Chief Walkin Eagle
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Damn... I didnt realize you were that far gone...
Atheists Are Going To Hell
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BongTokinAlcoholic420
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There is a Verse In the BIBLE that say's "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." Ecclesiastes 12:7
WOOOO everyone Goes to heaven where we will be Having the Greatest Time EVER!!!!!! if this is true, which i believe it is ...
WOOOO everyone Goes to heaven where we will be Having the Greatest Time EVER!!!!!! if this is true, which i believe it is ...
Zaehet Strife
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Religion is the process of unconscious wish fulfillment, where, for certain people, if the process did not take place it would put them in self-danger of coming to mental harm, being unable to cope with the idea of a godless, purposeless life.
Religion comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in dementia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
Religion comprises a system of wishful illusions together with a disavowal of reality, such as we find in an isolated form nowhere else but in dementia, in a state of blissful hallucinatory confusion.
Not mistaken. Song lyrics....
Zaehet Strife
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Trust those who seek the truth. Doubt those who claim to find it.
BongTokinAlcoholic420
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What if God is real, but want's people to have "Faith" in him, without having substantial Proof?
I Strongly believe their is an Almighty God... and He has a sense of Humor ...which is irrelevant ...But it gives you little insight of whom I'm speaking of ... YHWH.
But He does Exist ... IMHO!! I love God and Jesus, but Hate Religion. We can have a relationship with The Father without puting a name on our Belief's. Like Christanity, Islam, Judaism, ect.... It could just be called Life. Because without The Almighty, we wouldn't be breathing, better yet their wouldn't be Any "Thing" at all. Time, Space, Consciousness, Atom's and everything else related to THIS Universe. If he is real, which He speak's to me, so I'm pretty sure He's real, unless I'm delusional ...
... lollll
I Strongly believe their is an Almighty God... and He has a sense of Humor ...which is irrelevant ...But it gives you little insight of whom I'm speaking of ... YHWH.
But He does Exist ... IMHO!! I love God and Jesus, but Hate Religion. We can have a relationship with The Father without puting a name on our Belief's. Like Christanity, Islam, Judaism, ect.... It could just be called Life. Because without The Almighty, we wouldn't be breathing, better yet their wouldn't be Any "Thing" at all. Time, Space, Consciousness, Atom's and everything else related to THIS Universe. If he is real, which He speak's to me, so I'm pretty sure He's real, unless I'm delusional ...
... lollll
Kaendar
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Nice to see the same assholes hard at work doing nothing here in SSP. Ive said it before.. Atheists: why do you waste so much of your time spewing your delusions at theists? You really must enjoy arguing. And you also must still live at your parents house, cuz I certainly wouldnt have time to sit there and argue bullshit on the internet all day. Get a life and fuck you very much.
But here you are !
mildredm
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When I married my husband I had little or no education. I had been raised a bible belt southern baptist, hell fire and all that. He was an admitted agnostic but secretly atheist. I was baffled by his non belief and so frightened for him. When I was diagnosed with cancer I prayed when it went into remission I thanked God. When I entered college, I thanked medicine. They say no one dies an atheist... I say no one lives till they find real answers. Talking to myself has not gotten me through life's little hiccups going out and finding magic in the world around me has. I don't need bronze aged beliefs they would have told me to spit on my cancer to cure it.
polyarcturus
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technically speaking it is not possible for anyone to be a true atheist.
Zaehet Strife
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Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.What if God is real, but want's people to have "Faith" in him, without having substantial Proof?
I Strongly believe their is an Almighty God... and He has a sense of Humor ...which is irrelevant ...But it gives you little insight of whom I'm speaking of ... YHWH.
But He does Exist ... IMHO!! I love God and Jesus, but Hate Religion. We can have a relationship with The Father without puting a name on our Belief's. Like Christanity, Islam, Judaism, ect.... It could just be called Life. Because without The Almighty, we wouldn't be breathing, better yet their wouldn't be Any "Thing" at all. Time, Space, Consciousness, Atom's and everything else related to THIS Universe. If he is real, which He speak's to me, so I'm pretty sure He's real, unless I'm delusional ...
Zaehet Strife
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We would refer to them as a "hard atheist" and they can be put into the same category as the theists... deluded, claiming certainty in the absence of it.
