Why are college graduates underemployed?

Padawanbater2

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• About 48 percent of employed U.S. college graduates are in jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)
suggests requires less than a four-year college education. Eleven percent of employed college graduates
are in occupations requiring more than a high-school diploma but less than a bachelor’s, and 37 percent
are in occupations requiring no more than a high-school diploma;

• The proportion of overeducated workers in occupations appears to have grown substantially; in 1970,
fewer than one percent of taxi drivers and two percent of firefighters had college degrees, while now more
than 15 percent do in both jobs;

• About five million college graduates are in jobs the BLS says require less than a high-school education;

• Comparing average college and high-school earnings is highly misleading as a guide for vocational success,
given high college-dropout rates and the fact that overproduction of college graduates lowers recent
graduate earnings relative to those graduating earlier;

• Not all colleges are equal: Typical graduates of elite private schools make more than graduates of flagship state
universities, but those graduates do much better than those attending relatively non-selective institutions;

• Not all majors are equal: Engineering and economics graduates, for example, typically earn almost double
what social work and education graduates receive by mid-career;

• Past and projected future growth in college enrollments and the number of graduates exceeds the actual
or projected growth in high-skilled jobs, explaining the development of the underemployment problem
and its probable worsening in future years;

• Rising college costs and perceived declines in economic benefits may well lead to declining enrollments
and market share for traditional schools and the development of new methods of certifying occupation
competence.

Underemployment Will Likely Continue During the Next Decade

It is undeniable that job growth generally has been sluggish in the past five years as a consequence of
the downturn in 2007 greatly aggravated by the 2008 financial crisis, and the subsequent very slow rate
of recovery from that. No doubt, slow increases or actual decreases in employment have aggravated an
already-existing phenomenon of underemployment for college graduates, but any thought that this is a
temporary problem related to the business cycle is wishful thinking.

It is interesting to compare the educational requirements for projected future jobs with projections as
to the number of employable college graduates. That comparison shows that the problem outlined above
will worsen in the coming years if past trends and stated projections regarding the training of college students
come true. More and more, a college degree will become far less than a sufficient condition for
receiving an occupational ticket toward living a comfortable, affluent, middle-class life.


http://centerforcollegeaffordability.org/uploads/Underemployed Report 2.pdf
 

silasraven

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because they used their money for college on things other than job experience money could have gone to internships= booze, clothes they dont need, spa's, days out fucking off. trips to the bahama's. they take the student loans and just piss it away instead of using it to get more job per recs because they all want to avoid the work force but to no avail they still have to go.
 

Padawanbater2

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because they used their money for college on things other than job experience money could have gone to internships= booze, clothes they dont need, spa's, days out fucking off. trips to the bahama's. they take the student loans and just piss it away instead of using it to get more job per recs because they all want to avoid the work force but to no avail they still have to go.
Complete ignorance

Read the article
 

Padawanbater2

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kinda harsh for what ive seen with my own eyes, so bite me
For clarification, I wasn't calling you ignorant, I was saying that was an ignorant statement.

I see the same thing, but that's not the reason 50% of college graduates aren't utilizing the degree they earned

Sorry if I offended you
 

sunni

Administrator
Staff member
i graduated, got a job before graduating....and im still employed, so guess I was lucky?
 

cheechako

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Why are so many actors waiting tables?

I know the problems and issues are very complex. However, the facts in the article seem to suggest that even with a college degree, you are more likely to get a job that didn't really need one. To be honest, I think the extra education might help regardless because of our pitiful primary education system.

The article obviously includes the people silasraven mentions too. It is not the only group. Alas, putting in extra efforts and not wasting money/grants/etc. is not a guarantee either it just increases the odds. The more some job really requires the education, the more competition there probably is for that job, and the more you need all those extra efforts. But the reality is, you still might wind up managing a Taco Bell.
 

nick88

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It's a case of where supply exceeds demand so they have to look else whrere than their chosen career field.
 

dirtsurfr

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Either you get out of Hi School and start a job in a training position and work in your field of choice.
or
Go to a 4 year collage studying and cramming at a huge cost to get your degree and work in McDonald's cause 4 years ago ain't now.
But at least you or your parents got fleeced.
 

cheechako

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i graduated, got a job before graduating....and im still employed, so guess I was lucky?
I'm a college drop out. I got lucky and had a long career, but lost the money and the house. Now I'm starting over, still without a degree, but my years of work experience helped me get here even though it is an entirely different field. Doubly lucky?
 

blacksun

New Member
For clarification, I wasn't calling you ignorant, I was saying that was an ignorant statement.

I see the same thing, but that's not the reason 50% of college graduates aren't utilizing the degree they earned

Sorry if I offended you
Indeed.

I earned my 4 year degree and never once took out a single loan. Hell, even FAFSA told me to go fuck myself because I worked two jobs so that I could eat AND go to school at the same time (crazy that people want to eat while going to school!).

