What's this white fuzzy stuff on soil? Organic users advice for first grow. See pics
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prosperian
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Because I ate some on a chip. It was delicious. No go away from my thread!
Redbird1223
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bmeat, you are really over-complicating this.
what is bad mold? think about it. for me, black mold comes to mind first. but that mold was not black so.....
I've only lost 1 plant to mold and it was black mold/fungus on the stem of a hydro plant. I buried the rookwool in hydroton and my water temps were too high = problems. rookie shit
ok so it wasn't black and it wasn't on his plant, and with all the information in this thread, we can assume (with great confidence) that it is harmless and likely beneficial.
I feel like you are categorizing poly's white fuzz with the molds/spores/germs/bacteri-ahhhhhh that make everyone sick. but an organic plant's root zone and a human immune system are way different. fungi is a vital part of the puzzle down below. it helps digest and absorb water and nutes. A healthy organic food web will buffer nutes and ph, as well as help the plant have a better immune system, and even attract beneficial predatory bugs. I could go roll around in my compost bin right now and I wouldn't be sick, it's just not the same.
“When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.”
— John Muir
OMG!!! look at the fuzz!!! lol see its ok man
[video=youtube_share;xOO1_jNKbKw]http://youtu.be/xOO1_jNKbKw[/video]
what is bad mold? think about it. for me, black mold comes to mind first. but that mold was not black so.....
I've only lost 1 plant to mold and it was black mold/fungus on the stem of a hydro plant. I buried the rookwool in hydroton and my water temps were too high = problems. rookie shit
ok so it wasn't black and it wasn't on his plant, and with all the information in this thread, we can assume (with great confidence) that it is harmless and likely beneficial.
I feel like you are categorizing poly's white fuzz with the molds/spores/germs/bacteri-ahhhhhh that make everyone sick. but an organic plant's root zone and a human immune system are way different. fungi is a vital part of the puzzle down below. it helps digest and absorb water and nutes. A healthy organic food web will buffer nutes and ph, as well as help the plant have a better immune system, and even attract beneficial predatory bugs. I could go roll around in my compost bin right now and I wouldn't be sick, it's just not the same.
“When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.”
— John Muir
OMG!!! look at the fuzz!!! lol see its ok man
[video=youtube_share;xOO1_jNKbKw]http://youtu.be/xOO1_jNKbKw[/video]
biota and human flora are very similar, we are common ancestors.
regardless, i wouldnt like a film of fungus on my soil..to me thats an overgrowth.
yeah..black mold is also called toxic mold..fuck that stuff. i had to clean that stuff out from under my above ground pool. it was living deep in the sand, and we learned that just spraying it with bleach wont decolonize it. had to do a lot..
isnt that why people use molasses? to promote growth via the simple sugars?
i like the video btw, thank you!
regardless, i wouldnt like a film of fungus on my soil..to me thats an overgrowth.
yeah..black mold is also called toxic mold..fuck that stuff. i had to clean that stuff out from under my above ground pool. it was living deep in the sand, and we learned that just spraying it with bleach wont decolonize it. had to do a lot..
isnt that why people use molasses? to promote growth via the simple sugars?
i like the video btw, thank you!
Redbird1223
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you can call it an overgrowth if you want i guess. but it's not really because it is useful and necessary to the soils biology. that's like saying you're too healthy
you wouldn't shave trichs off your buds because there was suddenly "an overgrowth". no way, that's a good thing.
plus the food web will regulate itself...if a colonies populations explode temporarily, it's very likely, imo, that the excess will die off through competition for food, and grow room variables like temp and humidity
yes, we use molasses to feed the bacterial/fungal colonies below. but other sugar/carb sources can be used also
yes EM solutions are the bomb! you should make one. I use them to speed decomp in my compost bin and to water plants. they can be used for fpe's too... i'll spray it in the chickens water jug, the dog's water jug (helps digestion) use it as an odor neutralizer in the chicken coop, foliar sprays, it's beyond useful
you wouldn't shave trichs off your buds because there was suddenly "an overgrowth". no way, that's a good thing.
plus the food web will regulate itself...if a colonies populations explode temporarily, it's very likely, imo, that the excess will die off through competition for food, and grow room variables like temp and humidity
yes, we use molasses to feed the bacterial/fungal colonies below. but other sugar/carb sources can be used also
yes EM solutions are the bomb! you should make one. I use them to speed decomp in my compost bin and to water plants. they can be used for fpe's too... i'll spray it in the chickens water jug, the dog's water jug (helps digestion) use it as an odor neutralizer in the chicken coop, foliar sprays, it's beyond useful
bird mcbride
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First off, hoeing plants up to create better root airation has been going on for eons and yes, it has a positive effect on the plants. The alien plant that's growing in your soil is everywhere...even in my hydro bed. It takes extreme humidity and darkness to get it happening. The humidity and lack of air flow has to be extreme because I can toss a fan leaf on my table and it keeps green for weeks in there. In the cloning bin the lights are on 24/7 because of this. These spores are feeding on none composted materials and converting them to natural ferts. So if one of your plants get sickly it'll start eating it but as long as it's alive and healthy the plant is not effected. Get some air flow and hoe up the soil. The plants look good given your grow descriptions.
prosperian
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It has been 30 hours now since I tilled and aerated my plants. No signs of stress. They look happy. Not dead.
I will keep you posted and shoot some photos soon.
I will keep you posted and shoot some photos soon.
prosperian
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Hey guys, here is the proof it works for me. Plants looking great.
Water no longer collects at top of the container when watering. Absolutely zero negative effects since we tilled and aerated the containers.
I employed these member suggested changes recently....