Zaehet Strife
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Some people grow cannabis and cubensis mushrooms to provide for themselves, that way we have more time to do what we want to do, rather than do something we don't, like work a shitty corporate job.
When we have reasons for what we believe, we have no need of faith; when we have no reasons, or bad ones, we have lost our connection to the world and to one another. Atheism is nothing more than a commitment to the most basic standard of intellectual honesty: One’s convictions should be proportional to one’s evidence. Pretending to be certain when one isn’t - indeed, pretending to be certain about propositions for which no evidence is even conceivable - is both an intellectual and a moral failing. Only the atheist has realized this. The atheist is simply a person who has perceived the lies of religion and refused to make them his own.
polyarcturus
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a thought for this thread....
in the beginning before time, there was nothing. nothing in every non-existent direction, lets say you where to make a non-existent line directly across nothing can you still have 2 sections of nothing?
it is on this precipice of principle our universe exists. to live is simply accept the fact you have desire, this desire can be called many things but it iwas keep you alive and makes you "live" often out of no other way to explain existence people simply tend to call this "god". god is everything, everything is nothing we live on a fringe to explain the force that drives this as a sentient being is foolish.
in the beginning before time, there was nothing. nothing in every non-existent direction, lets say you where to make a non-existent line directly across nothing can you still have 2 sections of nothing?
it is on this precipice of principle our universe exists. to live is simply accept the fact you have desire, this desire can be called many things but it iwas keep you alive and makes you "live" often out of no other way to explain existence people simply tend to call this "god". god is everything, everything is nothing we live on a fringe to explain the force that drives this as a sentient being is foolish.
polyarcturus
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what i find the most interesting is if you have a brain, instinct would prevent you from being an atheist or nihilist, i mean the only way to beat the system is to kill yourself, that is the only way to be a "true" atheist.
i cant understand why people cant just accept the fact we exist simply because we can.
Zaehet Strife
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To claim certainty in the absence of it... puts one in the category of the deluded...
While believing strongly, without evidence, is considered a mark of madness or stupidity in any other area of our lives, faith in God still holds immense prestige in our society. Religion is the one area of our discourse where it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about. It is telling that this aura of nobility extends only to those faiths that still have many subscribers. Anyone caught worshipping Poseidon, even at sea, would be thought insane.
While believing strongly, without evidence, is considered a mark of madness or stupidity in any other area of our lives, faith in God still holds immense prestige in our society. Religion is the one area of our discourse where it is considered noble to pretend to be certain about things no human being could possibly be certain about. It is telling that this aura of nobility extends only to those faiths that still have many subscribers. Anyone caught worshipping Poseidon, even at sea, would be thought insane.
Zaehet Strife
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I understand that this is quite the read, but if you can grudge through it, it may open your mind to new perspectives, if anything, new ideas. This is taken from my nihilism thread i made a while back.
Existential nihilism is the philosophical theory that life has no intrinsic meaning or value. With respect to the universe, existential nihilism posits that a single human or even the entire human species is insignificant, without inherant purpose and unlikely to change in the totality of existence. According to the theory, each individual is an isolated being "thrown" into the universe, barred from knowing "why", yet compelled to invent meaning. The inherent meaninglessness of life is largely explored in the philosophical school of existentialism, where one can potentially create his or her own subjective "meaning" or "purpose". Of all types of nihilism, existential nihilism gets the most literary and philosophical attention.
The idea that meaning and values are without foundation is a form of nihilism, and the existential response to that idea is noting that meaning is not "a matter of contemplative theory", but instead, "a consequence of engagement and commitment". The theory purports to describe the human situation to create a life outlook and create meaning, which has been summarized as,
"Strut, fret, and delude ourselves as we may, our lives are of no significance, and it is futile to seek or to affirm meaning where none can be found." Existential nihilists claim that, to be honest, one must face the absurdity of existence, that he/she will eventually die, and that both religion and metaphysics are simply results of the fear of death.
