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epic win
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I did, but must confess to being unfaithful, Behold my new sex queen.
Mildly edited. cn
Red1966
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Roger Rabbit's girlfriend was pretty hot for a cartoon.I did, but must confess to being unfaithful, Behold my new sex queen.Mildly edited. cn
mysunnyboy
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bumping for hot cartoon characters 
i was thinking more along the lines of Heavy Metal
i was thinking more along the lines of Heavy Metal
Growing101
Member
Dont even make sense your IQ is lower then you thought....
chrishydro
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[FONT=""]The House ofRepresentatives will vote tomorrow on a bill to repeal ObamaCare once and for all.The American people did not want this plan in the first place and this is ourchance to get rid of this massive government intrusion into our lives and thebiggest tax increase in history that Obama, Pelosi and other liberals areforcing upon us.
So much for the epic win, gee I wonder if anyone here can predict the outcome of this vote. Cant find it but one of you called me an idiot when I said this would happen before the end of July, so much for the one thing he would have actualy acomplished. lol
More than likely why the swing vote went with the Tax statement knowing that congress would shoot it down anyway so it was not a swing vote it was more like no vote. IE no Obamacare. [/FONT]
So much for the epic win, gee I wonder if anyone here can predict the outcome of this vote. Cant find it but one of you called me an idiot when I said this would happen before the end of July, so much for the one thing he would have actualy acomplished. lol
More than likely why the swing vote went with the Tax statement knowing that congress would shoot it down anyway so it was not a swing vote it was more like no vote. IE no Obamacare. [/FONT]
MuyLocoNC
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You're jumping the gun, it will die in the Senate, just like the last time. Even if by some miracle it passed the Senate, don't you think Obama would veto it?
chrishydro
Well-Known Member
I am going to pass on that question as to Veto, not sure he can veto a repeal but going to do research right now. I know he can veto any bill they pass but not sure about the repeal status but would agree it is worth reading up on. Looking now.
nontheist
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chrishydro
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Yes. In order to repeal a law, Congress must introduce new legislation which states that a previous law (Health Care Reform, Don't Ask Don't Tell) is repealed. Theoretically, if the Senate did pass a bill which repealed the Health Care Reform Act, then it's up to President Obama to veto the bill. This would place the veto subject to an override by a 2/3 super majority in each chamber of Congress.
Im still not sure what this is saying , yes he can if new leg is presented but I guess not if not subject to 2/3 super majority in each chamber. Bohner is not an idiot, you might think so, but he is a smart fellow. With that said if he knows it will get shot down by the Pres, which it will, I dont think he would have put it to the floor unless they are using it as a chip to bargain for the Bush Tax cuts that the Pres has promised to veto.
Im still not sure what this is saying , yes he can if new leg is presented but I guess not if not subject to 2/3 super majority in each chamber. Bohner is not an idiot, you might think so, but he is a smart fellow. With that said if he knows it will get shot down by the Pres, which it will, I dont think he would have put it to the floor unless they are using it as a chip to bargain for the Bush Tax cuts that the Pres has promised to veto.
chrishydro
Well-Known Member
So if I am reading right if it does pass the Senate, that I will admit will be tough, and he vetos it then goes back to Congress and the veto gets shot down by a 2/3 majority.
Am I reading that correct?
Am I reading that correct?
nontheist
Well-Known Member
Yes if he veto's congress with 2/3 majority can repeal or create a law.
canndo
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"SCOTUS declaring something Constitutional does not make it so".
Correct, but being that SCOTUS's word on constitutionality is the very last word on the subject (unless revisited by that same body), the issue is now effectively moot. Therefore, if SCOTUS states that something is Constitutional, it will be treated by our government as such unless and until that subject is broached again, and it is SCOTUS's choice as to whether or not the subject will even be re-examined.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
The whole truth is that the Republicans are just repeating history
ironic since the last time they used these tactics in the 90s The Republican plan was something we call today OBAMACARE
December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol
privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol
writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the
Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its
passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and
revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will
unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and
the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and
becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The
timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans
that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest.
Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely
shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn
in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton
plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993,
blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of
what it has heard about the Clinton plan.
