100% Pure Landrace Columbian Gold. Where can I get the seeds?

[Jgerlitz]

Hey everyone. Anyone have any idea who sells pure 100% Columbian Gold seeds from? The only places I see that sell Columbian Gold say they are hybrids of 25/75 indica/sativa. I'm not interested in ANY hybrids as indica's make me tired and dumb.

I remember the strains in the 70's-80's produced amazing highs vs today's couch-lock stupefying strains. Today's strains might be more potent...but the the highs are not anywhere close to what they use to be.

I've come to the conclusion that it's because you no longer see any pure land race sativa's which is what was around in the 70's-80's. It wasn't until the early 90's that I started to see this hybrid stuff come into the market and the immediate drop in the quality of the high.

I realize these breeders are growing the indica's because they yield more and flower in about half the time as land race pure sativa's. But honestly. Everyone needs to try a 100% pure sativa land race, grown properly. You will see they are well worth the 130+ day flowering time.

I wish some of the breeders, especially the people growing for dispensaries, would understand that I would pay triple the amount per gram if they would just grow the good old fun weed. Everytime I go the dispensaries I'm forced into looking at the buds under a microscope, smelling the buds and feeling the texture. This is bogus to me. I don't care what it looks like, smells like, tastes like. The high is what ultimately everyone is after and I believe most people have gotten off track on the whole point of the matter. Some of the best weed I ever smoked was just dried brown leaves with tons of seeds, grown under the sun.

I'll probably get a lot of flack on this post from today's young smokers. Saying to me "hey gramps, the weed was shit in the 70's. The stuff today is way more potent. Your just remembering everything from your adolescence. Everything is more fun when your young."

Well this might be slightly true. #1 - The weed is probably more potent today. But it's not as fun in anyway. #2 - I realize everything might be more fun when your young and carefree but then why don't I see any of today's young smokers having the same effect off the weed as we use to? I go to Hempfest every year, there are tons of young adults there. I don't see anyone on the ground, rolling around laughing their ass off. It's because it's not the same high, I'm telling you.

Anyways, I'm getting of the subject.

So back to my question. Anyone have any idea on who carries pure 100% CG seeds? I've come to the conclusion the only way to get the same old high back will be to grow my own.

Thanks!

 

[wheezer]

I think Reefermans Santa Marta CG is 100%.....

 

[Nightmarecreature]

Gage Green Landrace!

https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/gage-green-seeds-bastards-series-colombian-gold/prod_3550.html

 

[teoborg]

Maybe you would find that interesting.It's CG with Jamaican lambsbread. pure sativa.

http://www.sanniesshop.com/colombian-gold-x-jamaican-lambsbread-en.html

 

[DeeTee]

Ah, brings me back to my yonger days, I agree jgerlitz, those days were def diff than today. I too miss the old sativa high we used to get. I'm growing a White Widow in hopes that it touches a little of how it was, but alas as you said today's smoke is more of a indica/sativa hybrid. Wish I could find some myself.....Hope you achieve your goal....Good luck.

 

[Jogro]

Jgerlitz, you're definitely right about landrace sativas being qualitatively different in effect than most modern hybrids.

The problem here is that landrace strains, by definition, do best in their native climates.

Its a combination of temperatures, light, humidity, soil conditions, etc. Some (including DJ Short, famous breeder of the Blueberry stain) believe that SEEDED weed has a different cannabinoid profile, and therefore effect profile, as modern seedless. Stuff grown in the mountains gets more UV light, and is also better than stuff grown at sea level.

So even if you are an experienced grower, unless you happen to own a timeshare in the Columbian mountains, any Santa Marta you were to grow probably wouldn't be quite as good as the stuff you remember from the late 70s.

You can't make a proper Bordeaux with the grapes grown in your backyard.

If you are NOT an experienced grower, know that its more than just long flowering times that makes these strains challenging to grow. First of all, the growing season in most of North America simply isn't long enough to grow these strains outdoors. The frost will come and kill your plants weeks to months before they are ready for harvest. You might be able to grow outdoors if you are growing in a greenhouse or in a place where there is no frost. .. but most people don't have that option.

Growing indoors, these plants LOVE to stretch, again, making them challenging to grow in typical small spaces without extensive and careful training.

 

[PotSearing]

How about a 20week Thai? https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/ace-seeds-double-thai/prod_5.html

I remember giggling off some creeper thai in the late 80's.

