The Main-Lining Thread

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frankfast

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Woot Woot got my 7 gallon smart pots, trays, always have 2 gal pots around, 14-2 wire, can't seem to find any heavy duty mator cages around here though :( , , if anyone knows where i can get some offline please let me know
 
Sevren

Sevren

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Random question for those that might know. While reading random threads and digging for some info, I came across this bit of info a few times, but I don't think it was elaborated on much. Or maybe I just didn't dig far enough. Cooler temps give a better chance of germinating females, in the 72-75 range I think it was. Is this just in germination or the entire veg cycle?
 
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whitey78

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I know you guys have covered mainlining from clone etc.... but I recently noticed something on spacedawg clone I took. But let me explain how I take my first clone from a seeded plant which obviously isnt too complicated but more about when. Anyhow these few pics show what I went after for this run which is really just want to get some keeper phenos and some buds for myself as quick as possible while still geting some kind of yield..... I do a topped plant, but using 2 nodes/4 branches to get 4 main cola's and some smaller branches that put out some ok buds, rather than what you guys are doing with your mainlining technique.


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Anyhow.... when I run a plant from seed, I usually wait until I get 6-7-8 nodes (maybe more, I dont really count I just wait until I can get a decent sized clone and leave myself some branch sets below the 2 sets I need for taking clones later) and chop off the top 3 or 4 or so to use as my first clone, after the chop this leaves me my 2 upper sets of branches that I will work with (as you can see in the pics above this paragraph) and it will usually leave me 2 more sets of branches below that so once the plant grows a little after removing the top, I can grab anything decent below my needed 4 branches for however many more clones I can get out of it.

Now I know you guys dont do this because it may interfere with your techniqu.... On top of that, if you were to wait until you got that many nodes and chopped all the way down to the first node, you'd be taking a whole lot of plant possibly causing a herm??? Maybe? I dont know but the thing I wanted to share with you guys that I figured out the other day when looking at one of my "top clones" is that the top of the plant still has several sets of parallel nodes on it, so now I have a f2 clone of one of my space dawg clones which I can now chop the top again making it an F3, root that top/clone again that still has parallel nodes on her, root it, chop the top again, root it making it an f4....and so on until they no longer have parallel sets of nodes left on her.... There was way to many pages for me to sift through to see if you guys already tried this or there was some reason you hadnt been doing it but I am gonna use the one in the pic below as my first shot at mainlining nugbuckets style rather than the way I have been doing it.....

And this plant is looking a tad bit droopy because I watered her before taking these pics....

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Hey nugs, this is one of my AOS' girls I was lucky enough to get out of 3 beans I popped (3f's out of 3 aos beans) but the other 2 are not pictured here, those 2 pics below are of the same plant but I was wondering if this looks like a BCS dom pheno? I know its kinda tough to say when they are in veg but the other 2 look much, much different than this one.... I have had JTR dom chernobyls which is what the other 2 kinda remind me of a little but again, I know its tough to tell anything before a couple weeks into 12/12 but I was just curious if this one looked anything like the ones you ran.....

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nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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Sevren said:
Random question for those that might know. While reading random threads and digging for some info, I came across this bit of info a few times, but I don't think it was elaborated on much. Or maybe I just didn't dig far enough. Cooler temps give a better chance of germinating females, in the 72-75 range I think it was. Is this just in germination or the entire veg cycle?
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this is correct imho.....germinate without a heat mat, (or what i do is put a stack of towels on a heat mat, then my plastic "shoebox" with my rapid rooters and seeds)......place thermometer inside box, and regulate the temp to 72 degrees.....i use the heat mat with 2-3 inches of folded towel because normal room temps on the floor is about 65......after they pop, and are transplanted, maintain 75 degrees through early veg, and sex.....the idea here is never let them get hot and stress, thus causing them to male out....it is the real deal....you will end up with more females if you germ and veg with "room" temps.....also, never use "red" light during germ and veg, it simulates the late summer sun, and will force more males.....use an overall spectrum of around 5000K.....all this has been proven many times over, and all the top growers that work reg seeds use these principles to their advantage.
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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^^^^sorry bro, but you lost me on the F-2/3/4 talk....having trouble visualizing.....may be too early this morning.....need coffee.....
 
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whitey78

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my bad nugs..... but take the top of a seedling thats 8 or 9 nodes tall.....chop the top off so you have a clone like the one I posted above (Ill post it again here).... Now you have the original plant you started with from seed with 4 nodes or whatever left on that to work with....ok..... now the clone that I took which is an F2 (no need to get into that...confusing I admit...) has 3 of 4 sets of parallel nodes on it that once rooted, you can again chop the top off of it to make into another clone leaving you a clone with 1 node/2 branches on it IE the perfect start to a mainlined plant rather than trying to let a normal clone grow until you get a couple nodes as close together as possible to work with.....

