How to do a perpetual scrog????

[mr.lightgr3en]

was up riu so i have been growing well let's say learning. For a while now and after failing a couple times i learned lots of new things. So for my next grow i would love to have it perfect simple. And a good yield. I'm sticking to cfls. Since i am still learning and on a budget. I don't want to here no hps talk at the moment all cfl please.
Lets start off by talking about what i want to do.
. I want to do a scrog unfortunately i will always be working with seeds. But if i can I'll have a mother plant I'll get into that later. I'm planning on at least 15-25 heads about 5-8"tall. I want to have a perpetual grow. So i can harvest every 2months i doubt i can go lower then then that let me explain my setup. So you guys can understand and give me some tips.

I have an accordian box I guess we can call it a PC grow box. I built a couple months ago.
Dimensions:
•(Height)-19"
•(Width)-18"
•(Depth)-10"
Temperatures are stable
70--80f 86f being the hottest.
Using 4 23w 6,500k for vegg.
total of 92w but I like mix spectrums.
So I will have 3 23w 6500k & 1 42w 2700k Total of 111w of cfl.
This will be my vegg grow box.

For my FLOWERING CAB.
Dimensions:
•(Height)-3ft
•(Width)-2ft
•(Depth)-1ft 5"
Temperatures not sure yet.
But im pretty sure it will be fine because I have a 6" inline fan that's more then enough for that space and for cfls. I am going to put 1 intake for some fresh air flowing.

LIGHTS:
I am planning to use 300w of cfls most likely mixed spectrums. Around 3 42w a couple of 26/23w cfls as well I'll probably go over 300w.

I am going to scrog never done it before but from what I see I prefer scrog. I am going to use 1 3gal bucket I could use 2 and grow 2 plants but I pretty sure with this lights it benefits 1 plant to hog it all up
.I WILL POST PICS IF I GET ENOUGH REPLIES ON HERE.

QUESTIONS:
•HOW DO YOU HOME A MOTHER
PLANT?
•IS MY VEG CAB BIG ENOUGH TO
HOME A MOTHER PLANT?
•HOW TO PERPETUAL GROW
UNDER THIS SETUP.
•HOW OFTEN CAN I HARVEST?

THAT'S IT FOR NOW!
hope to get some advice soon I have couple more questions but will ask later on.
I'm sure everyone will be more excited when you see my setup up in pics.
Thank you in advanced. =D

 

[Commander Strax]

Good questions, I would like to know the answers as well.

RIU ?

Cheers

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

Lol.
Yea RIU has been slacking lately I might make an account with icmag. But riu was here to help me when I was noob. So I dont want to leave then behind.
Maybe im just posting in the wrong forum.

HELLOOOO OUTTT THEIRRR!!!!????
ANYONE?

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

ok here are the pictures of my pc/veg cab and my flower cab!
Full cab closed!

top cab with pc grow box!

full cab open!

my favorite part were all my problems will be solved lol
the flowering cab.

let me know what you guys think! Thanks

 

[Commander Strax]

Why a box in a box ? Why not make the top box the box ?? Then you could have Veg, Flower and Mother cabs ??

 

[SilasZaneB]

I'm no expert at all. But I'm pretty sure I've heard you shouldn't use aluminum foil as a reflector because it retains a lot of heat. (It looks like you used aluminum foil)
Could someone with more experience verify this?
Like I said, not an expert by any means at all

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

(COMMANDER STRAX)-I had originally though if doing what you said. But i already had the box build. You dont think i can hold a mother plant in their?

(SilasZane B)-I'm not using aluminum foil its a gift wrapping paper that reflects pretty awesome.

And yes aluminum foil does cause lots of heat also heat spots on your plants leaves.

 

[cues]

Skip mothers. Perpetual clone. (you will need less light in that veg box for cloning).
Harvest every 10 weeks maybe.

 

[SilasZaneB]

Idk if you could help me, but I made a PC box and its sweet. But, the PC fans are sort of loud. Do you know what I can do/buy to soften the sound or even some type of muffler system to make them more quiet. Check out my thread, its on the front page called "my first PC grow. Here's the start."

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

(CUES)-That's what I am planning a perpetual clone.
How would I go about that and how much less light? Thanks.

(SilasZaneB)-im going through the same issue honestly my 6" regular inline fan. Is quiter then my PC fans. Only thing I can suggest is lower your volts on your plug. Or what I did put the PC box inside another box but ofourse you will loose airflow on both.

 

[stone604]

If your not getting answers here maybe in the other sub forums?

Im not sure about the questions you asked. Im still on my first attempt

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

Yea I might post it in grow room design setup.
But hopefully somone peeks around and gives me advice..
All I need to know is when exactly do I clone.
And when exactly to switch plants from one box to the other.