 

[wheezer]

Jogro..couldn't have said it better if I tried. Too true. I, too, misss those old sativas as anything I've tried to grow that was close to 100% sativa with the long flowering time, I've been more than disapointed at the turn out,if there was one. Having said that, I believe that we do have some hybrids out there today that are quicker flowering, that still do have that giggly happy clear headded high. Maybe not quite to the extent of true CG, but still very good non-the-less. These Apollo cuts, and the Cindy lines spring to mind.There are others too, but it takes some searching nowdays for sure.

 

[yesum]

If you do them indoors I advise a cmh light and uvb reptile light, and with meter or other, figure your uvb levels.

I grew the Panama Red from ACE and it was a good representative of the old South American high end pot. It was indoor friendly and did not stretch much. It has been inbred to finish in 13 to 15 weeks.

 

[calicat]

Attitude Seed Company. It is from World Of Seeds landraces.

 

[HeartlandHank]

Jgerlitz, you're definitely right about landrace sativas being qualitatively different in effect than most modern hybrids.

The problem here is that landrace strains, by definition, do best in their native climates.

Its a combination of temperatures, light, humidity, soil conditions, etc. Some (including DJ Short, famous breeder of the Blueberry stain) believe that SEEDED weed has a different cannabinoid profile, and therefore effect profile, as modern seedless. Stuff grown in the mountains gets more UV light, and is also better than stuff grown at sea level.

So even if you are an experienced grower, unless you happen to own a timeshare in the Columbian mountains, any Santa Marta you were to grow probably wouldn't be quite as good as the stuff you remember from the late 70s.

You can't make a proper Bordeaux with the grapes grown in your backyard.

If you are NOT an experienced grower, know that its more than just long flowering times that makes these strains challenging to grow. First of all, the growing season in most of North America simply isn't long enough to grow these strains outdoors. The frost will come and kill your plants weeks to months before they are ready for harvest. You might be able to grow outdoors if you are growing in a greenhouse or in a place where there is no frost. .. but most people don't have that option.

Growing indoors, these plants LOVE to stretch, again, making them challenging to grow in typical small spaces without extensive and careful training.

So, with one of these landrace sativas... do you think it could be grown in Deep South of North America?

It's warm enough here to put plants out in the last few weeks of February... Say the plant started indoors, Jan 1st. Then was put outdoors Feb 20. Left outdoors (with no frosts) untill late November...

Think it would finish? 11 months...

 

[althor]

If they could handle 100 degree temps for long stretches.

 

[brotherjericho]

If they could handle 100 degree temps for long stretches.

I believe many sativas come from pretty hot zones of the world.

 

[Clankie]

If they could handle 100 degree temps for long stretches.

I think that the biggest challenge of growing 100% tropical sativas in the deep south might be that you can smell a 15-20 foot tall plant from quite some distance. Also, at that size they will most likely need access to a very large water supply. Inside, I have had haze plants that would have finished at around 10 feet tall without intensive LST, and those were flowered at a height of 2', it was bag seed, and I didn't know what I was getting into. If you live somewhere where you don't have to worry about a MASSIVE, rather stinky plant, then they actually might do rather well there. I know, like, nothing about growing outdoors, but it seems to me that you would want to either plant from clone stock or get those beans in the ground as early as possible. A 16-20 week flowering time is nothing to mess around with. On the plus side, the tropical sativas usually have excellent mold resistance, as they come from high humidity environments.
I have heard great things about Gage Green's gear, so their 100% Columbians would be a good bet; ACE seeds also have their oldtimers haze and the specially selected Purple Haze which has dominant purple highland columbian genetics. Personally I very much want to try their Panama, an F6 hybrid of 3 Panamanian landrace sativas, selected for indoor cultivation time with a flowering time of 12 weeks or less.

 

[Jogro]

So, with one of these landrace sativas... do you think it could be grown in Deep South of North America?

It's warm enough here to put plants out in the last few weeks of February... Say the plant started indoors, Jan 1st. Then was put outdoors Feb 20. Left outdoors (with no frosts) untill late November...

Think it would finish? 11 months...

Probably NOT. Its not a question of how many months, per se.

Cannabis plants will only start to flower under restricted light conditions. Specifically, they need 10+ hours of uninterrupted darkness per day in order to flower and maintain flowering. If they are outdoors during any part of the year when light times exceed that amount, they either won't flower, or will "unflower" and go back into a growth/vegetative non-flowering mode.

