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Harrekin

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Sanity prevails: US Supreme Court rules that human genes are not eligible for patent protection


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(NaturalNews) In a unanimous ruling, the United States Supreme Court ruled today that human genes cannot be patented. The ruling invalidates the thousands of patents that have already been granted on human genes, including the patent by Myriad Genetics on the BRCA breast cancer genes which the company says no one else can research or even detect without paying it a royalty. Click here to read the complete ruling.

"Myriad did not create anything," said Justice Clarence Thomas. "To be sure, it found an important and useful gene, but separating that gene from its surrounding genetic material is not an act of invention."

Well, exactly. This point should have been obvious to the lower courts, too, but in today's world of corporate domination over seemingly everything, gene industry lawyers were able to argue that patent protection would somehow inspire more innovation and research. "The biotechnology industry had warned that an expansive ruling against Myriad could threaten billions of dollars of investment," wrote Reuters.

But exactly the opposite is true. Gene patents restricted research and created medical monopolies that raised prices for consumers. Even USA Today seemingly gets this point, saying, "The decision represents a victory for cancer patients, researchers and geneticists who claimed that a single company's patent raised costs, restricted research and sometimes forced women to have breasts or ovaries removed without sufficient facts or second opinions."

The ACLU, which argued the case before the Court, said, "By invalidating these patents, the Court lifted a major barrier to progress in further understanding how we can better treat and prevent diseases."

Corporate efforts to influence the Supreme Court ultimately failed

Had the Supreme Court upheld the patentability of human genes, it would have unleashed a horrifying new era of corporations and universities rushing to claim monopoly patent protection on every gene in the human genome. Virtually no one in the media covered this angle other than Natural News. We warned readers that everything found in nature could then be patented: blades of grass, insects, human ears, eye colors, hair colors... anything encoded with DNA.

We also pointed out that Angelina Jolie's carefully orchestrated announcement of a double mastectomy following BRCA gene testing seemed timed to be part of a public relations campaign engineered by the biotech industry to influence the Supreme Court decision. We also challenged Jolie to publicly denounce patents on human genes, which she never did.

It's clear that powerful forces were at work behind the scenes to try to influence this Supreme Court decision, but they failed. Ultimately, the court discovered a moment of unanimous sanity... something we see so rarely that perhaps it deserves patent protection, too.

Huge loss for the biotech and pharmaceutical industries

It's important to note that this decision is a huge loss for the biotech and pharmaceutical industries, both of which relentlessly seek total domination over all forms of life on the planet through monopoly patent protection. The biotech industry, of course, would love to patent all seeds and food crops -- even ones it hasn't genetically engineered. And the pharmaceutical industry would love to patent every human gene, thereby claiming literal ownership over every human being born into the world.

Myriad Genetics tried every desperate argument to convince the court that human genes should be patentable by corporations. They even rolled out a whacky "baseball bat theory" which claims it's an "invention" to decide where to start and end a gene sequence:

"A baseball bat doesn't exist until it's isolated from a tree. But that's still the product of human invention to decide where to begin the bat and where to end the bat." - Myriad lawyer Gregory Castanias.

That absurd argument claims that the mere deciding of which genes to snip out of DNA strands somehow makes all genes corporate property. Thankfully, the court did not agree with the baseball bat theory. As Chief Justice John Roberts explained:

"The baseball bat is quite different. You don't look at a tree and say, well, I've cut the branch here and cut it here and all of a sudden I've got a baseball bat. You have to invent it."

Huge victory for humanity

Ultimately, this decision is a tremendous victory for all humankind because it prevents the power-hungry, evil-bent medical and biotech corporations from claiming ownership over genetic sequences that already occur in nature.

This ruling means the biotech industry cannot patent common plants and animals, either. They can't patent human body parts or human gene sequences. Yes, the industry can still patent synthetically-created genes, said the Supreme Court, but that's something they would actually have to create rather than merely discover in an already-existing organism.

Today's ruling also means that men and women will have access to far less expensive testing for gene sequences in their own bodies. Currently, women who want to test themselves for the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes must pay as much as $4,000 for the test due to the monopoly "ownership" of those genes by Myriad Genetics. But now that the Supreme Court has ruled such patents are invalid, prices for the test should drastically fall over time as competition enters the picture. Ultimately, the test could eventually be offered for as little as $100.

The ruling also means that other companies can conduct research on those genes without first seeking permission from Myriad. This will actually spur more innovation, potentially leading to more advanced genetic analysis tests that might help people better understand their health risks (and hopefully encourage them to change their diets and lifestyle choices to avoid expressing those genes).

In a world that seems increasingly dominated by corporate monopolies and biotechnology insanity, this ruling is a breath of fresh air. It confirms that corporations cannot patent naturally-occurring things which have been in existence for hundreds of thousands of years, and it confirms that when you have a child through an act of genetic replication, corporations cannot force you to pay royalties for your own child.