You really should look at history
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html
ironic since the last time they used these tactics in the 90s The Republican plan was something we call today OBAMACARE
December 2, 1993 - Leading conservative operative William Kristol
privately circulates a strategy document to Republicans in Congress. Kristol
writes that congressional Republicans should work to "kill" -- not amend -- the
Clinton plan because it presents a real danger to the Republican future: Its
passage will give the Democrats a lock on the crucial middle-class vote and
revive the reputation of the party. Nearly a full year before Republicans will
unite behind the "Contract With America," Kristol has provided the rationale and
the steel for them to achieve their aims of winning control of Congress and
becoming America's majority party. Killing health care will serve both ends. The
timing of the memo dovetails with a growing private consensus among Republicans
that all-out opposition to the Clinton plan is in their best political interest.
Until the memo surfaces, most opponents prefer behind-the-scenes warfare largely
shielded from public view. The boldness of Kristol's strategy signals a new turn
in the battle. Not only is it politically acceptable to criticize the Clinton
plan on policy grounds, it is also politically advantageous. By the end of 1993,
blocking reform poses little risk as the public becomes increasingly fearful of
what it has heard about the Clinton plan.
You really should look at history
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/may96/background/health_debate_page2.html
medicineman
New Member
The Right wing government in Nevada is pushing for jail time for not paying government fees. They fine you, then when you don,t pay the fine, they assess a fee on the unpaid fine and if you don't pay that, they issue a bench warrant for your arrest. I'm not sure if this has passed into law yet or not, the Democrats are sure to fight it in the state legislature, I certainly hope they win. They, the right wing state government, are trying to privatize all state prisons and enact a private police force, we can all see where that is heading.
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
NO WAY
You are a Liar go away you evil man
The Private prison industry would never lobby goverment for new laws that would enrich their bottom line
You sir are a dishonorable man'
Shame on you
nontheist
Well-Known Member
KK that was a little "over the top" cheddar lol
ChesusRice
Well-Known Member
Over the past several years private-prison companies Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) and the Geo Group, through their work as members of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) and through their ties to the Arizona Legislature and the office of Gov. Jan Brewer, have had ample opportunity–and obvious intent–to ensure the passage of S.B. 1070.
According to Sen. Russell Pearce and Brewer’s spokesman Paul Senseman, the S.B. 1070 went through a lengthy edit and review process that took place predominantly within the Arizona Legislature and the offices of the Maricopa County Attorney and Gov. Brewer.
A little over a week after Pearce introduced S.B. 1070 on the floor of the Arizona Senate, CCA enlisted Highground Consulting, one of the most influential lobbying firms in Phoenix, to represent its interests in the state. Lobby disclosure forms filed with the Arizona Secretary of State indicate that Maricopa County also employed Highground during the time of the bill’s formation. Highground’s owner and principal, Charles “Chuck” Coughlin, is a top advisor and the current campaign manager of Gov. Brewer.
According to Sen. Russell Pearce and Brewer’s spokesman Paul Senseman, the S.B. 1070 went through a lengthy edit and review process that took place predominantly within the Arizona Legislature and the offices of the Maricopa County Attorney and Gov. Brewer.
A little over a week after Pearce introduced S.B. 1070 on the floor of the Arizona Senate, CCA enlisted Highground Consulting, one of the most influential lobbying firms in Phoenix, to represent its interests in the state. Lobby disclosure forms filed with the Arizona Secretary of State indicate that Maricopa County also employed Highground during the time of the bill’s formation. Highground’s owner and principal, Charles “Chuck” Coughlin, is a top advisor and the current campaign manager of Gov. Brewer.
Dr Kynes
Well-Known Member
ummm... refusing to pay court ordered fines always results in jail time. even in a civil matter like traffic tickets, you usually cant be jailed for not paying the traffic ticket but you sure as hell can be jailed for not paying the fines, thats called contempt of court.
most traffic fines are not even misdemeanors, those that are misdemeanors do offer the possibility of jail time, and if they are aggravated, they can even be felonies which ALWAYS includes the possibility of time in slam.
these are all based on court imposed debts, not debts between private citizens or other entities. you can never be jailed for refusing to pay a cell phone bill or other such shit. debtors prisons are very different.
exception: every city county and state, as well as federal law has provisions to prosecute fraud. in these cases the civil debt is separate from the criminal charges.
your steadfast assertion that nevada is "right wing" and everything they do that you oppose is also "right wing" flies in the face of logic. california has similar provisions, and california is not "right wing"
private prisons is an entirely different subject, and that bullshit is supported by bastards on BOTH SIDES! unclench and quit the blame game.