Zimmerman sues NBC

[desert dude]

I do not know if that testimony is correct. Seeing how polarized the topic has been here, an uncorroborated eyewitness has a lot of power. Allow me to classify this as not established. cn

What do you mean by, "... if that testimony is correct."?

There are at least two witnesses who stated that Martin was on top of Zimm beating him. One of the eye witnesses stated that Zimm was crying out, "help... HELP". The fact that those eye witnesses fully corroborate the physical evidence means nothing though, am I right?

 

[cannabineer]

lol.

Cannabineer: "What did you eat for lunch, Carthoris."
Carthoris : "Lamb Madras."
Cannabineer: "I don't believe you. Was there any witnesses?"
Carthoris : "Just the owner, everyone else was gone for the day."
Cannabineer: "I don't know if you are telling the truth, he could be lying too."

If you can give a reason why the witness is lying, then I can accept that. However, just saying the witness isn't reliable because he is the only witness is pretty odd.

That is where physical evidence becomes important. As a nonjuror, I'm not privy to that. cn

http://news.discovery.com/human/nj-supreme-court-revises-eyewitness-id-rules.html

 

[Carthoris]

Fuck zipperman the dude was just a kid or is it okay just to Kill black kids.

He could of moved away to a place where there were no white people to shoot him.

 

[Carthoris]

I really like butter lamb. A nice big pile of naan with mint chutney. oh yea.. I like to have a nice bowl of rice pudding afterwards.

 

[redivider]

You don't recall correctly. There were two witnesses who stated that Martin was on top of Z beating him "MMA style".

The only injury on Martin was a single bullet hole in his chest, and skinned knuckles. Multiple photos of Zimm speak for themselves, not to mention the police statement and the EMT statements. If you look at the medical reports on Z and Martin, I don't understand how you can conclude that "Martin beat Zimm" is not established. Seriously, CN, how can you doubt these plain facts?

there is no question there was a fight between the two. the thing that will determine guilt is if zimm took an action that set off the chain of events...

the guy could've walked up to trayvonn, asked him something, martin could've responded "FUCK YOU BITCH I DON'T KNOW YOU" and zimm would have had to suck it up.... he had no authority to go up to trayvonn, no need to go up to him asking questions, and he didn't have any basis for engaging in a citizens arrest, because, AGAIN, TRAYVONN HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG. he was walking to his house minding his own business....

 

[Murfy]

he should have bought some land somewhere so that he wouldn't have to be worried about being stalked and killed by mentally unstable vigilantes with histories of violence.

or-

teenagers............

 

[Johnny Retro]

He could of moved away to a place where there were no white people to shoot him.

 

[cannabineer]

What do you mean by, "... if that testimony is correct."?

There are at least two witnesses who stated that Martin was on top of Zimm beating him. One of the eye witnesses stated that Zimm was crying out, "help... HELP". The fact that those eye witnesses fully corroborate the physical evidence means nothing though, am I right?

I can only find one "witness" who said the MMA thing, and he changed his story.
Another witness was initially unsure who was punching whom.
NOBODY saw who started what.
It's worth remembering that eyewitness accounts, be they for or against our preferred version, are low-quality evidence, especially where they don't cleanly line up.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

 

[desert dude]

there is no question there was a fight between the two. the thing that will determine guilt is if zimm took an action that set off the chain of events...

the guy could've walked up to trayvonn, asked him something, martin could've responded "FUCK YOU BITCH I DON'T KNOW YOU" and zimm would have had to suck it up.... he had no authority to go up to trayvonn, no need to go up to him asking questions, and he didn't have any basis for engaging in a citizens arrest, because, AGAIN, TRAYVONN HAD DONE NOTHING WRONG. he was walking to his house minding his own business....

I completely agree with you.

What if Martin punched Z in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground, and then mounted him "MMA style" and proceeded to wail on him and bash his head against the sidewalk? Must Z just "suck it up" in that case? If Martin had done those things, in response to a simple question, had he done anything wrong?

 

[UncleBuck]

...a thieving ghetto thug...

combined with other things you have said about black people and the fact that there is no evidence that martin was a "ghetto thug" nor a thief, this is quite the statement from you.

getting some skittles and iced tea for my little cousin, ghetto life!

pretty bigoted stuff there.

 

[desert dude]

I can only find one "witness" who said the MMA thing, and he changed his story.
Another witness was initially unsure who was punching whom.
NOBODY saw who started what.
It's worth remembering that eyewitness accounts, be they for or against our preferred version, are low-quality evidence, especially where they don't cleanly line up.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

I completely agree. When the eye witness accounts jibe with the physical evidence, they become just a bit more reliable.

 

[UncleBuck]

Funny, I see all your assumptions as "flawed". You pretend you know Zimmerman's thoughts. You don't. Your "CHILD" was 17 and bigger than Zimmerman. Zimmerman may have been out of line, but he didn't start the fight. There is no such word as "logics".

not surprising that you're getting in on the "smear the dead black kid" campaign, stormfront red.

also, no one knows WHO started the fight, but we do know that martin ran away from zimm when zimm tried to chase him down.

you fucking bigot.

 

[cannabineer]

I completely agree with you.

