretend that fraud doesn't matter indicates you have no respect for democracy.
 
canndo

canndo

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Red1966 said:
No, that is the point. Voter fraud doesn't have to be widespread to change the outcome of an election. George Bush won Florida, and the presidency, by less than 500 votes or less than 1/10 a percent. 100 plus illegal votes were cast for Gore in Jacksonville alone. If the Democratic Party had been able to buy just a few more votes, they would have been able to steal the election. JFK's father BOUGHT his son the presidency. Lorette Sanchez stole her election. The Chicago "Machine" routinely has stolen elections for decades. Your "requirement" that the fraud must be widespread is bogus. Trying to pretend that fraud doesn't matter indicates you have no respect for democracy.
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Let us use that same simple equation. Take the number of fraudulent votes and subtract them from the number of voters who are no longer able to vote because of Voter ID laws. if the number is more than zero then those who advocate voter ID are the ones with no respect for democracy. I have posed a few of the studies that indicate that legitimate voters may not have supporting documentation - as many as 11 percent according to some studies. Now how about you show us something rather than simply stating that Sanchez stole her election. All you seem to have is rumor. I posted solild evidence for my case.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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canndo said:
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf


http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/papers/PS_VoterID.pdf.


http://faculty.washington.edu/mbarreto/research/Voter_ID_APSA.pdf.

At the risk of begging the question, these (and more) slam the Heritage foundation's assertions that the Brennan study was bogus so, read
von Spakovsky's account if you must but it doesn't debunk anything at all. More importantly, the Heritage foundation's discussion ignores the fact that they do what the right so often does, rather than bring up their own facts (oh, say proof that widespread voter fraud exists) they simply attack other people's studies.
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nobody got a ticket on my street today so nobody was speeding and the cops have no business being here

I'm fairly new here but I can already tell you are one of my favorite posters that I disagree with. your posts are so well thought out and you bring the facts, no disputing that from me.

This is my take only, not "everyone on the right", so take it fwiw. There is a very real threat of voter fraud. There has been a handful shown in this thread (which is definitely not an epidemic) that have affected elections. I want to preserve the sanctity of the vote as much as possible. If you don't have ID your first one is on us. Who, under 90 years old, doesn't have ID? There is no constitutional right to vote no matter how bad you want there to be. SCOTUS told you that back in 2000. Qualified citizens have the right to vote, states decide who is qualified. IF you don't like it, let's get a right to vote amendment like Jesse Jackson Jr submitted.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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UncleBuck said:
because IDs cost money.

i see you've gone back to being a conservative again, you need the most simple things explained to you.
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seriously? I lost my mail in vote (ID) so now i have to drive to the polls because they won't come to me. Driving is going to cost me money for gas (ID) so it's a poll tax. Therefore you MUST pay for my gas or come to my house.
 
kelly4

kelly4

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UncleBuck said:
no, those offended do not have to fuck off. that's not how it works.

those making offensive, bigoted statements, against the TOU of the site can fuck off. that would be you.

your bigotry will not be tolerated. i will have it removed if you do not fuck off and your account banned if it continues.
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He hasn't said 1/10th of the shit you have.
 
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