"There is no justification for life, but also no reason not to live. Those who claim to find inherent meaning in their lives are either dishonest or deluded, they fail to face up to the harsh reality of the human situation. Those who aknowledge the absurdity of existence, and decide to give their life meaning despite that fact, are the truly honest ones." -Donald A. Crosby
When i speak about no purpose, im talking about no inherent purpose... like nothing gives us meaning or purpose. The only thing that gives us meaning and purpose is ourselves, and how we choose to give it that meaning. I think most people who cling to metaphysics/theology/spirituality have a really hard time understanding that we give ourselves purpose, or maybe they just cant except that. Dealing with the absurdity of existence is extremely painful at the start, but it allows a sense of freedom within ourselves that i cannot quite describe, it allows us to be completely honest with ourselves... rather than pretending/lying to ourselves to make ourselves feel better, we gain a sense of accomplishment, courage, pride, freedom, complete honesty, because instead of giving ourselves false truths, we embrace the absurdity of our existence and continue to live happily (or some unfortunates decide to live unhappily) in spite the fact that our lives are inherently meaningless. Since we have gotten past this awakening, we can now move towards the bigger and better parts of our lives, living in the moment, living for happiness and to make others happy, etc. etc.
I completely agree with you, that science is wrong, a lot! Even Hawkins was wrong when he said that information is destroyed in a back hole, it took him 25 years to come to terms within himself.. but he held a conference and openly stated that he was wrong, and that he is going to use this information to further his study about black holes. And you are also right, we could be completely wrong about what we think we know... but it doesn't change the fact that our sun will die, nothing can change that, and as we look into the farthest corners of the universe, it keeps telling us, reminding us over and over again... nothing lasts forever, that everything is in a constant flux of change.
I think if the outcome is unknown, it is merely the best to assume only that which can carry the burden of proof to the highest degree of what we can know. Like how we know stars die, we know entire species can get wiped out in a matter of days. I think the question about assuming the worst or assuming the best depends on our individual preferences. Personally, i just like to live life as happily as i can trying my best to not do anything that impacts the environment negatively.
I think the next step in human evolution is our choice, we hold the key to unlock the door. I think the first step is when everyone can come to terms with absurdity, and still find enough meaning in ourselves to continue to live. I think once/if this step is made on a mass scale, the sudden realization of what we have been doing to ourselves and our planet will hit us, and hit hard. If we could only understand the absurdity of the human condition, i think we would finally make the step we should have been making a long time ago to help everyone in the world be healthy, have a place to sleep, food to eat, clean water to drink for everyone. This is all possable and more, but everyone is so worried about what to believe, its like we are all still children, its like the human race is in its child stage, arguing and fighting over things that hold no relevance over what is actually important in the world.
From my own experiences, ive come up with a theory for humans capacity to change.
1. The hardest, is to change because you want to. Have you ever tried quitting smoking cigarettes, or cannabis for that matter? It is extremely degrading to my ego, when i would promise myself i was going to make the change, yet i couldn't do it. It was so hard, so very hard to change because i wanted to rather than when i HAVE to.
2. This gets a little easier, but still pretty tough. This form of change happens when something in our lives gets to a point where if we don't change, our mental or physical health would be in jeopardy. For instance, when you find out you are starting to get lung cancer, it is much easier to quit smoking now that you have a more powerful incentive to quit, because it might save your life. And isn't it funny, that it sometimes takes the fear of death to make us decide to change?
3. The last is the easiest, this form of change happens when you are forced to change. For example, say you get put on probation, and by law, if you get caught smoking cannabis you are going to be spending some time behind bars that people made to keep humans in. This is a massive amount of incentive, i cant think of a time where change came easier for me... i quit smoking cannabis cold turkey straight up, easiest change ive ever made lol.
Now when you take a look at this theory of change, and instead of presenting it as individual change... and take it to a much larger level, mass population change, you can see that the concepts are very similar. Its hard to keep hold onto the thought of hope for humanity, when you understand fully what it takes for people to change... let alone a mass population to change. It seems to me, that the only way a population will change is from numbers 2. and 3. with 3. topping out at most probable. Im thinking that some sort of mass catastrophe must occur for larger populations to find the courage and incentive to change.
This is very sad, i know, i agree... it sucks. I wish it wasn't like this i really do, but this is why its so hard for me to hold onto hope for humanity to find the key to their own evolution. To put aside our quarreling, arguments and disagreements and focus on what is really important for humanities continued survival, and happiness.
Dislexicmidget2021
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wow,how nice of you to be constructive there shitwhistle.
Zaehet Strife
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Seems as if i gotta spread em' to give you more... hehehe. Love you Dis, you the man.
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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prove it or im not scared .
and btw your going to muslims hell cause you eat pork