I added a second fan on the floor pointed up through my wire plant shelf. The other side mounted fan was adjusted to hit the lower part of the plant at soil level not the top of the canopy. I'm leaving the small fans and exhaust running at night. I used to shut the small fans off.
My humidity dropped by another 8% as a result. The small round gauge in the photo is measuring 42% humidity today at a constant 76 degree high in the room. Lows at night are dropping to 67.
You don't have to do it, but damn it, if i don't try new things every once in a while, how am I going to expand my personal knowledge.
Thanks to the members that weighed in on this thread and gave their two cents. Peace.
i would like to point out that this white fungi overgrowth has killed the forest over "many times"[h=1]Mycelium[/h] From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Fungal mycelia
Microscopic view of a mycelium. This image covers a one-millimeter square.
Another microscopic view of a mycelium. Numbered ticks are 230 µm apart.
Oyster mushroom (Pleurotus ostreatus) growing on coffee grounds
Mycelium (plural mycelia) is the vegetative part of a fungus, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi. Fungal colonies composed of mycelia are found in soil and on or within many other substrates. A typical single spore germinates into a homokaryotic mycelium, which cannot reproduce sexually; when two compatible homokaryotic mycelia join and form a dikaryotic mycelium, that mycelium may form fruiting bodies such as mushrooms. A mycelium may be minute, forming a colony that is too small to see, or it may be extensive:
Is this the largest organism in the world? This 2,400-acre (9.7 km[SUP]2[/SUP]) site in eastern Oregon had a contiguous growth of mycelium before logging roads cut through it.Estimated at 1,665 football fields in size and 2,200 years old, this one fungus has killed the forest above it several times over, and in so doing has built deeper soil layers that allow the growth of ever-larger stands of trees. Mushroom-forming forest fungi are unique in that their mycelial mats can achieve such massive proportions.It is through the mycelium that a fungus absorbs nutrients from its environment. It does this in a two-stage process. First, the hyphae secrete enzymes onto or into the food source, which break down biological polymers into smaller units such as monomers. These monomers are then absorbed into the mycelium by facilitated diffusion and active transport.
—Paul Stamets, Mycelium Running
Mycelia are vital in terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems for their role in the decomposition of plant material. They contribute to the organic fraction of soil, and their growth releases carbon dioxide back into the atmosphere. The mycelium of mycorrhizal fungi increases the efficiency of water and nutrient absorption of most plants and confers resistance to some plant pathogens. Mycelia are an important food source for many soil invertebrates.
Sclerotia are compact or hard masses of mycelia.
prosperian
Well-Known Member
Hey guys, here is the proof it works for me. Plants looking great.
Water no longer collects at top of the container when watering. Absolutely zero negative effects since we tilled and aerated the containers.
I employed these member suggested changes recently....
I added a second fan on the floor pointed up through my wire plant shelf. The other side mounted fan was adjusted to hit the lower part of the plant at soil level not the top of the canopy. I'm leaving the small fans and exhaust running at night. I used to shut the small fans off.
My humidity dropped by another 8% as a result. The small round gauge in the photo is measuring 42% humidity today at a constant 76 degree high in the room. Lows at night are dropping to 67.
You don't have to do it, but damn it, if i don't try new things every once in a while, how am I going to expand my personal knowledge.
Thanks to the members that weighed in on this thread and gave their two cents. Peace.
Water no longer collects at top of the container when watering. Absolutely zero negative effects since we tilled and aerated the containers.
I employed these member suggested changes recently....
I added a second fan on the floor pointed up through my wire plant shelf. The other side mounted fan was adjusted to hit the lower part of the plant at soil level not the top of the canopy. I'm leaving the small fans and exhaust running at night. I used to shut the small fans off.
My humidity dropped by another 8% as a result. The small round gauge in the photo is measuring 42% humidity today at a constant 76 degree high in the room. Lows at night are dropping to 67.
You don't have to do it, but damn it, if i don't try new things every once in a while, how am I going to expand my personal knowledge.
Thanks to the members that weighed in on this thread and gave their two cents. Peace.
AimAim
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Not that it makes any difference.... but WTF are you talking about now?
They are talking about mycelia of Armillaria Melea a very common forest fungus. Doubt this is going to hurt a pot plant.
read the indented paragraph in what i quoted. these harmless fungi killed a forest when there was an overgrowth of them
B166ER420
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You really need to stop spouting out ignorance.......kid........fungi killed the forests!!!!!!!my god!!!!!
AimAim
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Well why don't you read the remainder of the article and read about how beneficial it is to the soil health. And what the article did not say is that armillaria does not normally infect healthy trees, only trees that are in a weakened state due to old age or environmental factors. It successfully invades and fruits on dead and dying roots. If it killed healthy trees we would have no trees anywhere because armillaria is virtually everywhere.
it can kill plants, even trees (seems like, thats what it says) when there are overgrowths.
i know its benefical, in the right, balanced amount.
i really like these pieces of literature though. nullis is very smart, im sure i could learn a lot from him, and your plants are looking great prosperian.
i know its benefical, in the right, balanced amount.
i really like these pieces of literature though. nullis is very smart, im sure i could learn a lot from him, and your plants are looking great prosperian.
Redbird1223
Active Member
Estimated at 1,665 football fields in size and 2,200 years old, this one fungus has killed the forest above it several times over, and in so doing has built deeper soil layers that allow the growth of ever-larger stands of trees
((sigh)) have fun guys
((sigh)) have fun guys
prosperian
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Come on bmeat. Stop stretching out these threads for the folks that want to read what's going on with my grow. You ackowledged last night on this thread that you have been heard. Arguing your case doesn't help anyone, let move on from the debate.
My advice...Try not to react or defend yourself against some of the posted comments. I think sometimes they are just trying to get a reaction out of you.
prosperian
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I did say SOMETIMES. 