Look at the nodes on this clone... see how that bottom node/set of branches is perfect for the beginnings of a mainlined plant? That is a clone... not a seedling.... Now where I got a stupid with F29 and 1/2's and all that is now if I chop everything off above that bottom set of branches, I can then root that and seeing there is still a couple more sets of parallel nodes there to work with, you can basically root the same clone just leaving the bottom set of branches to do your thing with.... Today I am going to plant that clone in a 7 gal smarty and I'll try to explain it with pics a little better, again...sorry for making hard to understand.....

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Where that red line is, chop from there up and take that and root that into a clone leaving whats below the red line to start the mainlining process with.....

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nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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sure bro....it is simply "early cloning"....i do that all the time....it is just getting as many clones off a young plant before it goes asymetrical, whether you take the meri-stem, or the axial branches...when a young plant is pruned for 4, with the two clones left on below the hub, they will still be symetrical (the cuts)...this is part of the whole Main-Lining concept....to "early clone" so that we have symmetry to work with, whether we are working a seed plant, or a clone from a young seed plant.....
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nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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when we refer to Main-Lining from clone...it is helpful to differentiate between a late or early clone, because not all clones are asymetrical....thanks for bringing this up....
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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in a few days i will be taking a bunch of "early" symetrical clones...i will make sure i snap a few shots....thanks again....
 
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whitey78

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I gotcha nugs..... It was just I havent been on RIU too much up until recently and I had been hitting up this thread as it was going along but I wasnt going to be doing any mainlining like you are so I figured I'd wait until I was going to get started but I must have missed that part about early and late clones.... I thought you guys were only running from seed or with a normal "late" clone but the only one time I saw you giving some instruction to someone starting a mainline from clone it was from a late clone and you were telling them to try to get the first topping in when 2 nodes got as close to symmetrical as possible which made sense to me but I just wasnt there yet...... sorry for thinking I had found something you hadnt dude....LOL...

However, I am looking forward to mainlining the shit out of that spacedawg clone pictured in my post above along with one more space dawg and the 4 cheese quake and 3 Ace fems I have going however those are going to have to go from "late clones" but I'm not complaining... I got really lucky this time around as far as the female to male ratio 9 out of 13 planted.... 3 out of 3 AOS turned female and I really would have been happy with that, 4 out of 5 cheese quakes..... the cannagods were on my side this time I think, LOL....

Anyhow have a good day nugs, thanks for clearing that up for me..... Not even 10am and I already dun learned sumthin......
 
nugbuckets

nugbuckets

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whitey78 said:
I gotcha nugs..... It was just I havent been on RIU too much up until recently and I had been hitting up this thread as it was going along but I wasnt going to be doing any mainlining like you are so I figured I'd wait until I was going to get started but I must have missed that part about early and late clones.... I thought you guys were only running from seed or with a normal "late" clone but the only one time I saw you giving some instruction to someone starting a mainline from clone it was from a late clone and you were telling them to try to get the first topping in when 2 nodes got as close to symmetrical as possible which made sense to me but I just wasnt there yet...... sorry for thinking I had found something you hadnt dude....LOL...

However, I am looking forward to mainlining the shit out of that spacedawg clone pictured in my post above along with one more space dawg and the 4 cheese quake and 3 Ace fems I have going however those are going to have to go from "late clones" but I'm not complaining... I got really lucky this time around as far as the female to male ratio 9 out of 13 planted.... 3 out of 3 AOS turned female and I really would have been happy with that, 4 out of 5 cheese quakes..... the cannagods were on my side this time I think, LOL....

Anyhow have a good day nugs, thanks for clearing that up for me..... Not even 10am and I already dun learned sumthin......
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cool....if you are working symetrical clones (like you are)...you are way ahead of the game....the best way to begin ML'ing imo......nice work.
 
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MyHead

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Hello nugs i have a question ... :Dive main linned 4 of my plants 4 heads each plant they look like on the picture (i had no camera xD)do i have to remove the understory...old roots(cut these bitchez and let main cola grow huge :P -if i remove them can waste energy of my plant that she put to manufacture roots?) or just let them grow... they also can be a popcorn buds right? (long stems) also xD they havent much light under main cola leaves(btw my girls arent so huge as yours only 3 or 4 weeks veg[11l pots] now i switched fp on 12/12 i hope they grow up moreI hope u understand me sry for my weak englishCya and peace thanks for reply http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/nonamepicturer.jpg/
 
Rrog

Rrog

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There's a wild consistency, uniformity and repeatability about your work. That could never happen if you weren't a thinking / planning sorta guy.
 
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