Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal

desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
By the way, I will not dispute that voter fraud happens and I will not dispute that it is entirely possible that it happens more on the Dem side. But until I see some real evidence that it is even half the problem the Republicans seem to think it is, And I show evidence that it is as bad as We think it is, then I will not agree that voter ID is a wise move.
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Of course you will continue to object to voter ID, it benefits your tribe, which is the larger point I made earlier.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Of course you will continue to object to voter ID, it benefits your tribe, which is the larger point I made earlier.
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No Desert Dude, I object to it because it inhibits citizens from voting and I see no evidence that fraud is a bigger threat. You are unable to show that evidence. It is easy to ignore evidence and continue simply to polarize a particular issue by crediting my stance as a "tribal" one but you see, I don't do tribes, I go where the truth or the evidence or the facts take me. I am wondering why you do not.
 
Mindmelted

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desert dude said:
I lived in a second floor rear walkup at 2711 W Ogden, from about 1960 to 1968. My family immigrated to Chicago in 1956 from Kentucky. We "moved" to Chicago on a Greyhound bus. Your idea of "rich" is a bit bizarre.
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Dont ya love how these folks love to assume shit about people......:wall:
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
No Desert Dude, I object to it because it inhibits citizens from voting and I see no evidence that fraud is a bigger threat. You are unable to show that evidence. It is easy to ignore evidence and continue simply to polarize a particular issue by crediting my stance as a "tribal" one but you see, I don't do tribes, I go where the truth or the evidence or the facts take me. I am wondering why you do not.
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Life experience. Seeing voter fraud with my own eyes, and in my case it was Democratic voter fraud and it was pervasive in Chicago at the time.

Like I said, voter ID seems to be a simple and cheap method to put a little faith in the system.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
Life experience. Seeing voter fraud with my own eyes, and in my case it was Democratic voter fraud and it was pervasive in Chicago at the time.

Like I said, voter ID seems to be a simple and cheap method to put a little faith in the system.
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Now this is a problem Desert Dude, many on the right and the left believe that what they see with "their own eyes" can be anything other than what they see with their own eyes. It is not fact in any sense than it is indeed what you saw. I don't dispute what you saw but I contend that what you saw, in a lifetime, in one small location or another is not proof of anything widespread. Again, I posted studies, studies of thousands and tens of thousands of incidents and not what "someone saw".

Now maybe we can get somewhere if you would be willing to honestly answer some questions - are you?
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
It fits the stereotype in their own minds: rich, white, male who wants to kill poor people because rich, white males like to see people die.
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Well, I don't know if anyone likes to see others die, but I do know that the poor rarely start wars but they often are forced to fight in them.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
Now this is a problem Desert Dude, many on the right and the left believe that what they see with "their own eyes" can be anything other than what they see with their own eyes. It is not fact in any sense than it is indeed what you saw. I don't dispute what you saw but I contend that what you saw, in a lifetime, in one small location or another is not proof of anything widespread. Again, I posted studies, studies of thousands and tens of thousands of incidents and not what "someone saw".

Now maybe we can get somewhere if you would be willing to honestly answer some questions - are you?
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I am but I am headed out of town in about 10 minutes and won't be back on here till tonight at the earliest.

Cheesus, Fullerton and Laramie? Isn't that Cicero, a Chicago suburb? We considered Cicero to be a rich suburb with leafy green trees.
 
canndo

canndo

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desert dude said:
I am but I am headed out of town in about 10 minutes and won't be back on here till tonight at the earliest.

Cheesus, Fullerton and Laramie? Isn't that Cicero, a Chicago suburb? We considered Cicero to be a rich suburb with leafy green trees.
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Well I'm headed over to Humbolt for the 4th.
 
desert dude

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kelly4 said:
Hey, you two.....Blackhawks suck!bongsmilie
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Not a sports kind of guy, so no argument from me. The only name I can even conjure up for hockey and the blackhawks is Bobby Hull, so that ought to tell you how long it has been since I even noticed hockey. ;-)
 
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ChesusRice

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Fuck no that ain't cicero. I lived down the street from Cliff Coral.
And I remember Humboldt park. Now that was a Party
 
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Toorop

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JustAnotherHead said:
So according to the left once must be rich now to get an ID? Hahahaha

They can afford the latest iPhone, but can't swing an ID.
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Who is "They" that can afford the latest iPhone? And what are you talking about? Putting a monetary requirement on voting in the form of forcing people to present an ID which has a monetary cost, is in essence a de-facto poll tax. And whether someone is poor or not, the fact is that taxing someone to exercise their rights is wrong. Should they require an ID to attend a church? What about to write on these message boards? Should there be an ID which must be presented to an official before you are allowed to post on Rollitup.org or another website? What about to write a book? Or to purchase a Bible? How about before you speak, you must show the other person your ID? Is that OK?

But please explain who is "They" that can afford an iPhone.
 
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Toorop

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desert dude said:
OK. Assume that is true. What's the harm in requiring ID to vote. It will make people have a bit more faith in the process, and costs next to nothing. Is it a poll tax? I think it's not. Would it stand up to a SCOTUS challenge? I think it would, it's a narrowly tailored response to a potential problem that is foundational to the US republic.

In that pool of non-ID toting people are, by estimates, something like 10 to 20 million aliens here illegally. Do you think Obama's presidential order implementing part of the DREAM act was meant as a craven political move with the sole intent to garner the hispanic vote? Do you think some of those 20 million illegals will be tempted, or coerced to vote in the upcoming elections, especially when there is no requirement to show any kind of ID to do so?

As far as examples of voter fraud, several people have offered them up. My own experience in Chicago as a kid is one such. I saw boxes of little manila envelopes each with a five dollar bill inside, and each destined to buy a vote for the Democrats. You dismiss those examples as "anecdotes".
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You've posted no proof your anecdotes actually happened. I also lived in Chicago and I can easily say that the GOP was sending $10.00 envelopes but it is actually nothing more than hearsay. Post some proof that this happened.
 
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