This is a decision of fundamental freedom, which is why I'm shocked the court actually ruled this way. This must be one of those rare moments of sanity in a Supreme Court that otherwise seems intent on destroying human liberty, dignity and justice.
It was my understanding you couldn't patent something which occurs naturally anyways...

*Puts in his patent application for gold*
 

Doer

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Yes, that was the basis and it was settled law from long ago. But, Law is all about timing. We have to pay to Umpires to even look at it. And then only after Harm has been identified. It is the 9th A. again. If it doesn't harm, it is one of those unstated freedoms.

In fact there are 1000s of human genes that have been patented, but there was no harm. So, what?

Now, however, there is a so what. It blocks me from getting a personal genome map. It blocks other companies from creating tests and so is anti-commerce.

Those established basis were applied forward to cure the harm in this new situation.
 

Harrekin

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Yes, that was the basis and it was settled law from long ago. But, Law is all about timing. We have to pay to Umpires to even look at it. And then only after Harm has been identified. It is the 9th A. again. If it doesn't harm, it is one of those unstated freedoms.

In fact there are 1000s of human genes that have been patented, but there was no harm. So, what?

Now, however, there is a so what. It blocks me from getting a personal genome map. It blocks other companies from creating tests and so is anti-commerce.

Those established basis were applied forward to cure the harm in this new situation.
However, should they encode a gene sequence of their own its covered under intellectual property laws.

When you really break it down though, Monsanto could cure cancer and these FUD idiots would moan it's too expensive or something similar.
 

Doer

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Oh, heck yeah. Someone (you?) posted an article in the science section where it has all been designed.
I don't think they have grown a cell yet. But, that would certainly be, IP, I agree.
 

Harrekin

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Oh, heck yeah. Someone (you?) posted an article in the science section where it has all been designed.
I don't think they have grown a cell yet. But, that would certainly be, IP, I agree.
There was a doctor who created synthetic life, the cell itself was from a simple bacterium but he produced the nucleus from their base chemicals and encoded 100% of it himself.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
There was a doctor who created synthetic life, the cell itself was from a simple bacterium but he produced the nucleus from their base chemicals and encoded 100% of it himself.
Oversell. Making the biomolecule and inserting it isn't synthetic life ... it's fitment of a prosthetic (in that instance ... the need was created by the researcher - was he really an MD? - in question by removing the perfectly good original equipment). cn
 

OGEvilgenius

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I bet this either gets ignored or the Anti-GM fags will flap their arms and try bullshit the numbers.

EDIT: Whats wrong with Minecraft?
I'm not going to quote his lengthy post, but, he's ignoring potentially the most disturbing part of the study - uterine weights increased significantly in the GMO fed pigs indicating potential problems with the pigs reproductive systems (which to properly study would have to be done completely differently).

As far as the rest of his points -

The pigs were in generally unhealthy environments and this might have contaminated results and I don't think the study was exceptionally well designed (in fact I'd say it was really terribly designed).

That said 52% of pigs fed non GMO food experienced moderate to severe inflammation with approximately a 1/4 of those being severe.

56.9% of pigs fed GMO food experienced moderate to severe inflammation with 56% experiencing severe inflammation. This is quite statistically significant, more so than all the other things he mentions. Hence the Pa being .0004 while the rest are notably higher. The fact the non GM have a higher incidence of moderate inflammation could be suggestive but likely isn't because the conditions the pigs were raised in likely contributed to their general health and because the incidence of severe inflammation was significantly higher in GM fed pigs.

Next time you can point me to computer programs written that never crash, we'll talk about how releasing GMO's into the environment isn't mentally retarded, but until then, the chances they are contributing the host of health problems which have increased since their inception is fairly low in my estimation.
 

OGEvilgenius

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However, should they encode a gene sequence of their own its covered under intellectual property laws.

When you really break it down though, Monsanto could cure cancer and these FUD idiots would moan it's too expensive or something similar.
If you cure cancer, you should earn from it, but you shouldn't exploit. Patent law allows exploitation.

I thought you were for the market, apparently not.
 

OGEvilgenius

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fixed that for you....
I didn't cherry pick anything. I explained how your interpretation is quite weak in a number of clearly articulated ways. You can't even properly describe what cherry picking is (you ignoring parts of a study that don't suit you is cherry picking, me expressing what I felt was actually the most concerning part of the study is not). You obviously don't understand statistical analysis.

The fact uterine weights were significantly different is probably the most alarming part of the study. Infertility is a growing problem. Some more alarmist types have warned that our future as a species could be on the line if rates continue to change like they have been, but they might level off or rebound (I doubt it) - who knows?
 

Harrekin

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If you cure cancer, you should earn from it, but you shouldn't exploit. Patent law allows exploitation.

I thought you were for the market, apparently not.
One can be pro-market and still provide temporary protections on people's work to encourage innovation.

