Global warming pauses... for sixteen years

[canndo]

Let me ask you global warming nuts a question....

How long does it have to plateau or dip for you to STFU???

In the 70's the global warming psycho's found that they could not substantiate their data so they flipped over to global cooling psycho's...

Now we are back to a global warming scare...

Cant make up your fucking minds...

Again and again we see this "well first they said it was cooling, then they said it was warming - Bwahaha, they are sooo stupid, you can't trust science because they are always changing their mind".

How long will it have to keep warming before you naysayers decide that maybe we have the evidence and maybe it is warming and maybe we are doing it?

the last decade was the hottest decade on record, CO2 concentrations continue to rise and are now well above anything we have seen in core samples from the last five hundred thousand years.

there is no "plateau" and even if there was, it would indicate nothing. It would invalidate your folks theories that the sun did it.

 

[FreedomWorks]

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[canndo]

Phil Jones one of the climate change alarmists originally said a pause of 15 years would cause "worry" about the whole global warming hypothesis. Now that we have passed that threshold he has moved the goal posts. Surprise!

My guess is that the AGW crowd won't change their stance till they have icicles hanging off their balls.

"Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, who found himself at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ scandal over leaked emails three years ago, would not normally be expected to agree with her. Yet on two important points, he did."

"Yet in 2009, when the plateau was already becoming apparent and being discussed by scientists, he told a colleague in one of the Climategate emails: ‘Bottom line: the “no upward trend” has to continue for a total of 15 years before we get worried.’"
http://reason.com/blog/2012/10/15/a-16-year-pause-in-global-warming

http://news.yahoo.com/did-global-warming-really-stop-1997-151639721.html


there is no plateau.

 

[canndo]

Can't refute what I say so you had better characterize it, change my quote, and dismiss it. As is nearly always the way the right deals with confronatations with reality.

 

[ginjawarrior]

You can Wiki that yourself, or ask the Japanese people...nuclear has done nothing but shit all over their country.

lol fukishima?

• fukishima was one of the oldest running reactors
• it was hit by one of the biggest earthquakes ever recorded
• so big that it moved japan 2.4m eastwards
• sunk the area around the the reactors buy 0.5m
• was bit by a stinking great big tsunami (measured at 14m at reactor site)

despite all of those things, all the main parts of the station (reactor pressure vessel, cooling system, control system, emergency shutdown) were still functioning it was human error in poor placement of the back up generators that started the death spiral (can you imagine a power station anywhere around the world that hasnt reviewed their procedures after fukishima?)

yes there was a radiation leak but the events that caused it showed a "standard nuclear power station" take pretty much the worst nature could throw at it and only after that a combination of "avoidable" events was the cause of the leak

no one has died from the fukishima accident.
while there is an exclusion zone around the plant its not a barren waste land, and the wildlife is predicted to thrive in the absence of humans

there are still very many of a similar design of fukishima but if it takes such a big event followed by a chain of mistakes to break them open then i consider them clean.

now we can build reactors that you can walk away from without a moments notice and they will never blow up. put one of them in same situation as fukishima and nothing would happen

 

[FreedomWorks]

Can't refute what I say so you had better characterize it, change my quote, and dismiss it. As is nearly always the way the right deals with confronatations with reality.

LOL. Can't have some fun with you? You remind me so much of her its astonishing. Name 3 things you like most about Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

 

[canndo]

LOL. Can't have some fun with you? You remind me so much of her its astonishing. Name 3 things you like most about Debbie Wasserman Schultz?

She is spunky, she has interesting teeth and I like her slight lisp.

 

[cannabineer]

And yet Nuclear can contribute to global warming simply by..... warming the atmosphere. (I doubt it is much)

You aroused my curiosity.
I found a publication that estimates natural (geothermal) global heat loss at about 44 terawatts.
http://www.unicamp.br/fea/ortega/extensao/Stein.pdf
Current artificial energy use is estimated at fifteen terawatts (200.
We're catching up with the entire planetary surface as a heat source!
(But all this pales in significance to the amount of energy we absorb from the sun, which is over a hundred thousand terawatts.) cn

 

[ginjawarrior]

I thought NASA already came out with a paper explaining climate hysteria is caused by Sun spot activity?

no it hasn't

 

[ginjawarrior]

And yet Nuclear can contribute to global warming simply by..... warming the atmosphere. (I doubt it is much)

lol i doubt its much too and not sure if it would be more than conventional power stations (all coal and nuclear do is heat water to produce energy)

side note: windfarms causing warming?

"New research finds that wind farms actually warm up the surface of the land underneath them during the night, a phenomena that could put a damper on efforts to expand wind energy as a green energy solution."

http://news.discovery.com/earth/hot-wind-farms-120429.html

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Ginja,
Look up "Why NASA keeps a close eye on the Sun's irradiance." Typical liberal shill.

 

[canndo]

You aroused my curiosity.
I found a publication that estimates natural (geothermal) global heat loss at about 44 terawatts.
http://www.unicamp.br/fea/ortega/extensao/Stein.pdf
Current artificial energy use is estimated at fifteen terawatts (200.
We're catching up with the entire planetary surface as a heat source!
(But all this pales in significance to the amount of energy we absorb from the sun, which is over a hundred thousand terawatts.) cn

Thanks for doing all that work Canna. So we are producing just heat as well eh? Being that we reflect less and less heat because of global warming, we are contributing even more to the effect.


I do wonder how long the right will be able to defend themselves as crops repeatedly shrivel, the island of manhattan shrinks, rivers become memories and ski resorts start going bankrupt. Naaah, coincidence.

