Here it comes - gun control!!!

TroncoChe

Active Member
So, when the impending battle begins, and the US military tanks roll through your front yard, exactly how are you going to stop a tank with your handgun?

Or are you suggesting that you should be able to own a tank too?
I would pop the driver hatch and shoot him, and people already do own tanks.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
So, when the impending battle begins, and the US military tanks roll through your front yard, exactly how are you going to stop a tank with your handgun?

Or are you suggesting that you should be able to own a tank too?
I think the sheer cost of owning and maintaining a current tank would be a bit cost-prohibitive. People would more likely go the IED route. Tanks aren't terribly useful in urban environments though, I'd be more concerned by APC's.
 

TroncoChe

Active Member
1 way locks on the inside of the hatches. You can't just open it. Doesn anyone actually own an operational M1 abrams?
I was in the army, was infantry and rode on bradley's. When I was in Iraq I was attached to a tanker unit. You can open the hatches from the outside.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
when bad stuff happens in the UK there's usually knee-jerk legislation put in. I think thats why we dont have pistols because of a massacre in the 90s or so. and tbh.. i dont think anyone misses them or misses what they dont have... Why Americans feel that ditching pistols is like losing a limb ill never get. Is it just the feeling of spinning it while looking in the mirror and saying do you feel lucky punk?
when handling a firearm while looking in a mirror the accepted trope is to pretend to be Robert Deniro in Taxi Driver, not Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry

all pistols do not "spin", only revolvers have that option.

England is a small nation which has had a long tradition of disarming their populace, the US is neither.

In the US, the cops HAVE to carry guns, since their opposition certainly will be packing heat. neither is true in england.

here in america we are right next door to a corrupt third world kleptocracy with a rampant criminal element and organized violent criminal gangs, as well as a long history of border raids. on the southern border nearly everybody packs heat, if they did not we would have pancho villa style raids all over the southwest on a regular basis.

how many times in your life have you been shot at? if that answer is more than 0, and you still think that you dont need a gun then youre quite well brainwashed.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
I was in the army, was infantry and rode on bradley's. When I was in Iraq I was attached to a tanker unit. You can open the hatches from the outside.
this is puzzling to me, you cannot lock the doors of your tank from the inside? this seems to be a design flaw.

what do you do when you park your tank at the 7-11? (im assuming iraq's 7-11's are owned and operated by americans) do you just hope nobody hotwires it and drives off?

what about when youre stopped at a stoplight and you see a black person in the crosswalk? what do you do then?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
So, when the impending battle begins, and the US military tanks roll through your front yard, exactly how are you going to stop a tank with your handgun?

Or are you suggesting that you should be able to own a tank too?
The East Europeans showed us how it's done. Your premier antitank weapons are towels and gasoline. Enough towels will jam the treads, and then you turn it into a Crock-Pot. Serve'm right for driving a tank against their own.

All highly technical weapons are easy to defeat if you're bold enough. The Sovs broke their teeth on the Afghans, and now it's our turn. The footsoldier remains supreme, and it's his armament that the 2nd covers, to the extreme distaste of the guns-are-bad! contingent. cn
 

TroncoChe

Active Member
this is puzzling to me, you cannot lock the doors of your tank from the inside? this seems to be a design flaw.

what do you do when you park your tank at the 7-11? (im assuming iraq's 7-11's are owned and operated by americans) do you just hope nobody hotwires it and drives off?

what about when youre stopped at a stoplight and you see a black person in the crosswalk? what do you do then?

You do what every red blooded american would do, pray to god!!!

There was a guy that stole a tank years ago and was driving it down the streets crashing into everything. He tried to crash it into a bridge and knock it down. One of the cops was a ex tanker and knew how to open the hatch. That's how they stopped him. It wasn't an m1 abrams tho.


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wheels619

Well-Known Member
I live in Metro Detroit. The murder capital of the US. And guess what, in the 13 years I have lived here, I have not seen a single gun being used or brandished. If someone holds a gun to my head, they want something. Most likely money. I do not feel that getting killed over, or killing someone else over the $200 in my pocket is worth it. They can have my money.

