can't win? change the rules to make it easier... the republican way....

Canna Connoiseur

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It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
 

redivider

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i didn't hear anything about giving people. anyways that statement's incomplete, giving people what? making the argument as vague as possible doesn't make the argument correct.

i heard that it was more about a level playing field for everybody, where everybody has a shot to make it...

voter ID laws disenfranchise voters that would otherwise be able to vote by putting unnecessary ID obligations on the table.

even the mere act of voter fraud, which these laws are supposed to protect against, is so scarce that statistics on them are extremely hard to come by. if there were multiple instances of people voting more than once, in every city, in every state, throughout the country, then yes, I would understand. but that is not the case. people in this country get out of work, go vote, and go right back to the office. we don't have time for that shit.... this has nothing to do with voter fraud, and everything to do with skewing elections.
 

tibberous

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even the mere act of voter fraud, which these laws are supposed to protect against, is so scarce that statistics on them are extremely hard to come by
Thats pretty weak logic - "we can't tell who votes so we can't detect any fraud... must not exist..."

I think the purpose of this is more to keep non-citizens from voting, which makes sense, seeing as how they shouldn't even be here to start with.
 

woody333333

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It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
how bout the election before that??
 

ink the world

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It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
No law where I live saying I need to carry an ID.

Allow me to translate the rest of your post for us non neocons:

The evil Marxist and his Socialist party proved that they can win an election by catering to people other than rich white suburbanites. The last 2 elections proved they have overcome our strategy and popularity, were now aware of our flaws. We need to keep non whites from voting, oh how I pine fer the good ole days of Strom Thurmond and Jim Crow laws
 

Dr Kynes

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It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
there is no law requiring you to carry ID at all times.

you are required by law and regulation to bear a drivers license at all times when driving, but if youre walking your dog, going to the corner shop, riding public transit or bicycling you are not required to possess ID at all.

to do many things, like cash a check, board a plane, rent a hotel room, rent a car (duh) request a loan from a bank, or any of a variety of other things you are required to prove your identity, but you are otherwise NOT required to carry ID.

there are several state laws which require that if a cop asks for ID you must present it, but if you do not have any ID on you, you cannot be compelled to present what you do not posses.
there are also several states which require that when a cop asks who you are you MUST identify yourself, but there is still no requirement to have ID
the few states which have attempted to create a mandatory ID law have had their proposals shot down on constitutional grounds, usually before they get out of committee, and there is no federal law requiring ID.
 

Canna Connoiseur

Active Member
It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
there is no law requiring you to carry ID at all times.

you are required by law and regulation to bear a drivers license at all times when driving, but if youre walking your dog, going to the corner shop, riding public transit or bicycling you are not required to possess ID at all.

to do many things, like cash a check, board a plane, rent a hotel room, rent a car (duh) request a loan from a bank, or any of a variety of other things you are required to prove your identity, but you are otherwise NOT required to carry ID.

there are several state laws which require that if a cop asks for ID you must present it, but if you do not have any ID on you, you cannot be compelled to present what you do not posses.
there are also several states which require that when a cop asks who you are you MUST identify yourself, but there is still no requirement to have ID
the few states which have attempted to create a mandatory ID law have had their proposals shot down on constitutional grounds, usually before they get out of committee, and there is no federal law requiring ID.
I contacted north bergen police in NY. They stated that there is a very old law that you must have a state issued id on you at all times. If not you will get a ticket for failure to produce id. Same in nj. That's when not driving.
 

desert dude

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the republican establishment is looking to change election rules to make it easier for them to win.

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-eyes-election-laws-091622720--election.html


talk about sore losers... :D
With proportional electoral votes Al Gore would have won in 2000.

If voting laws are to be changed, now is a more appropriate time than just before a national election.

I like the idea of proportionality for electoral votes. With proportionality a candidate cannot win the popular vote and lose the presidency.
 

ChesusRice

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It is a law to have an ID on you at all times. Why is it a bad thing to have voter ID laws? The Obama administration proved that the democrats can win the election easy if you go to every inner city and preach that you will be giving people with nothing something that they do not have to work for. The last two elections already proved the system is flawed.
No its not!
And its not the cops fault you are too stupid to know your rights
 

Fungus Gnat

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With proportional electoral votes Al Gore would have won in 2000.

If voting laws are to be changed, now is a more appropriate time than just before a national election.

I like the idea of proportionality for electoral votes. With proportionality a candidate cannot win the popular vote and lose the presidency.
Yeah but not if it's only blue states doing it. Also changing it to gerrymandered congressional districts would give those districts an unequal share of the delegates.
 

desert dude

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Yeah but not if it's only blue states doing it. Also changing it to gerrymandered congressional districts would give those districts an unequal share of the delegates.
The decision about how to award electoral votes is left to the states, the feds have no say. You can be certain that big blue states (California, New York) will not change their all or nothing methods.

Personally, I would like to see proportional awarding of electoral votes. As I said, Al Gore would have won in 2000 if it was done proportionally.
 

Fungus Gnat

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The decision about how to award electoral votes is left to the states, the feds have no say. You can be certain that big blue states (California, New York) will not change their all or nothing methods.

Personally, I would like to see proportional awarding of electoral votes. As I said, Al Gore would have won in 2000 if it was done proportionally.
Yes and rewarding them by gerrymandered district is also up to the states(which is the republican plan). House democrats got more votes than house republicans this past election yet sit in clear minority. That is what gerrymandering districts does to democracy.
 

desert dude

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Yes and rewarding them by gerrymandered district is also up to the states(which is the republican plan). House democrats got more votes than house republicans this past election yet sit in clear minority. That is what gerrymandering districts does to democracy.
Democrats gerrymander just as much, or more, than Republicans.
 
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