Why Republicans are effing morons by Jack Handy

Canna Sylvan

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Government doesn't make laws. People made government, therefore people make laws. Government doesn't exist. It's only some fool sitting behind glass in front of a computer. They tell you what the "rules" are.Even if they're wrong,wtf you gonna do about it?
 

NLXSK1

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NL,
Providing a "safe environment" can be done by private entities and much more efficient.Government is accountable to no one.Private companies are accountable to their investor.Government has all citizens as an investor,it's accountable to all,but no one
Without government I would just create a private entity that raided other companies and sold off their goods. It is known as piracy. How do the other companies protect themselves without government?

Since there would be no government there would be no laws against piracy. Therefore it would be mob rule...

How do you assure fairness between companies without some outside agency?
 

Canna Sylvan

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Those are corrupt private entities. Corrupt government doesn't exist? How do you get a fair government without an outside government? Who watches the watchers? Unless we're all watchers. Government needs to be free source.
 

NLXSK1

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Those are corrupt private entities. Corrupt government doesn't exist? How do you get a fair government without an outside government? Who watches the watchers? Unless we're all watchers. Government needs to be free source.
I have no idea what that means....
 

deprave

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There are limitations to free trade. Can you trade people or children???

The government provides a safe environment for free trade and certain restrictions to allow the playing field to be fair. However, the government can also make the playing field unfair.

Things like Ethanol subsidies alter the market forces.

Things like grants to green energy projects like Solyndra make the playing field unfair.

Things like demanding the banking system issue a certain percentage of low income loans make the playing field unfair.

Those are the types of things that manipulate the market.
"Safe Enviroment" = Corrupt Monopoly which distorts the free market? Don't think so. You seem to understand that the government taints the "free market", this is inevetible, So thanks for supporting my argument? Was this supposed to be a counter or you agree with me? I am a little confused.
 

NLXSK1

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"Safe Enviroment" = Corrupt Monopoly which distorts the free market? Don't think so. You seem to understand that the government taints the "free market", this is inevetible, So thanks for supporting my argument? Was this supposed to be a counter or you agree with me? I am a little confused.
The government does not participate in the market, it is not a company or a producer. We are talking philisophically about the functions of entities, there was no assumption of corruption.

If you do not have government, you have anarchy. Companies cannot conduct free and fair trade in anarchy.

I am teaching you...
 

deprave

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Without government I would just create a private entity that raided other companies and sold off their goods. It is known as piracy. How do the other companies protect themselves without government?
Its not called PIRACY, its called the government, this is one thing the government does, raid people and sell off their goods, why should they have a monopoly on this especially when they aren't held accountable?

Since there would be no government there would be no laws against piracy. Therefore it would be mob rule...
Moral rules can be upheld without a government, with a government they aren't upheld by guees who? The government. The same moral rules they police they aren't accountable for.

How do you assure fairness between companies without some outside agency?
With agencies?

When everyone is held accountable to the same moral principles then there is fairness, when there is a government there is not fairness because they alone are not held accountable.
 

NLXSK1

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Lets put it a different way...

You have a company and I have a company. Instead of competing in a marketplace I just send my workers over to your house, kill you and your family and take all of your materials and machinery for myself.

End of story...
 

brotherjericho

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The year is 2012, it continues..."Republicans" have been convinced for decades that you can have a free market and a massive government at the same time.. They are somehow convinced that with this false free market money will just trickle down.

I remain convinced that they are effing morons, a big government is going to change the market regardless by its very nature, a government that prints money is obviously going to be bribed into corrupt regulations. So If your going to be an authoritarian you might as well be a democrat or I'm convinced your an effing moron or you've been had.

-Deep Thoughts by Jack Handy
And here I was avoiding this thread because I thought it was a liberal rant. Yes, it is moronic to believe big central government is effective.
 

deprave

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The government does not participate in the market, it is not a company or a producer. We are talking philisophically about the functions of entities, there was no assumption of corruption.

If you do not have government, you have anarchy. Companies cannot conduct free and fair trade in anarchy.

I am teaching you...
by forming your own line of reasoning without explainign yourself your teaching me? This is counter to what you said, that regulations interfere with the market. You throw in some magic words like anarchy, fair trade, and some ridiculous logic such as "there is no assumption of corruption". You can't even explain yourself.
 

deprave

New Member
Lets put it a different way...

You have a company and I have a company. Instead of competing in a marketplace I just send my workers over to your house, kill you and your family and take all of your materials and machinery for myself.

End of story...
Do you believe there can't be independent arbiters or justice without a government? Why do you believe such silliness? How do you come to that point? Walk me through it. Where is the goberment magic I am missing? What makes you a special saintly being that can do no wrong and deserves special privlages when you put on a blue suit and a hat that says "I'm with the government"? Why can you then defy laws?
 

NLXSK1

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Do you believe there can't be independent arbiters or justice without a government? Why do you believe such silliness? How do you come to that point? Walk me through it.
You are dead, your assets have been taken by me. Where is the justice going to come from? Where are the independent arbiters going to come from? What power do these arbiters wield? What document gives them this power?

It doesnt really matter to me, you are dead and I am much richer. Everyone wins!!
 

deprave

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You are dead, your assets have been taken by me. Where is the justice going to come from? Where are the independent arbiters going to come from? What power do these arbiters wield? What document gives them this power?

