Well I guess u and me will just have to agree to disagree cause I still think if u let ur plants veg until they show preflowers will help u get the full potential out of ur plants. U have to remember too my plants have only been on a 12/12 cycle for 2 weeks now so I'll post more pics here in a month so we can get a better comparison on our ways of growing. Lol DJ if ur really DJ Burn and u live in Socal I'm laugh my ass off, I only say that cause he has a very similar dog.