So, if you were to put your plant outside in Februrary, it would immediately start to flower, since you have less than 12 hours per day of light. Then with the approach of spring, the days would get LONGER, and before your plants would be ready (that would be around June), the longer days would make the plants "unflower", or go back into vegetative growth, ruining your harvest.

Now, *IF* you were growing in a greenhouse or other enclosed setting, you could artificially shade the plant for several hours per day in summer, restricting it to 12 hours per day of light and then, yes, you could complete flowering in the summer. But again, most people don't have that ability.

Barring that, once the plant "unflowered" going into the summer, it would then start to flower AGAIN, in maybe August or so, as the days got shorter and the autumn came.

Now here is the issue. Some of these tropical sativa-type plants require fully 16 weeks to flower to ripeness. In most of the USA you'll get frost before December, and that can severely damage your plant, ruining your crop.

Bottom line is, again, unless you live in an area with NO FROST (which does include parts of the South. . .though not all of it), then you probably won't be able to grow these pure Sativa plants to completion in a regular outdoor setting.

 

[missnu]

I have one that I got from World of Seeds...not sure what it says about it though..but I can assure you it is a sativa...if it is mixed, it isn't mixed much...no way...

 

[missnu]

One of my friends that grows outdoor ordered some of the seeds, and I took a clone...It is very sativa looking in veg...haven't been able to flower it..might not get to at all...so can't say much about it.

 

[Jogro]

I think that the biggest challenge of growing 100% tropical sativas in the deep south might be that you can smell a 15-20 foot tall plant from quite some distance.

If you're willing to grow a 15-20 foot "tree" it pretty much assumes you're doing so in private land where there is nobody else around.

I also don't think size is really the limiting factor here. Yes, in theory you could end up with a 15 foot high hemp tree if you started with a plant already a few feet tall from indoor growth, and grew it under ideal circumstances with no training, etc, but those kind of gigantic plants typically don't get that way by accident.

Check this out, for some sense of what this kind of grow might look like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7oibmvP-cw

Assuming you aren't interested in these monster plants, there are all kinds of things you can do to restrict height, the easiest of which is simply to put the plant into a POT, rather than the ground. Add some knowledgeable training and pruning, and you can end up with a nice manageable bushy plant that isn't a monster "tree" if you like.

 

[Jogro]

If they could handle 100 degree temps for long stretches.

I don't think this is nearly the issue you imply. First of all, this hotter-than-normal year excepted, its typically not quite that hot every day in most of the South.

Average daily peak summer temps for the hottest month of July in Atlanta GA, Memphis TN, Birmingham AL, and Miami FL are 89, 92, 91, and 90F, respectively. In Dallas TX July averages 96F (ouch!).

Meanwhile, typically these sativas grow in tropical/equatorial climates where hottest month average daily summer temperatures in the mid 80s are the norm. Though its usually a little cooler, it can even get that hot in the Columbian mountains where the Santa Marta "Columbian Gold" is grown.

So while most of the American South will be a little hotter than "ideal" during the hottest months of summer, I don't think the difference it going to be enough to ruin a crop. The main thing is just to make sure they get plenty of water when its hot out. Even if the plants don't do as well at 100 as they would at 80F, they're going to be in vegetative growth then, when it isn't going to matter as much. By the time they start flowering into late summer/fall, it will be cooler outside.

With respect to temperature, the biggest difference between most of the South and the tropics/equatorial zones where sativas come from, isn't the absolute heat in the summer, its actually the difference in the WINTER.

In the tropics, you're typically not going to get below 50F, even in the coldest parts of the winter. It literally NEVER gets to freezing there (ever) or even all that close, and in general the temperature variation between the coldest parts of the year and the warmest is quite a bit less. And I think that is one big reason why truely tropical grown plants are going to be better.

 

[Jgerlitz]

Ah, brings me back to my yonger days, I agree jgerlitz, those days were def diff than today. I too miss the old sativa high we used to get. I'm growing a White Widow in hopes that it touches a little of how it was, but alas as you said today's smoke is more of a indica/sativa hybrid. Wish I could find some myself.....Hope you achieve your goal....Good luck.

Thanks for the reply. It's nice to see other folks agreeing the highs have changed. Good luck with the White Widow