What if Martin punched Z in the face, breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground, and then mounted him "MMA style" and proceeded to wail on him and bash his head against the sidewalk? Must Z just "suck it up" in that case? If Martin had done those things, in response to a simple question, had he done anything wrong?

How about in response to a nonsimple question? I consider it more likely than not that Z's initial address of T lacked a certain courtesy. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

He was not charged until after the community was stirred into a frenzy. NBC collaborated in the stirring, although I tend to agree that NBC is not solely responsible for the frenzy. I'd say two million ought to do the trick for NBC.

"there was no false statement,"... "he chased down a teenager and shot him..." Clearly, you don't recognize a false statement even while you type it.

except that he did chase down martin and shot him. completely true statement, dumbass.

 

[desert dude]

I can only find one "witness" who said the MMA thing, and he changed his story.
Another witness was initially unsure who was punching whom.
NOBODY saw who started what.
It's worth remembering that eyewitness accounts, be they for or against our preferred version, are low-quality evidence, especially where they don't cleanly line up.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

So, this witness has not changed his testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, which jibes with the physical evidence.

"Witness 6This witnesslived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.
But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.
"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.
He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.
He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.
"The black guy was on top," he said."

 

[UncleBuck]

I agree with the first sentence. Zimmerman wanted to be a cop or whatever, this is part of the training. He went out and followed someone he didn't recognize in a gated community that had recent home invasions. His suspect ran, then came back and jumped him. He got the upper hand on him and was beating his head into the ground and punching him. Zimmerman shot him. At no point would Zimmerman of thought "Oh, he is just a kid." Nor should we have expected him to. If your neighborhood was getting robbed and shot up, would you do something about? Would you depend on the cops?

Why would a CHILD be out walking around alone at night? The simple fact is that Martin was a 17 year old thug except in the pictures they released of when he was 12.

Note: I don't know that the boy in the picture above is actually Trayvon.



Note the tattoos on the CHILD.


Did you read his twitter posts? It is all about shooting bitches and fucking hoes. I mean, come on. If you act like a ghetto thug, you are going to get treated like a ghetto thug.

What the fuck kind of parents let their CHILD out at night in the rain when he is suspended for having drugs at school? One that approves of his sons actions or really just doesn't give a fuck.

This CHILD was old enough to join the military and be handed a machine gun but not old enough to know better than beat some guys ass in the middle of the night instead of going home like he should of.

a couple of things get in the way of your uber-racist "smear the dead black kid" campaign:

*no one knows who started the fight, you fucking bigot.

*the picture you posted is false, it is not even trayvon. but i suppose all black people look alike to you, eh bigot?

*the tattoo was a rosary and hands praying dedicated to his nana, you dipshit

*the twitter thing has no relevance on anything and it wasn't even his, idiot.

*martin was going out to the store to get candy for his little cousin, you idiot.

*martin had every right to be out there, the burden is not on the black person to go home, you fucking racist shit.

 

[desert dude]

How about in response to a nonsimple question? I consider it more likely than not that Z's initial address of T lacked a certain courtesy. cn

Maybe so. We will never know. Even if Z was discourteous, is that reasonable justification for a potentially life threatening beating?

 

[UncleBuck]

It also proves that he thought he could do it or he would not have attacked Zimmerman. It doesn't change the fact that Martin attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot Martin because of it. Martin attacking Zimmerman was a felony. Zimmerman was at that point allowed to respond and protect himself. If Zimmerman would not have shot him, Martin would be in jail.

no one knows who attacked who, you racist shit.

we do know that martin RAN AWAY though, and zimmerman said he followed him on multiple occasions.

get your facts straight, you racist bag of shit.

 

[cannabineer]

So, this witness has not changed his testimony that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, which jibes with the physical evidence.

"Witness 6This witnesslived a few feet from where Trayvon and Zimmerman had their fight. On the night of the shooting, he told Serino he saw a black man on top of a lighter-skinned man "just throwing down blows on the guy, MMA-style," a reference to mixed martial arts.
He also said the one calling for help was "the one being beat up," a reference to Zimmerman.
But three weeks later, when he was interviewed by an FDLE agent, the man said he was no longer sure which one called for help.
"I truly can't tell who, after thinking about it, was yelling for help just because it was so dark out on that sidewalk," he said.
He also said he was no longer sure Trayvon was throwing punches. The teenager may have simply been keeping Zimmerman pinned to the ground, he said.
He did not equivocate, though, about who was on top.
"The black guy was on top," he said."

You are entirely ignoring one of my main points: eyewitness testimony is remarkably unreliable. I am not arguing against the sincerity of the witnesses but their correctness. Any witness who adjusts his story cannot have been sure, and that places the entire testimony into reasonable doubt category imo. I don't see this case being decided on witness accounts; the attorneys will shred'em. cn

 

[Carthoris]

combined with other things you have said about black people and the fact that there is no evidence that martin was a "ghetto thug" nor a thief, this is quite the statement from you.

getting some skittles and iced tea for my little cousin, ghetto life!

pretty bigoted stuff there.

There is some evidence that he bought blunts too. Also, he had a lot of jewelry confiscated from him at school as well as screwdrivers. It obviously wasn't his, he never told his parents about it to get it back. Add to that his facebook/twitter names and actions. Yes, you come up with a thieving ghetto thug.