Inda-gro Induction...
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Splifferous
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well.. again, i don't have a 100 and haven't ever seen one running, so i can't really conceptualize of how it might light a 2x2. on the other hand... a 200 is a beast for it's small size, and i know that it would fill that 2x2 like a boss. keep in mind that if the veggie girls have more intense light, their nodes stay nice n compact. not as intense light will lead to longer internodes.
Darryl has constantly mentioned to me that the 100s are pro for cloners...
another way to look at it is price per watt; it's not really that much more to go from the 100 to the 200. be careful tho... that logic makes it real easy to talk yourself into nothing but 420s. but on the strictly 100 or 200 tip, i say go 200. you can always raise it and reduce it's intensity to that of the 100, but then it's covering a lot more sq ft than a 100 would.
well, i gotta toss more water in the back yard and then find something to eat...
acidking
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Damnit Splifferous... you and chazbolin have convinced me my next lights are going to be Inda-Gro 420s. I'm going to keep running my Dual 600s and single 400w CMH for the winter, keeps the heating costs down, but come spring time... barring a major lighting breakthrough that make all current lighting obsolete, I'm pulling the trigger on (2) 420s and (2) 200s. Going to replace my 1600 watts with 1240 watts. Probably overkill if the 420s are truly replacements for a 725w HPS as they claim... but I'm still not convinced 1/2 the watts is going to get the same quantity, so I'll try 3/4 the watts and hope for the best.
An open question to you and chaz... how many grams are you guys pulling per watt?
An open question to you and chaz... how many grams are you guys pulling per watt?
Buck123
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chaz i believe had just a smidge over 1gpw with ZERO veg time!
acidking
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Reassuring, but it makes me feel better about deciding to go for 3/4 instead of 1/2 the watts. My current record for my 3x6 space is about 1,100 grams with 1600 watts, so going for 1240 watts instead of 840 watts should keep me about even for quantity, and hopefully quality of light will bump up the quality of the buds at the same time.
acidking
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Thanks Buck, I'm looking forward to picking up some new toys, it'll be like Christmas in March.
Buck123
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No problems at all friend.. any questions the boys will be here in no time to help you out!
Splifferous
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hey there AcidKing! glad to have been able to help inspire you
first, what are the dimensions of your area that currently has those 1600 watts, and how do you train your plants (ie scrog any?) in my experience, because these are different from HID lights, they can't be treated the same. or don't have to be treated the same.. it depends on what indoor paradigm you prefer for yourself, and the perspective that sets you up for as you look to transition from one to the other. you will not need the height for the 420s that you most likely now need for those HIDs (fixtures not as tall as typical HPS reflectors, but also placed closer to the canopy). also, because i like to really bear the lumens down on the girls in the last couple weeks, i prefer to use movers to make it so i am not leaving any part of the plant unlit. i also love the development on the buds under the main tops when hit with the side light of a moving 420.
as for my gpw, it varies per strain. my best of the last run was an Oregon Licorice that i scrogged in an 18x24 inch grid from a 5gal of soil. she was one of 4 plants under a 420 on a mover and she pulled down 7.5 dry, cured ounces. i figure her wattage claim was 105 watts (420 watts per 4 plants) and so i math that to 2gpw-ish. (210g/105w). this run, i changed up the nutes due to finances... what can i say? Canna Boost is seriously the bomb... my current OL is in a 7gal and the only difference in nutes was Massive from Green Planet instead of Boost from Canna, and so far i know i am looking at a lighter plant this time. the buds are more colorful and smell sweeter, and are a LOT more frosty, but are smaller in size (altho just as dense)... once she's dry i will have more info on that... the Cannatonic in the tent is straight massive. i will not be surprised to pull 8+ o from her. the thing is that i'[m transitioning into perpetual in bloom, and with the lights on movers, it's not so simple to figure out how many watts are getting fed to each plant (the center location gets more light than the edges - i need a longer light mover rail...)
my take on gpw is that it depends on more than just the wattage. that simple equation implies that increasing w will increase g, and that's not always the case:
a) too much light can cause stunted plants.
b) other factors can impact yield, with wattage staying the same. (co2, proper temps, metabolic enhancers, diverse rhizosphere, training techniques, dialed in feeding routines, etc)
c) gpw doesn't take into account quality, potency. one of these days im gonna 'tane a whole plant and come up with a gpw based on how much oil i got. after all, THAT is what matters to me most as a dabber* vs flower smoker.
there's also the points to be made that the greatest improvement i have noticed on my girls is quality. the aroma and flavor are unmatched in the circles i run in. even veteran growers with over a decade under their belts are stunned with my meds. and thats even before i tell them that i use these here "fancy fluoros". these lights are key, imo, to bringing out the plants truest desire to thrive and achieve it's best full term development.
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acidking
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hey there AcidKing! glad to have been able to help inspire you
first, what are the dimensions of your area that currently has those 1600 watts, and how do you train your plants (ie scrog any?) in my experience, because these are different from HID lights, they can't be treated the same. or don't have to be treated the same.. it depends on what indoor paradigm you prefer for yourself, and the perspective that sets you up for as you look to transition from one to the other. you will not need the height for the 420s that you most likely now need for those HIDs (fixtures not as tall as typical HPS reflectors, but also placed closer to the canopy). also, because i like to really bear the lumens down on the girls in the last couple weeks, i prefer to use movers to make it so i am not leaving any part of the plant unlit. i also love the development on the buds under the main tops when hit with the side light of a moving 420.