In the end, I got lumped into

37 percent
are in occupations requiring no more than a high-school diploma;
THAT group.

If you plan on going into IT, fuck getting a degree. Just go work. Work experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> college experience on a resume in the IT world anyways.
 

see4

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This thread kinda sucks. But I guess I will answer it anyway.

Recent college grads are underemployed because they are either lazy, in a field that is extremely competitive or their job was shipped overseas. I'm betting that it's a combination of two of these cases, most likely lazy and extreme job competition.

I graduated with a double major in accounting and finance. My first year out I worked in Manhattan at a top 5 financial institution. After 1 year I quit and taught myself software development, and have been in this field ever since. I now manage an entire software development team and directly report to the CEO. I worked my ass off to get where I am. "You" are underemployed because you are lazy and not as smart or competitive as the next guy who wants your job.
 

ASMALLVOICE

Well-Known Member
Indeed.

I earned my 4 year degree and never once took out a single loan. Hell, even FAFSA told me to go fuck myself because I worked two jobs so that I could eat AND go to school at the same time (crazy that people want to eat while going to school!).

In the end, I got lumped into



THAT group.

If you plan on going into IT, fuck getting a degree. Just go work. Work experience >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> college experience on a resume in the IT world anyways.
I totally agree, my sister has more degrees than a thermometer and she makes about 15-20k less a year than I do. I have all ojt and nowadays the papers they hand out are about as useful as toilet paper. Too many people have the delusion that a degree is actually worth something in todays economy. I see more educated (degreed) people looking for work than those that have the experience of ojt.

My opinion is find something you like and get into it, basement level if need be, hell, I was making $4.00 an hour when I started, got a raise to $6.00 and thought I am shitting in high cotton now. I am in the same industry after 30 years and I will spank someone with a degree in my field today. Our company will hire a technician with experience long before a new graduate with a degree. Man, times sure have changed in the last 30 years.

Peace

Asmallvoice
 

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
It's a case of where supply exceeds demand so they have to look else whrere than their chosen career field.
Exactly what I think

There are more college educated people than there are jobs requiring a college education, and there aren't enough jobs available that do require a college education

So what's the solution?
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
what about people who get degrees in things that they're never going to find a real job for, say french literature or philosophy? sure, you may have a degree in it, but how is that applicable to the real world?
i don't really see too many french lit. jobs in the want ad's these days.. obviously these are only 2 ex's off the top of me head, but i think this is what a major problem with college and having a degree are..
if you're going to get a degree, you have to make sure it's going to be in something, some field that is going to be applicable on the outside, otherwise it was a complete waste of time, other than for educational purposes of course..
 

nick88

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what about people who get degrees in things that they're never going to find a real job for, say french literature or philosophy? sure, you may have a degree in it, but how is that applicable to the real world?
i don't really see too many french lit. jobs in the want ad's these days.. obviously these are only 2 ex's off the top of me head, but i think this is what a major problem with college and having a degree are..
if you're going to get a degree, you have to make sure it's going to be in something, some field that is going to be applicable on the outside, otherwise it was a complete waste of time, other than for educational purposes of course..
Excellent point.
 

cheechako

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if you're going to get a degree, you have to make sure it's going to be in something, some field that is going to be applicable on the outside, otherwise it was a complete waste of time, other than for educational purposes of course..
I dropped out of college. But I wouldn't have had the jobs and career I had were it not for college. I think education purposes is a big benefit, especially because of the way our primary education system is. But you cannot be totally lazy in college either - you have to look outside the box (degree) there too, and not expect lots of french lit jobs once you're out.

A college experience could potentially be a boon for many people in many jobs especially when it is a major life experience and not just a defree. It might not always be worth the cost, though - there are plenty of ways to get life experience.
 

Logges

Active Member
Most people with a degree take the job for granted. No employer is obliged to offer jobs. We are too used to this comfortable system in which we try and play by the rules so we can get what we want. I think entrepreneurship should have a bigger emphasis in high schools because it is the best alternative to being employed.

Small businesses are the key to a healthy distribution of wealth.
 

UncleBuck

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because they used their money for college on things other than job experience money could have gone to internships= booze, clothes they dont need, spa's, days out fucking off. trips to the bahama's. they take the student loans and just piss it away instead of using it to get more job per recs because they all want to avoid the work force but to no avail they still have to go.
*bahamas

you've got an interesting imagination.
 

kinetic

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I'm going back to college in my 30's after a pretty good run in my previous profession. It's much more fun to actually learn and not give a fuck what else is going on around me. First semester already ran into a hostile prof. Had to send him a personal email and let him know I'm not some kid and apologise for my confusion as I wasn't trying to deliberately screw up. He sent my paper back with an atta boy.
 
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