Global warming pauses... for sixteen years

[Harrekin]

The advent of "fracturing" has done more to reduce the greenhouse gas levels this year than Gore's carbon credit scheme will . Cleaner burning and now cheaper natural gas produces far less pollution than other fuels. Yet the same people clamoring for lower carbon emissions are against fracturing. Go figure.

Mechanical fracking absolutely ecologically destroys where it's done.

 

[Carne Seca]

Mechanical fracking absolutely ecologically destroys where it's done.

I've seen videos of areas where fracking was done. Natural gas was flowing through the water lines. They were lighting the tap water on fire. It was crazy.

 

[deprave]

I think the reason Repub's has such a shitty angle on this argument (complete denial) is that they are used to buying into fear...

fact is..

Global Warming...Real or Not, there is not a god damn thing we can do...that’s the point to sell people fear, to trust, and give the criminals money through corruption..

I feel like I’m watching fox news when I here you fuckers rail on about Global Warming and how we need to give Al Gore money and create monopolies. Get fucking real.

 

[canndo]

I personally feel like we have CONTRIBUTED to it.
In 2008 I remember hearing somewhere that Obama liked high energy/gas prices because it forced people to cut back on energy/gas use. In some ways I can agree with that because as you have seen, people have cut back. People are now looking for more fuel efficient cars for a glaring example.
The problem with that is the fact that when gas/energy prices go up, so does every other product in the country. All of a sudden you are paying double for a gallon of milk and 3x as much for a chicken breast. Some people cant cut back and then they are hit much much harder than those with options. Contractors, truck drivers, operators, and on and on and on, they have no choice, so they have to raise prices which people end up paying. Any person with even a little bit of common sense and not completely devoured with selfishness and greed wants to see a green energy. So many problems could be solved. Unfortunately, it is not available and LIFE MUST GO ON until it is available. Dont freaking kill us in the 20-30 years its going to take before something is practical. DRILL BABY DRILL.

So global warming caused droughts, pests and heatwaves won't have an effect on the price of food, right Althor?

You seem to think that if we would only drill more in the U.S. the price of fuel will go down. We are drilling more, and shipping the gas out of the country, and wow, the price of fuel is not going down. Green energy will not become available until it it is as expensive or less expensive than traditional fuel.

This will happen eventualy, but you want to wait until we have an economic crisis before those alternatives kick in. I don't.

 

[canndo]

The advent of "fracturing" has done more to reduce the greenhouse gas levels this year than Gore's carbon credit scheme will . Cleaner burning and now cheaper natural gas produces far less pollution than other fuels. Yet the same people clamoring for lower carbon emissions are against fracturing. Go figure.

Except that natgas is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.

I want my energy to be clean coming out of the ground and clean burning, renuable would be very nice but I don't see why i should settle for less just because you folks don't believe in progress.

 

[canndo]

I think the reason Repub's has such a shitty angle on this argument (complete denial) is that they are used to buying into fear...

fact is..

Global Warming...Real or Not, there is not a god damn thing we can do...that’s the point to sell people fear, to trust, and give the criminals money through corruption..

I feel like I’m watching fox news when I here you fuckers rail on about Global Warming and how we need to give Al Gore money and create monopolies. Get fucking real.

Again - always the same. It isn't happening, if it is happening we can't do anything about it, if we can do something it is too expensive.

I see you are on to excuse two.


If we caused it, we can uncause it.

 

[beenthere]

So global warming caused droughts, pests and heatwaves won't have an effect on the price of food, right Althor? Canndo, the argument is whether global warming is man made, you know this, why build up an argument that doesn't exist. Even if GW caused droughts and famine, what the fuck is government squeezing more money from it's people going to do to stop it?

You seem to think that if we would only drill more in the U.S. the price of fuel will go down. We are drilling more, and shipping the gas out of the country, and wow, the price of fuel is not going down. Green energy will not become available until it it is as expensive or less expensive than traditional fuel.

This will happen eventualy, but you want to wait until we have an economic crisis before those alternatives kick in. I don't.

And your plan is?

 

[Red1966]

I've seen videos of areas where fracking was done. Natural gas was flowing through the water lines. They were lighting the tap water on fire. It was crazy.

Those videos you saw have been debunked. Turns out those areas where there was gas flowing thru the lines, had gas flowing thru the lines decades before any fracturing was done in the area. The problem predated the fracturing. One notorious video was used to halt a fracturing operation. Later, it was determined that the hose had been connected to a gas separator, not the water line, that had been installed several years before the fracturing operation began, TO SEPARATE THE GAS ALREADY PRESENT IN THE WATER. The group who filed the original injunction to stop the fracturing was fined and ordered to pay damages to the gas driller, but has filed bankruptcy.

 

[ginjawarrior]

And your plan is?

build nuclear power plants lots of nuclear

 

[canndo]

Mechanical fracking absolutely ecologically destroys where it's done.

I believe that fracking, when properly done and all precautions taken, is not nearly as harmful as the lefties and tree huggers imagine. There are problems with it that I think can be solved. We are going to eventualy have to have something and that something is going to inconvenience someone somewhere.

Wind power is going to kill birds and make cows blind, solar is going to cost valuable land, nuclear is going to have containment issues and radiation, wave energy will cost fish, dams will cost fish. Hell even fusion is bound to be a problem with something.


Natgas is our best bet - we have it in abundance, it is the most adapable to our current infrastructure and our current fleet. Natgas is very nice for electricity generating plants as well. Keep a close eye on how the fracking goes and allow unlimited lawsuits and we can control the damage.

 

[beenthere]

build nuclear power plants lots of nuclear

But the left have fought against nuclear for years, I don't see them giving up anytime soon.