 

[Red1966]

So Canndo's fix for every problem is to raise taxes. Ignore the 5 fold increase in fuel availability due to fracking, ignore the consequences of overpricing fuel to the consumer so liberals can buy votes of the ignorant poor. Just tax, tax, tax. The liberals answer to everything.

 

[canndo]

I thought NASA already came out with a paper explaining climate hysteria is caused by Sun spot activity?

See how this happens? this is a part of the "that was debunked" cycle. Someone puts out a paper that is reviewed by the science editor of a paper. The headline reads "SUN SPOTS CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING". The article is spread through social media but no one anywhere actually reads anything but the headline. It happens to be what they already believe anyway (global warming is a hoax, or manmade global warming is a more believable hoax), so they incorporate that bit of misinformation into their ideological set of evidence and the issue is settled. Sunspots cause global warming, and all the scientists that believe otherwise are just out after all that lucious grant money, because after all, everyone is perfectly willing to compromise their personal integrity for a few extra dollars, right?

Now we don't have to think about it or research it any more and anyone on a conversational site like this one is a fool to believe other than what the original ideology offers because it is now "common knowlege".

and so it goes.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Ginja,
Look up "Why NASA keeps a close eye on the Sun's irradiance." Typical liberal shill.

ok looked it up read it now tell me the part where it says any of this?

Originally Posted by Canna Sylvan

I thought NASA already came out with a paper explaining climate hysteria is caused by Sun spot activity?

 

[Red1966]

lol fukishima?

• fukishima was one of the oldest running reactors
• it was hit by one of the biggest earthquakes ever recorded
• so big that it moved japan 2.4m eastwards
• sunk the area around the the reactors buy 0.5m
• was bit by a stinking great big tsunami (measured at 14m at reactor site)

despite all of those things, all the main parts of the station (reactor pressure vessel, cooling system, control system, emergency shutdown) were still functioning it was human error in poor placement of the back up generators that started the death spiral (can you imagine a power station anywhere around the world that hasnt reviewed their procedures after fukishima?) yes there was a radiation leak but the events that caused it showed a "standard nuclear power station" take pretty much the worst nature could throw at it and only after that a combination of "avoidable" events was the cause of the leak no one has died from the fukishima accident. while there is an exclusion zone around the plant its not a barren waste land, and the wildlife is predicted to thrive in the absence of humans there are still very many of a similar design of fukishima but if it takes such a big event followed by a chain of mistakes to break them open then i consider them clean. now we can build reactors that you can walk away from without a moments notice and they will never blow up. put one of them in same situation as fukishima and nothing would happen

So, while the reactor did leak radiation all over the place, some how that doesn't count because the design was good? I heard there were 50-100 workers at the plant who did die while heroically attempting to contain the leak. Some died right away, some shortly after, and some more will die in the near future from radiation poisoning. A leaking reactor is a clean reactor? What rubbish!

 

[cannabineer]

Thanks for doing all that work Canna. So we are producing just heat as well eh? Being that we reflect less and less heat because of global warming, we are contributing even more to the effect.


I do wonder how long the right will be able to defend themselves as crops repeatedly shrivel, the island of manhattan shrinks, rivers become memories and ski resorts start going bankrupt. Naaah, coincidence.

You mean you didn't know? They will use leftists as sandbags. "To each according to our need; from each according to his porosity." cn

 

[ginjawarrior]

So, while the reactor did leak radiation all over the place, some how that doesn't count because the design was good? I heard there were 50-100 workers at the plant who did die while heroically attempting to contain the leak. Some died right away, some shortly after, and some more will die in the near future from radiation poisoning. A leaking reactor is a clean reactor? What rubbish!

2 (i think) workers died from being crushed not radiation

a couple of workers did receive a very high dose a week or so later

50-100 is a fabrication whoever told you that was having you on

"all the main parts of the station (reactor pressure vessel, cooling system, control system, emergency shutdown)"

if the emergency generatorshad of been placed higher then none of this would have happened

 

[desert dude]

lol fukishima?

• fukishima was one of the oldest running reactors
• it was hit by one of the biggest earthquakes ever recorded
• so big that it moved japan 2.4m eastwards
• sunk the area around the the reactors buy 0.5m
• was bit by a stinking great big tsunami (measured at 14m at reactor site)

despite all of those things, all the main parts of the station (reactor pressure vessel, cooling system, control system, emergency shutdown) were still functioning it was human error in poor placement of the back up generators that started the death spiral (can you imagine a power station anywhere around the world that hasnt reviewed their procedures after fukishima?)

yes there was a radiation leak but the events that caused it showed a "standard nuclear power station" take pretty much the worst nature could throw at it and only after that a combination of "avoidable" events was the cause of the leak

no one has died from the fukishima accident.
while there is an exclusion zone around the plant its not a barren waste land, and the wildlife is predicted to thrive in the absence of humans

there are still very many of a similar design of fukishima but if it takes such a big event followed by a chain of mistakes to break them open then i consider them clean.

now we can build reactors that you can walk away from without a moments notice and they will never blow up. put one of them in same situation as fukishima and nothing would happen

Wildlife is thriving around Chernobyl! Wolves have moved in. The place looks like a paradise. There are still high levels of radioactivity there, though.

 

[cannabineer]

So, while the reactor did leak radiation all over the place, some how that doesn't count because the design was good? I heard there were 50-100 workers at the plant who did die while heroically attempting to contain the leak. Some died right away, some shortly after, and some more will die in the near future from radiation poisoning. A leaking reactor is a clean reactor? What rubbish!

I heard otherwise. Source for this please? cn