Why would a firm invest potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D just to have the end result copied and sold freely by someone else?
 

ginjawarrior

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I didn't cherry pick anything. I explained how your interpretation is quite weak in a number of clearly articulated ways. You can't even properly describe what cherry picking is (you ignoring parts of a study that don't suit you is cherry picking, me expressing what I felt was actually the most concerning part of the study is not). You obviously don't understand statistical analysis.

The fact uterine weights were significantly different is probably the most alarming part of the study. Infertility is a growing problem. Some more alarmist types have warned that our future as a species could be on the line if rates continue to change like they have been, but they might level off or rebound (I doubt it) - who knows?
the whole study was a statistical fishing trip looking for cherries to pick.
its a best a pilot study looking for anomilies

but its passed off as a final study so that people like youself can gush over how the outliers in the data set "an alarming confirmation of GMO's contribution to human infertility" * i paraphrased there but the sentiment is exactly the same*

i would love for you to tell me how suggesting more focused study on the anomilies is ignoring that part of it??

are you expecting me to wet myself and run around hysterically thinking about all the children that never get born (because of GMO) and how is they are born they're doomed to a life of "dodgy shits" (although not slightly or extremaly dodgy as non GMO causes that)
 

OGEvilgenius

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One can be pro-market and still provide temporary protections on people's work to encourage innovation.

Why would a firm invest potentially hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D just to have the end result copied and sold freely by someone else?
Because there is gigantic demand and it takes time to copy something which they will have been working to perfect. They will make their money back if they cure cancer without patent law. If you think otherwise, you really don't believe in the market at all.
 

Dr Kynes

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Because there is gigantic demand and it takes time to copy something which they will have been working to perfect. They will make their money back if they cure cancer without patent law. If you think otherwise, you really don't believe in the market at all.
25 years and billions in research, to make seeds which can be planted grown and reproduced for sale by any asshole with a few acres in 6 months.


better sell them seeds quick if you wanna make your money back ehh?

i can buy dvds of movies that arent even in theatres yet from assholes selling shit out of the trunks of their cars...

AMD copied intel's pentium chip in less than a year.

cool story bro
 

OGEvilgenius

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Or there would be R&D firms that sign deals with multiple manufacturers to get the product out there (even with all of them that are competitive) and receive a small slice of the pie, very small with some language about future dealings and innovations. Less conglomeration.
 

Harrekin

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Or there would be R&D firms that sign deals with multiple manufacturers to get the product out there (even with all of them that are competitive) and receive a small slice of the pie, very small with some language about future dealings and innovations. Less conglomeration.
Why are you so jealous of success?
 

Dr Kynes

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Or there would be R&D firms that sign deals with multiple manufacturers to get the product out there (even with all of them that are competitive) and receive a small slice of the pie, very small with some language about future dealings and innovations. Less conglomeration.
perhaps all the inventors scientists researchers innovators and dreamers should be rounded up, and forced into servitude at government run Thinkatoriums, with all their results given freely to the world...

im sure that would totally work.

incentive based innovation for the public good

what incentive would be best, you might ask?

[video=youtube;YdXQJS3Yv0Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdXQJS3Yv0Y[/video]
 

OGEvilgenius

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Stop proclaiming to believe in the market please, you clearly do not.

The incentive is to make money (filling a demand) and/or general interest and passion. A research and development firm that doesn't also try to invest it's capital in manufacturing has a lot higher probability of survival than one who tries to do it all. Sign deals with multiple manufacturers and you don't really have to worry so much about someone jumping into the market "stealing" your idea and thereby eliminating all potential profit (as the market is already well saturated and why not improve on it while also lowering the cost?). Perhaps this R&D firm ends up arranging their deals so that any future research they do the manufacturers get first crack at it - thereby creating incentive for manufacturers to work with them.

But of course all this means that people actually have to compete and work and do a good job. That's very much unlike today where the biggest always wins regardless of the shit they do thanks to the government assistance they receive.

Get a little imagination please.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Stop proclaiming to believe in the market please, you clearly do not.

The incentive is to make money (filling a demand) and/or general interest and passion. A research and development firm that doesn't also try to invest it's capital in manufacturing has a lot higher probability of survival than one who tries to do it all. Sign deals with multiple manufacturers and you don't really have to worry so much about someone jumping into the market "stealing" your idea and thereby eliminating all potential profit (as the market is already well saturated and why not improve on it while also lowering the cost?). Perhaps this R&D firm ends up arranging their deals so that any future research they do the manufacturers get first crack at it - thereby creating incentive for manufacturers to work with them.

But of course all this means that people actually have to compete and work and do a good job. That's very much unlike today where the biggest always wins regardless of the shit they do thanks to the government assistance they receive.

Get a little imagination please.
No that'd involve people not bothering because their work could be easily replicated.

Stop being such a dumb-dumb and living in the "never gonna happen" hypothetical world of your mind.
 
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