It doesnt really matter to me, you are dead and I am much richer. Everyone wins!!
You can go ahead and read up on all the ideas people have had of how justice would be handled, there is lots of reasonable ideas, I'm not going to follow your little fantasy but to put it in short. They will kill you for what you have done and probably return the assets to my family. Point is, you don't need government to have justice.

again:

What makes you a special saintly being that can do no wrong and deserves special privileges when you put on a blue suit and a hat that says "I'm with the government"? Why can you then defy laws?
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
You can go ahead and read up on all the ideas people have had of how justice would be handled, there is lots of reasonable ideas, I'm not going to follow your little fantasy but to put it in short. They will kill you for what you have done and probably return the assets to my family. Point is, you don't need government to have justice.

again:

What makes you a special saintly being that can do no wrong and deserves special privileges when you put on a blue suit and a hat that says "I'm with the government"? Why can you then defy laws?
Who is going to kill me? I have workers willing to murder for me... That is sufficient deterrent.

If there are independent arbiters (you just created an agency by suggesting this) then I bribe or kill them too!

Your family is dead so there is no one to return the assets to.

There is no justice because the strongest person rules through despotism... See, government creates itself...
 

NLXSK1

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  • Point is, you don't need government to have justice.​




Let me come at this from a 3rd angle.

Point out to me a circumstance where people have lived without government and had 'Justice' and it was successful. What country or region has this type of community?
 

deprave

New Member
Who is going to kill me? I have workers willing to murder for me... That is sufficient deterrent.

If there are independent arbiters (you just created an agency by suggesting this) then I bribe or kill them too!

Your family is dead so there is no one to return the assets to.

There is no justice because the strongest person rules through despotism... See, government creates itself...
Private defense and court firms would likely be much more powerful then some individual , they would likely have agreements with each other and they will be supported by a strong network of parties of interest. You would not stand a chance.
 

deprave

New Member
Let me come at this from a 3rd angle.

Point out to me a circumstance where people have lived without government and had 'Justice' and it was successful. What country or region has this type of community?
There isn't one because of corruption, propaganda, etc... Whats your point? You can't even answer the rest of my questions or explain yourself.


EDIT:

Correction, You can't even address ONE of my points or answer ONE of my questions, not one! Pathetic.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
Private defense and court firms would likely be much more powerful then some individual , they would likely have agreements with each other and they will be supported by a strong network of parties of interest. You would not stand a chance.
What is a court firm? What jurisdiction does one have over me? If I am rich enough I can just bribe them...

Here is the problem with your argument... Government is not inherently corrupt or moral, nor is private business inherently corrupt or moral.

Men and women are moral or corrupt and usually not exclusively either one. And those men and women form groups such as government, private business, unions, etc. And through group action based on the morality or corruptness that group conducts business.

What you seem to have missed from that quote above is that MASSIVE government is corrupt. And it is because the workers inside the government are not accountable for anything. Just look at the Libya mess. Nobody has been fired or resigned from their job. If someone is doing a job so badly that people die, dont you think that person should be replaced? Yet it has been over a month and nobody seems accountable for the actions leading up to those people's deaths.

There has to be some form and sort of government because without it there are no uniform rules and laws governing the society. A smaller more accountable government would not necessarily be more *just* however, it can be much more accountable. Which is why I continually advocate federal powers being passed back to the states and state powers be passed back to the counties, etc.

A society of any size cannot exist without a government.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
There isn't one because of corruption, propaganda, etc... Whats your point? You can't even answer the rest of my questions or explain yourself.


EDIT:

Correction, You can't even address ONE of my points or answer ONE of my questions, not one! Pathetic.


  • hat makes you a special saintly being that can do no wrong and deserves special privileges when you put on a blue suit and a hat that says "I'm with the government"? Why can you then defy laws?







Being with the government gives you no special powers.

I am not sure what laws you think the government can defy. It is such a vague question there is no answer.
 

deprave

New Member
What is a court firm? What jurisdiction does one have over me? If I am rich enough I can just bribe them...

Here is the problem with your argument... Government is not inherently corrupt or moral, nor is private business inherently corrupt or moral.

Men and women are moral or corrupt and usually not exclusively either one. And those men and women form groups such as government, private business, unions, etc. And through group action based on the morality or corruptness that group conducts business.

What you seem to have missed from that quote above is that MASSIVE government is corrupt. And it is because the workers inside the government are not accountable for anything. Just look at the Libya mess. Nobody has been fired or resigned from their job. If someone is doing a job so badly that people die, dont you think that person should be replaced? Yet it has been over a month and nobody seems accountable for the actions leading up to those people's deaths.

There has to be some form and sort of government because without it there are no uniform rules and laws governing the society. A smaller more accountable government would not necessarily be more *just* however, it can be much more accountable. Which is why I continually advocate federal powers being passed back to the states and state powers be passed back to the counties, etc.

A society of any size cannot exist without a government.
No government (massive or small) is held accountable and up to the standards it holds others, That's the whole point...its a monopoly on power and coercision. Government is MADE of people.

This is the same as me pointing at a penguin and saying "That's not a penguin" ...When Clearly its a penguin....Government is not some magical word, its not some sort of deity...
 
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