I'm currently running 12 plants in a 3x6 area, so that 1600w equates to about 88w per square foot, or 133w per plant. The space is less than ideal, a closet 3ft wide x 6 feet deep, which means I have to keep my aeroponic units and reservoir chiller on a 6ft long, 2ft wide shelving unit on wheels that can be pulled out to access the plants, any wider and it wouldn't fit out the closet door. The reservoir chiller dictates that my aeroponic units sit on a shelf above. A 18"Wx42L" carbon filter sits on a support system up above, that serves the dual purpose of supporting the lights, compressing the height available for my plants. That height limit is currently 30" before the plants hit the glass of my vented hoods, which means that the top of my canopy can be as close as 7" away from the 600w bulbs. They do tend to burn if I let them hit the glass, so I tie the buds down that are in the greatest danger of burning.
With the 420s I would gain an extra 6" of height, anything taller and the plants would hit the top of the door frame as I pull the shelving unit out. My goal is to get as much penetration as possible because I don't have the luxury of growing tall plants with massive main colas, so I need the penetration to bulk up the lower buds as well. I end up topping the main and secondary branches... ending up with a canopy similar to a SCROG.
Funny story - I'm in a fairly large 1 bedroom apartment, so tents aren't really an option, they'd be too obvious. I was lucky that my closet is narrow and deep instead of wide and shallow. I got a 1 week notice that a city inspector was going to be doing a mandatory "full compliance" inspection about three weeks before harvest. Talk about a panic attack. I read up on exactly what they would be checking for and made damn sure my apartment was in full compliance... so he wouldn't have any reason to be there any longer than absolutely necessary. I blocked the closet door off with a tall metal cabinet, to hide it's existence completely, and I secured it to the doorframe and locked it to make it unmoveable just incase he noticed the door hidden behind and wanted access. I was going to stall, say my girlfriend had the key and was out of town, but we could reschedule. He and my landlord toured and checked my Apartment together... and were none the wiser there was a grow op within feet of them when he checked the electrical outlets, right next to the hidden closet in my bedroom. Crisis averted, wouldn't have been possible with a tent, or a wide closet that allowed easy access to my plants. Shitty grow space saves the day.
veteranformedicine
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hey there babybull! thanks so much for the kind words, and for joining the conversation
first, i wanna mention that i have been plotting out my next garden upgrades, and i am looking at 2x4 or 4x4 tents. options that i have been tossing around, and that i expect would work based on my experience with IG 200s and 420s
a) a single 200PAR on a light mover in a 2x4 tent; 6 inch canopy clearance
b) a single 420PAR in a 2x4 tent; 6-8 inch canopy clearance (and perhaps a bit more ventilation than the 200 would want)
c) a single 420PAR on a light mover in a 4x4 (or 5x5) tent; 6-8 inch canopy clearance
now, those are options that i am looking at, to be playful and learn more... i AM NOT saying that i have ever flowered under a 200, and not promising that it would work with high yields, just that i think it would, and i am getting ready to shoulder the experiment to find out.
for what i DO know about IGs in bloom (420s), i think that your 420 in a 2x4 would absolutely kill it. then when you decide to test veg one under IG vs any LED, i bet you will list that LED on CL and move on... my veg is 2 200PARs over an open 5x10 area and 6 feet off the ground. 3 foot tall girls under them... girls that hit the 3 420s in bloom and take right off with no stress at all; it's the same spectrum, just a lot more intense.
i have heard great things about running 100PARs for clone propagation, i haven't gotten to try that yet as i don't have a 100 yet. based on seeing 200s and 420s in veg, i can't imagine the 100 giving poor results, but i would only think of using it in a 2x2 veg tent or so.
well, i need to get out n water the backyard... just wanted to be sure to get back at ya! once again, it's great to have you around!
Hey spliff! things are looking good on your girls theyre coming along nicely....I just wanted to give you my two cents on this since I currently have a 420 in a 5x5 and I would say it is perfect as far as the light footprint lengthwise but lacks a little in the width and would be perfect with a light mover, I was actually thinking about this a couple weeks ago. So I'd go with the 5x5. I post some pics here shortly for an update on my garden and I'll include the way the light looks in the tent.
veteranformedicine
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Heres a little update from the 5x5 with the 420 in it. The girls are at a little over 2 weeks now and the Jack is looking great. She is developing much faster than the skywalkers. I added another skywalker cus Im flowering them all out....Im done growin those finicky bitches, just cant figure them out 
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chazbolin
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Hiya Vet! You're off to a good start there bro. Like the ice on the Jack. She's gonna blow up on ya me thinks.
Day 30 of flower. My contribution to bud porn for the day...
Day 30 of flower. My contribution to bud porn for the day...
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Splifferous
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hells ya to that, bro! and thanks for the input; totally appreciated!
Splifferous
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me likey!!! those girls are gonna be huge when they're done.....
veteranformedicine
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Haha...I hope so! 
chazbolin
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Hiya Spliff! Thanks bro. Based on where it's going I'm looking forward to the next few weeks. It outta be good good good!
I got a heads up that IG setup a canna only facebook page (Inda-Gro MMJ Gardens) but not linked off the website. As long as its anonymous, and it is, I'm cool with it. So I recognized a few of these like this vid from some good folks out of Tempe AZ I got into these a while back cuz of the heat. Kind of packing em tight but the room produces. in AZ it's all about the heat so they're loving it at around 4500 watts total and less than 1/2 the AC they used to use.
Enjoy!!!
[video=youtube;Fet5WTwo8fo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fet5WTwo8fo[/video]
colocowboy
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What production!
Thanks Chaz, cool vid!
Thanks Chaz, cool vid!