 

[Red1966]

Except that natgas is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. I want my energy to be clean coming out of the ground and clean burning, renuable would be very nice but I don't see why i should settle for less just because you folks don't believe in progress.

We're not releasing raw natural gas into the atmosphere. Natural gas is the cleanest burning of all fossil fuels, yet you're against it? That doesn't make any sense. Would you prefer we use a more polluting fuel?

 

[ginjawarrior]

I believe that fracking, when properly done and all precautions taken, is not nearly as harmful as the lefties and tree huggers imagine. There are problems with it that I think can be solved. We are going to eventualy have to have something and that something is going to inconvenience someone somewhere.

Wind power is going to kill birds and make cows blind, solar is going to cost valuable land, nuclear is going to have containment issues and radiation, wave energy will cost fish, dams will cost fish. Hell even fusion is bound to be a problem with something.


Natgas is our best bet - we have it in abundance, it is the most adapable to our current infrastructure and our current fleet. Natgas is very nice for electricity generating plants as well. Keep a close eye on how the fracking goes and allow unlimited lawsuits and we can control the damage.

while natgas is the cleanest burning you still have the problem of co2. nuclear is by far and away the greenest of all of them

 

[canndo]

And your plan is?

Althor was talking abouut the price of energy. That price has always been artificialy low, it is time it was raised to it's actual cost. "even if?" So this is just one more coincidence right?

Government "squeezing" more money from the people is only the way you see it because you don't see a problem at all, just lots and lots of coincidences.

If you will look carefuly at some of the threads around here you will see that I explained my plan quite thoroughly. Raise the price of gasoline and diesel by two dollars a gallon.

 

[ginjawarrior]

But the left have fought against nuclear for years, I don't see them giving up anytime soon.

i know and it drives me mad we've had the clean burning nearly unlimited fuel source for decades now and they're off wasting money sticking windmills up

 

[Harrekin]

while natgas is the cleanest burning you still have the problem of co2. nuclear is by far and away the greenest of all of them

Nuclear will be "green" (no pun intended) when we start sending the waste to the moon.

Until then, calling it "green technology" is as retarded as thinking CO2 alone causes global warming.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Nuclear will be "green" (no pun intended) when we start sending the waste to the moon.

Until then, calling it "green technology" is as retarded as thinking CO2 alone causes global warming.

half life of nuclear waste (from modern reactors) is a few hundreds of years a similar time period to how long co2 will stick in atmosphere and tiny tiny amounts of radioactive waste compared to the huge amount of co2 generated by fossil fuels

firing to the moon is a silly idea though dangerous stuff to shoot up in rockets

 

[desert dude]

Althor was talking abouut the price of energy. That price has always been artificialy low, it is time it was raised to it's actual cost. "even if?" So this is just one more coincidence right?

Government "squeezing" more money from the people is only the way you see it because you don't see a problem at all, just lots and lots of coincidences.

If you will look carefuly at some of the threads around here you will see that I explained my plan quite thoroughly. Raise the price of gasoline and diesel by two dollars a gallon.

Why do you want poor people to starve, freeze and die?

"For a sense of where this may lead, look at Germany, whose crash program to replace nuclear power with wind and solar is boosting electricity rates. Der Spiegel reports that 200,000 long-term unemployed lost power in 2011 because they couldn’t pay their electric bills."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-lane-liberals-green-energy-contradictions/2012/10/15/8c251ba2-16e6-11e2-8792-cf5305eddf60_story.html

 

[ChesusRice]

i know and it drives me mad we've had the clean burning nearly unlimited fuel source for decades now and they're off wasting money sticking windmills up

One of the biggest backers of wind power is some Old guy named T. Boone Pickens

In June 2007, Pickens announced the intention to build the world's largest wind farm by installing large wind turbines in parts of four Texas Panhandle counties. The project would produce up to four gigawatts of electricity. Pickens' Mesa Power LP will undertake the construction. If completed, the farm would generate more than five times the 735 megawatts produced at the present largest such farm near Abilene, according to Susan Williams Sloan, spokesman for the American Wind Energy Association.[SUP][54]

[/SUP]You may of course know him for something else

Natural gasPickens has been speaking out on the issue of peak oil, claiming that world oil production is about to enter a period of irrevocable decline. He has called for the construction of more nuclear power plants, the use of natural gas to power the country's transportation systems, and the promotion of alternative energy. Pickens's involvement with the natural gas fueling campaign is long-running. He formed Pickens Fuel Corp. in 1997 and began touting natural gas as the best vehicular fuel alternative because it is a domestic resource that, among many advantages, is cleaner-burning (Natural Gas Vehicles or NGVs emit up to 30% less pollution than gasoline or diesel vehicles) and reduces foreign oil consumption. Reincorporated as Clean Energy Fuels Corp. in 2001, the company now owns and operates natural gas fueling stations from British Columbia to the Mexican border.

 

[Harrekin]

half life of nuclear waste (from modern reactors) is a few hundreds of years a similar time period to how long co2 will stick in atmosphere and tiny tiny amounts of radioactive waste compared to the huge amount of co2 generated by fossil fuels

firing to the moon is a silly idea though dangerous stuff to shoot up in rockets

Lol, are you honestly comparing radioactive waste with CO2 and having radioactive waste come out on top? You know a half life means it reduces by half every few hundred years, right? One becomes 1/2, 1/2 becomes 1/4, 1/4 becomes 1/8...it takes a very very very long time to return to baseline levels. Also carbon dioxide isn't taken into the body and used wrongly, for example, radioactive caesium is used as calcium by the body.

Your credibility is forever fucked now, sorry bro.