Muffy
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There's no consistency in your argument. Feminized seeds can't be male for lack of Y chromosomes.
Hermie havoc!!
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This is an interesting Genotype vs Phenotype argument. I think the two may be getting confused in some instances.
Some questions:
Not all life forms use specific chromosomes to designate sex, I am almost sure that most don't. So using "XX " or XY" to describe sex genetics in weed could be wrong and confusing the argument from the beginning. Am I wrong in this?
If weed truly "hermies" however you define it, what is its genotype and phenotype?
If there is more than one type of genotypic or phenotypic hermaphrodite, what are the differences from other types and how does it originate?
These questions are for anyone willing to reply.
I am a medical science biology major so my botany side knowledge is spotty.
Some questions:
Not all life forms use specific chromosomes to designate sex, I am almost sure that most don't. So using "XX " or XY" to describe sex genetics in weed could be wrong and confusing the argument from the beginning. Am I wrong in this?
If weed truly "hermies" however you define it, what is its genotype and phenotype?
If there is more than one type of genotypic or phenotypic hermaphrodite, what are the differences from other types and how does it originate?
These questions are for anyone willing to reply.
I am a medical science biology major so my botany side knowledge is spotty.
Muffy
Active Member
I'm not arguing genotype vs phenotype... anymore, if that's how it seems. Clearly some if not all individual females have genetic code for male organs without any Y chromosomes. We already know that not every female can be made to successfully donate pollen. Maybe it's a mutation for sterility in those cases?
Trousers
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I doubt there is a female plant that can not be turned. You are speculating.
Muffy
Active Member
Hm, I have improved this for you and it's still moot. You've shown nothing new to account for all the females that have ever existed and of course you can't. All you can do is repeat yourself.
navyfighter04
Active Member
The he/she has some balls on it. Makes me sick to see that.
King Cobra
Active Member
It's nature isn't it...even sea creatures,reptiles etc, can change their sex to keep their species alive. Trousers sorry i think you may be wrong. Every female will grow one or 2 male flowers, heck they will even produce a few seeds. This is the great circle of life...my little 5 year old cousin knows this. Stop talking pants" Trousers..
peace to you all.
peace to you all.
HERBALTEA10
Active Member
while all cannabis has it in them to hermie you don't want to make a feminized seed out of a plant that hermies with very little stress because there offspring will hermie with very little stress instead you want to make feminized seeds out of a plant that only hermies under extreme stress (silver nitrate) they too pass on there trait too only hermie under extreme stress ( silver nitrate) both can be feminized seeds but a plant that hermies very easily will pass on that trait even when her seeds are feminized which is why some fem seeds get a bad rap (my 2 cents).
Punk
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As do you.
Now you're arguing semantics. Turn male, ie, grow male parts. I wasn't suggesting the plant would lose all trace of being a female ....bah, pointless topic.
shaun2000
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Would like yet ANOTHER opinion from "those that may know" - once again i think i have a second hermie developing. I got these seeds from a friend who "claims" to have purchased them online...so i can't give you a history...seems i'm getting about 75% girls if this is a hermaphrodite plant in photos (there were 10 seeds total). All of them were slow starters to begin with because they're all smaller than the other batch (seeds I purchased myself) in my second room. Would love for someone to tell me it's not my methods that's causing this to happen, because my other group of girls seem to be doing well (see additional photos - 3rd wk into 12-12)....SO...is this bugger what i suspect...?View attachment 2476106View attachment 2476107View attachment 2476108View attachment 2476109
Here's my "Girl's Room" pics...i think they look pretty good
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I Just Want to verify something here. you Said Third Week. As in u had them grown from seed and then 3 weeks later u put them to 12/12 ...
Your Proberly causing these Hermies by light stressing them.
Here is an Excert from the grow bible on photo period stressing (Page 205, second edition)
Problems with 12/12
If you switch to 12/12 before pre-flowers have show, you may encounter the following problems:
1. stress-related sex problems (hermaphrodites)
2. abnormal bud growth
stress-related sex problems (hermaphrodites)
Stress-related sex problems can produce hermaphrodite plants, also know as "hermies" . The stress of whats sometimes called early flowering triggers the plant into a situation where it thinks its chances of reproduction are slim to none. That situation induces a condition or act of self-pollination, in which the plant produces both male and female flowers on the same plant. the male flowers then pollinate the female flowers, which eventually produces seeds.
the reason for this is that the plant notices that the photo-period is irregular and should no longer be in the vegative grow stage but in flowering. this shocks the plant into a last ditch effort to recive pollen because it feels that its missed its chance to recive pollen already. in the wild , males release their pollen around the time that females begin to flower
Trousers
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Wrong about what?
That is not true at all. I have grown dozens of females that never had a male flower or seeds. If you are getting male flowers on female plants regularly, then you have bad genetics or (more likely) a bad environment.
This is the great circle of life...my little 5 year old cousin knows this. Stop talking pants" Trousers..
Here's an idea:
Have a point and stop being an ass.
King Cobra
Active Member
My point is you talk out of your ass!!