 

[SilasZaneB]

Yea I might post it in grow room design setup.
But hopefully somone peeks around and gives me advice..
All I need to know is when exactly do I clone.
And when exactly to switch plants from one box to the other.

ive seen something where you wait until your motherplant is blooming and you cut the 4th node from the bottom.
Then u spread rooting gel on the base of the stem.
Put the stem in whatever your guna grow it in.
Done.

also, youre probably going to just want to switch when you change from veg into flower cycles.

LMK if i helped

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

Thanks yea you helped didn't know it had to be the 4th node. I got the basics down about cloning I just wonder if my veg cab will be big enough to veg for 8wks which it normally takes to flower.

I think im going to have to go with (COMMANDER'S) advice and make the top a vegg cab. Probably get rid off the little box.

 

[cues]

(CUES)-That's what I am planning a perpetual clone.
How would I go about that and how much less light? Thanks.

(SilasZaneB)-im going through the same issue honestly my 6" regular inline fan. Is quiter then my PC fans. Only thing I can suggest is lower your volts on your plug. Or what I did put the PC box inside another box but ofourse you will loose airflow on both.

I find 2x23w cfls over a regular heated prop in a 1x1 cupboard works well. Use 1 23w until rooted, remove the dome then use 2x23. I use root riot cubes, clonex gel and mist daily.
Cloning isn't easy. It's unforgiving. Everything has to be spot-on. Get it 100% right and you get 100% success. Get it 90% right and you will have 10%.
Best way of controlling pc fans is a 12v adjustable mains transformer (£5)

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

I find 2x23w cfls over a regular heated prop in a 1x1 cupboard works well. Use 1 23w until rooted, remove the dome then use 2x23. I use root riot cubes, clonex gel and mist daily.
Cloning isn't easy. It's unforgiving. Everything has to be spot-on. Get it 100% right and you get 100% success. Get it 90% right and you will have 10%.
Best way of controlling pc fans is a 12v adjustable mains transformer (£5)

It has to be at an angle right then with a clean sanitized razor scrape the bottom of the stem for the clone to root right?

Thanks for the advice but im not sure anyone really understood my question?
Let me rephrase.
I am planning to scrog but of course I have to let my plant veg into the screen. I believe my space has enough space for 3wks of veg and then flower.
Once I flower if it's a (GIRL) I would like to clone so it's when perpetual comes in.
When do I cut this clone off as soon as signs of sex show. Or can it be later?
As you see in my pics my vegging chamber isn't that big. So I doubt I'll have much room to vegg in.
BUT I want to keep a clone Alive inside the PC case. Until I harvest, then put the clone in the flower chamber?
How exactly can I do this
If it takes 2months for harvest
I can't veg for 2months lol inside the PC case.?

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

Ok I figured it out how I can do a perpetual grow and harvest 1's a month. But ill get into that later when I get home to my laptop.

A couple cloning questions?
•how long does it take to root?
•does it stress the plant when you
cut a clone?
•if does do I need to give it a
couple days to recover?
•would it lose its potency if I keep
cloning?
•is it fine to flower the plant right
after you cut the clone off of it?

I will not be cutting clones off of the same plant...I will clone then, cut off another clone off of that clone!
And so on!

Thanks for the help you guys.

 

[cues]

1-2 weeks
A little.
See below.
No.
Give it 5-7 days.

p.s. take more than you need.
First grow, take them before sexing. You can always bin them if it turns out to be male.

 

[mr.lightgr3en]

Thanks for the response.
And good suggestion I'll probably take 2 cutts and see what turns out.

Unfortunately the seeds I have germinating dont want to sprout =/
They have been germinating in a paper towel for 4 days now and nothing.
Would temps matter I have them in a cabinet inside an aluminum cookie bin.
And its around 65-70f highest about 75f.

 

[cues]

Temps are a little low for seeds but give it time.
Most important thing is NEVER let them dry out.
I like to think I know what I'm doing with cuttings but still only normally get around 75% success. I can get higher (have had 100%) but that involves getting really anal about it. Misting and wiping domes 3x a day, keeping temps spot on etc. Any of them that fail, I just boil the root-riot cubes and re-try so no loss (I know they are meant to be specially treated with beneficial fungi or something that are probably killed by boiling but yeah, whatever works for me).
Biggest tip I can give for cloning (which never seems to get mentioned) is it only needs about 20-30w ft2 until roots show. I have tried in veg cabs with 40-50 w ft/2 with far less success. Also, bottom heat is a big help but the cubes dry out a lot faster.