Sure, in your lifetime you could happen upon the crazed gunman in the mall scenario, and then you get to act out your Rambo fantasy in real life, but you have a better chance of winning the lotto twice than you do of that occurring.

IMO, more often than not, guns will unnecessarily escalate a situation that could have been diffused through using common sense.

The wild card is home invasions. I 100% see the justification for keeping a gun at home. That is your castle, and that is your family, and if someone breaks in to your home then all bets are off and deadly force is justifiable.
so what then if i decide to go to a mall or a movie theater and someone starts shooting randomly at people. if im in a reasonable position to take cover and return fire safely i would. it would keep a lot of innocent people from possibly getting injured and or killed. if some fucker snuck up on me and put a gun to my head im not going to react and reach for my gun. thats stupid and suicidal. when u carry a gun u need common sense. id wait till that mother fucker took my shit and turned to leave then id pull my gun in case that fuck came back. no reason to risk my life or others over money. but if i see him coming with a weapon or gun in hand id open up on his ass with a few 9mm rounds from my mag if i had a safe chance to without risking my life or the lives of other innocent people. i can guarantee it.

id rather have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.
 

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
so what then if i decide to go to a mall or a movie theater and someone starts shooting randomly at people. if im in a reasonable position to take cover and return fire safely i would. it would keep a lot of innocent people from possibly getting injured and or killed. if some fucker snuck up on me and put a gun to my head im not going to react and reach for my gun. thats stupid and suicidal. when u carry a gun u need common sense. id wait till that mother fucker took my shit and turned to leave then id pull my gun in case that fuck came back. no reason to risk my life or others over money. but if i see him coming with a weapon or gun in hand id open up on his ass with a few 9mm rounds from my mag if i had a safe chance to without risking my life or the lives of other innocent people. i can guarantee it.

id rather have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

Fair enough, but I contend that with you carrying your gun around you stand a better chance of accidentally discharging the gun and killing another person than you ever would in stopping a would-be assailant in the process of a crime.

There are 200-300 justifiable homicides in the US every year, and 800-900 accidental gun deaths every year.
 

budlover13

King Tut
Fair enough, but I contend that with you carrying your gun around you stand a better chance of accidentally discharging the gun and killing another person than you ever would in stopping a would-be assailant in the process of a crime.

There are 200-300 justifiable homicides in the US every year, and 800-900 accidental gun deaths every year.
i would be willing to bet that those accidental discharge deaths are not because someone's concealed carry went off when they pulled their wallet out. Guns really aren't that scary.
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
i would be willing to bet that those accidental discharge deaths are not because someone's concealed carry went off when they pulled their wallet out. Guns really aren't that scary.
Guns really aren't scary.

People are really, really stupid though.
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
Then let's outlaw seat belt laws and warning tags and let Darwinism do some gene pool cleaning.
See, I feel that as a responsible human I have the responsibility to stop as many needless deaths as possible.

Many times, I feel the same way as you do; the world would be better off if all the idiots just killed themselves off. Unfortunately, most of the time when idiots die they take a lot of innocent people with them. I can't justify letting a 1:1 ratio, let alone a higher than 1:1 ratio die, of idiots:innocents.

It's simple cost:benefit analysis to me.

But if we can get rid of some idiots without killing other people I'm all for it! WHOO! :D
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
I was in the army, was infantry and rode on bradley's. When I was in Iraq I was attached to a tanker unit. You can open the hatches from the outside.
I was a tank mech for 4 years in the Marines, yes you can keep all the hatches locked once you're inside. Good luck getting past the ground support that all tanks operate with in urban environments.
 

kpmarine

Well-Known Member
Fair enough, but I contend that with you carrying your gun around you stand a better chance of accidentally discharging the gun and killing another person than you ever would in stopping a would-be assailant in the process of a crime.

There are 200-300 justifiable homicides in the US every year, and 800-900 accidental gun deaths every year.
I stand a very, very, very low chance of accidentally shooting someone. If you adhere to basic weapons safety rules, your risk of shooting someone on accident is effectively zero. A gun very rarely goes off on it's own, someone has to be negligent for that accident to happen in almost every circumstance.
 
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