What reason would there be to go with Indagrow or I-Grow where there is this....

PetFlora

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someones' got to be the Guinea pig.

Is changing bulb user friendly?

Keep in mind it is for flowering only, so you need a veg light. I use household globe LEDs, like the new CREE 9.5w + vanity fixtures + splitters depending on how big your veg area is
 

brotherjericho

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The I-Grow bloom version is 2700k, so probably no disadvantage. Don't know about the Indagrow, they don't seem to be so open about what they use but its probably either 5000k or 2700k depending on the type.
 

brotherjericho

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someones' got to be the Guinea pig.

Is changing bulb user friendly?

Keep in mind it is for flowering only, so you need a veg light. I use household globe LEDs, like the new CREE 9.5w + vanity fixtures + splitters depending on how big your veg area is
I was at a local shop that carries the I-Grows. They had the bloom version (2700k) on display, looked to do rather well for vegging, nice bushy plants with tight node structure. It was peppers though, so who knows?
 

PetFlora

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I'm pretty sure 'we' know that you need a different spectral balance of B::R nms for veg than flower
 

brotherjericho

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IMO much better off with t5's. lots less money. And the exact spectrums you desire.
I can see an advantage to induction lamps. You can go with the smaller ones if you grow in smaller tents, whereas you could not do so with t5s. Sure they make shorter t5s but they put out so little lumens to not make it worthwhile.
 

hyroot

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I grow is crap. Cfl s will do a better job. Indagros are 795 not 1200. They always seem to give discounts too. A 10 year warranty and a 30 day return. Look for splifferous on you tube for indagros or check psuagros thread.
 

hyroot

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Read the Indangro induction thread. . I grown lies. Usda approval is bullshit. Horrible customer service. The spectrums they publish are not true. They claim its made in the u.s. but its illegal to build flourescents and induction bulbs in the u.s. thanks to ge and Epa. All induction and flourescent bulbs are made in China and Europe.I grow is rebranded from full spectrum light solutions. The lights don't last either. Either company does not hold up their warranty.

Riants. Have had decent results on riu. They are $450 with shipping The plants shown on here with that seem to be lacking trichomes but that could be grower error. I think that person has had heat problems where he is at.

Personally Imo led and cmh( 330 or 860 allstart) is where its at
 

brotherjericho

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^^ Yeah, tbh, I think induction is way over-hyped, more so knowing they cost way too much for what you get. They are simply fluorescent lights without the electrode.
 

hyroot

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They last 10 times longer than flourescents. Spectral output starts to degrade after 70,000 hours on quality ones.
 

chazbolin

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My question is why would I pay $1,200 for a Indagrow or I-Grow 400w Induction light when I can spend half of that with a Sun-Light Series 400w for $700 with shipping? You guys have seen my grows, you know I'm not a rep for either of these companies, I just want knowledge and Opinions.

http://aeroponics.com/LGFinc/shop/sun-light-series-full-spectrum-400w-induction-light-and-ballast-2/
-slinger
I took a look at their youtube videos and website and it looks like they offer both a veg and a flower lamp. So you might want to check on how much it would cost for the complete setup as a price comparison.

[video=youtube;dtD5x7va3Mk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtD5x7va3Mk[/video]

http://www.green-lightsolution.com/
 

slinger36s

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Thank you guys for all your suggestions, I should have been more specific and said I would be using the induction light between 2 x 300 watt Led panels. I want the 2700k spectrum because my Led Panels work fine for veg and bloom but I wanna give the bloom phase a little extra boost, thus the 2700k. Not here to argue about if Induction can grow great medicinal herb, there are plenty of journals here that prove it does work, I just wanted to know if there was anything special about the "brand name" lights.
-slinger
 

mamakush

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I grow is crap. Cfl s will do a better job. Indagros are 795 not 1200. They always seem to give discounts too. A 10 year warranty and a 30 day return. Look for splifferous on you tube for indagros or check psuagros thread.
Return periods less than the length of a full cycle grow always make me hesitate. Definitely nice to have any return period at all, but I think length is worth a second thought.
 

djwimbo

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Return periods less than the length of a full cycle grow always make me hesitate. Definitely nice to have any return period at all, but I think length is worth a second thought.
Would it take you 30 days to say yes or no? Seems like everybody that's gone induction was stoked about it.

Don't quote me on this, but IIRC, IndaGro lamps are 4850-5000K.
 

mrcourios

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Would it take you 30 days to say yes or no? Seems like everybody that's gone induction was stoked about it.

Don't quote me on this, but IIRC, IndaGro lamps are 4850-5000K.
When I talked to them on the phone IndaGro told me it was 4850k.
 

chazbolin

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Kelvin is simply a way to determine how humans perceive the color of the light being emitted from the source point (not reflected off of a surface). In visible spectrums the Inda-Gro phospor emits a 4800K CCT. This number is of little use to plants though. If you look at the XYZ coordinates on the Plankian Locus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planckian_locus you can follow the monochromatic values on the edge of the graph and you'll see the values between 380-700nanmeters. Then look at the kelvin curve and exactly where the kelvin values fall within the X,Y coordinates and it's easy to see that these are values that can be achieved dozens of different ways by raising X and lowering Y and vice versa and so on).

The reason I bring this up to this degree is that the value of Kelvin to plant net action absorption spectra is mostly a marketing gimmick to make people buy both a veg and a flower lamp based on different kelvin ratings which are custom 'tailored' to meet plant net action spectra depending on whether it is in a vegetative or flowering phase of growth.

On the other hand there are some LED manufactures who go the other way in narrow band spectra claiming their lights are 100% PAR usable light with 'No Wasted Energy'. Well that is marketing in the other direction since they still emit wavelengths that fall within the 400-700nm PAR regions, they just pick narrow bands and exclude others that are important to overall plant development. In fact if you consider that a plants net action spectra is absorbing, to varying degrees, wavelengths between 400-700nm it means ANY light within 400-700nm is PAR usable. Not such a dramatic statement when you consider it from that perspective.

To illustrate my point take a look at the spectral distribution graph at the bottom of page two and you can see these are two spectrums 440 and 660nm being peaked to the exclusion of other spectrums: http://www.lumigrow.com/wp-content/themes/agivee/images/docs/LumiGrow-Pro-SpecSheet.pdf Of course if it were that simple anyone with a bin full or 440 and 660 nm diodes it would be game over. To exclude these other spectrums in LED design has already proven to be problematic to healthy plant (Emerson Effect) response when not able to absorb spectrums that would be found in nature. If Lumigrow would like to run a side by side I'm up for that.

You don't really need a physics degree to understand plant lighting. If you do your research and buy what works as shown by other growers to be successful and not get swept up in the hype, both you and your plants will appreciate it.
 
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