Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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keebo3000

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akula said:
Wait, your saying defoliation helps to control stretching? How in the hell did you come to up with that idea?
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the plant puts it energy to making new fan leaves after first cut 21 days into flower.... it still grows it just shortens space between nodes, my observation from my grow.
 
akula

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keebo3000 said:
the plant puts it energy to making new fan leaves after first cut 21 days into flower.... it still grows it just shortens space between nodes, my observation from my grow.
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Of course it puts energy into growing new leaves, you cut them off and new ones appear. But what is the logic behind your shortened node theory?
 
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Closer temps between day and night during stretch is less work.... You gotta sacrifice something.. But not my leaves... <----- check out on gibberellin hormone and its effect on plant development.
 
akula

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elkukupanda said:
Closer temps between day and night during stretch is less work.... You gotta sacrifice something.. But not my leaves...
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Yeah I have heard of the "reduce temp fluctuations to reduce stretch" theory. I am not 100% sure I buy into it, but then I haven't really looked into it enough in depth to have much of an opinion. However this "using defoliation to reduce stretch" is brand new concept. I have never heard of this....I dont think it has even been brought up in this thread until just right now. I could be wrong.
 
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akula said:
Yeah I have heard of the "reduce temp fluctuations to reduce stretch" theory. I am not 100% sure I buy into it, but then I haven't really looked into it enough in depth to have much of an opinion. However this "using defoliation to reduce stretch" is brand new concept. I have never heard of this....I dont think it has even been brought up in this thread until just right now. I could be wrong.
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you know what happened to me? It was by mistake but because of poor aeration.. My transpiration rate was less than optimal.. So instead of the plant drinking tones of water like it normally does.. It drank less.. Anyways... My top 5 -7 are within a 3 inch length... I haven't look for scientific proof yet... And my tems were like... 30c day 13 c night
 
Slab

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Internodal length is genetic and can't be shortened. Stunting growth or stressing your plant unessarily opens you up to whole set of problems you don't want. They can't fight off pests and disease nor produce anything close to dank (1 hit quit).

if the light is too far away from the top of the canopy it will stretch, intensity determine how close, the basics.
 
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Slab said:
Internodal length is genetic and can't be shortened. Stunting growth or stressing your plant unessarily opens you up to whole set of problems you don't want. They can't fight off pests and disease nor produce anything close to dank (1 hit quit).

if the light is too far away from the top of the canopy it will stretch, intensity determine how close, the basics.
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What about low and high stress training techniques?
 
Slab

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when you do it right, the nodes with space properly and buds fills in. Shit goes great you will have more space between nodes and bigger buds.
 
Slab

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Indica hybrids have a Short internodal length genetically. You have to be highly incompetent to get them to stretch too far.
 
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I thought it looked strange. I will look again. You have fan leaves shooting out of the cola? I have seen that mutation before with no ill effects. Let me look again.
 
Uncle Ben

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Yep, I'd say DiAss is being a tad bit ignorant when it comes to plant processes. I mean when this guy is more worried about a plant stretching than keeping it green and healthy, it oughta tell ya something. Someone has their priorities a bit fucked up. It also suggests that he thinks high N foods induce stretch. They don't, details follow.

Two things that induce long internodes outside the normal early flowering phase or sativa genes is very low light which is usually a moot point for this discussion as the light is above the canopy (the lower part of the plant has lignified somewhat and is through undergoing cell division and elongation) and use of high P foods, aka Bloom Foods. IOW, you guys having a love affair with your cannabis specific bloom foods are again shittin' in yo mess cans. Read it and weep - http://www.gpnmag.com/what-really-causes-stretch

So, a plant will be a happy plant with a more balanced NPK value, also helps to read your plants and understand what they are telling you.

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Kite High

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Uncle Ben said:
Yep, I'd say DiAss is being a tad bit ignorant when it comes to plant processes. I mean when this guy is more worried about a plant stretching than keeping it green and healthy, it oughta tell ya something. Someone has their priorities a bit fucked up. It also suggests that he thinks high N foods induce stretch. They don't, details follow.

Two things that induce long internodes outside the normal early flowering phase or sativa genes is very low light which is usually a moot point for this discussion as the light is above the canopy (the lower part of the plant has lignified somewhat and is through undergoing cell division and elongation) and use of high P foods, aka Bloom Foods. IOW, you guys having a love affair with your cannabis specific bloom foods are again shittin' in yo mess cans. Read it and weep - http://www.gpnmag.com/what-really-causes-stretch

So, a plant will be a happy plant with a more balanced NPK value, also helps to read your plants and understand what they are telling you.

Uncle Ben
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I discovered this myself but that was a great read and pleases me that I deduced correctly...completely accurate scientific data not biased by a money whore...awesome
 
PJ Diaz

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akula said:
PJ Diaz said:
My main concern wouldn't be keeping them green so much as it would be controlling unwanted stretch.
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Wait, your saying defoliation helps to control stretching? How in the hell did you come to up with that idea?
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No.

I wasn't talking about defoliation at all. Maybe you should read what I quoted and what I responded to, and then reference my response in relation to that. That's how language and stuff works.

I was saying that if I used a 40w shop light to keep mothers I would he more concerned with unneeded stretch (regardless of leaf removal practices or not..) than I would be concerned with keeping the leaves green. That seems like the bigger issue in that scenario.

Do you understand now? Are we clear? Should I say it another way?
 
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