Canna Sylvan
Well-Known Member
If Pad wants to pretend he's a lemming, I won't stop him.I thought all life was precious to you? Aren't you a Holy Vegan?
If Pad wants to pretend he's a lemming, I won't stop him.I thought all life was precious to you? Aren't you a Holy Vegan?
That's a March Hare. If you eat it you'll go mad. Mad as a hatter.I dunno why but that bunny is looking more and more delicious everytime I see it...
Hypocrite.If Pad wants to pretend he's a lemming, I won't stop him.
Is that really true? Like a good mad or zombie eating face mad?That's a March Hare. If you eat it you'll go mad. Mad as a hatter.![]()
we had a pretty clear choice. the one guy wanted to make abortion illegal and the other guy didn't.Thank God O'Bama is back in the White House. This bat shittery almost became law.
you make some really good points, but in the end i simply trust the woman to make the right decision.So a 39 week old fetus (that has a beating heart, sleep/wake cycles, opens and shuts its eyes, sucks its thumb, yawns, kicks, grabs things, responds to voices, and would be a "baby" immediately ex utero) isn't "alive" then? OK. .
This is absurd.
All law is consensual morality. Otherwise, as you say, what's wrong with killing abortion doctors or gays? Abortion law reflects a democratic consensus of adult voters.
Next, abortion term restriction isn't "arbitrary"; in most jurisdictions the law is specifically set at a gestational age believed to reflect the minimum possible age a fetus could survive outside the womb. How the procedure is actually done is dependent on gestational age too, and the older the fetus the harder it is to do the procedure AND the more risky to the mother. (Yes, while generally safer than childbirth, abortion isn't risk-free, either).
Lastly, setting the max gestational age at 25 weeks in practice isn't really the limiting factor. By that time the mother has had fully six months to come to terms with pregnancy and make a decision. That's not exactly a "rush" decision, depriving a woman of "control".
As a matter of practice, something like 90% of abortions are done before the end of 12 weeks, and only a little more than 1% after 20 weeks. In most cases, the really late term abortions are done when a serious defect comes to light, and those typically aren't detectable until after the end of the first trimester.
"back"? did he leave?Thank God O'Bama is back in the White House. This bat shittery almost became law.
Trust me when I say some women are stupid...really really fucking stupid.you make some really good points, but in the end i simply trust the woman to make the right decision.
if my sarcasm to others and to you hasn't made it clear, i don't think that women are treating the beings growing inside of them like leftover chinese food, i think they are fully aware of the gravity of their decision. way more than any of us penis wielders are, at least.
Unless you've seen the damage a suicide leaves behind, you really shouldn't have an opinion...just IMO.Harrekin,
I see nothing wrong with suicide. It's your body. Abortion is different than drugs or suicide. If done properly, those actions only harm the one doing the act. I'm only against acts which harm a third party without consent.
How many day old new born babies can "survive on their own" ?idk, if a fetus can't survive outside of the mothers womb on it's own, it's kind of hard to call it a living thing imo.. anything like cannabineer said, third trimester or so is pretty bad as i believe you're killing something that could survive outside of the uterus ...
but yah, i think it's trying to control a women's body for sure... most people who don't want to carry to term usually have some pretty solid reasons for doing so, ie, they're young, don't have good jobs, etc, or plain old don't won't a kid right now.. have you ever tried growing up knowing that your parents didn't want you? it's no good to say the least..
people always bitch about people on welfare and programs like wic et al, but then they at the same time don't want to allow abortions.. idk, i don't get it..
how many 2 year olds? 5 year olds? 18 year olds?How many day old new born babies can "survive on their own" ?
Good question. However my point in the above post was that "survival on its own" may not be the best criteria for determining if something is alive or not.how many 2 year olds? 5 year olds? 18 year olds?
I am with you on that, just slow on the edit. It doesn't make sense to me to argue that 26 year olds need to be on their parents insurance because they can't take care of themselves at such a young tender age but it's cool to kill a fetus at X amount of weeks because they can't take care of themselves.Good question. However my point in the above post was that "survival on its own" may not be the best criteria for determining if something is alive or not.
"Alive" isn't the criterion! The ovum was alive, after all.So a 39 week old fetus (that has a beating heart, sleep/wake cycles, opens and shuts its eyes, sucks its thumb, yawns, kicks, grabs things, responds to voices, and would be a "baby" immediately ex utero) isn't "alive" then? OK. .
This is incorrect. Conception occurs in week three, the way the convention has been established. The clock starts running over one million seconds before the male's, uhm, consultant gig. So at 25 weeks, month five of there actually being a conceptus has just been finished.This is absurd.
All law is consensual morality. Otherwise, as you say, what's wrong with killing abortion doctors or gays? Abortion law reflects a democratic consensus of adult voters.
Next, abortion term restriction isn't "arbitrary"; in most jurisdictions the law is specifically set at a gestational age believed to reflect the minimum possible age a fetus could survive outside the womb. How the procedure is actually done is dependent on gestational age too, and the older the fetus the harder it is to do the procedure AND the more risky to the mother. (Yes, while generally safer than childbirth, abortion isn't risk-free, either).
Lastly, setting the max gestational age at 25 weeks in practice isn't really the limiting factor.
I would modify your statement about consensual morality and say consensual moral sentiment. It seems like a fine distinction, but it admits (unlike your formulation) the possibility that that moral sentiment can be that of the majority and yet wrong. The laws in '30s Germany were definitely not consensual morality. They definitely were consensual moral sentiment ... raised and herded by skilled media cowhands. cnBy that time the mother has had fully six months to come to terms with pregnancy and make a decision. That's not exactly a "rush" decision, depriving a woman of "control".
As a matter of practice, something like 90% of abortions are done before the end of 12 weeks, and only a little more than 1% after 20 weeks. In most cases, the really late term abortions are done when a serious defect comes to light, and those typically aren't detectable until after the end of the first trimester.
Unless the suicider was using a vest packed with Semtex, that damage is limited to the person offing [him]self. cnUnless you've seen the damage a suicide leaves behind, you really shouldn't have an opinion...just IMO.
Cos it could never effect their young children or anything...Unless the suicider was using a vest packed with Semtex, that damage is limited to the person offing [him]self. cn
To this day, plenty of women commit infanticide, killing or abandoning their babies right after birth.you make some really good points, but in the end i simply trust the woman to make the right decision.
not sure which election you are referring to. none of the presidential candidates wanted to abolish abortion laws as they currently stand.we had a pretty clear choice. the one guy wanted to make abortion illegal and the other guy didn't.
here's to hoping the court tips in the next 4 years.