Daily CEO pay now exceeds average worker's annual salary

[cannabineer]

You are mad because someone invented a better idea than you. CEO are people with brilliant ideas 98% of the time. some were born into it, but their parents have the right to leave their kids a Empire that they created. CEO is not a dirty word, that is the American dream. CEOs use to pay employees better but the economy ate shit cuz of big banks loaning money to anything with a pulse.

Actually the guys in the business office usually stole or extorted the ideas from the researchers, scientists, engineers who had the actual idea/implementation, then either get paid bubkes or are simply removed. cn

 

[Harrekin]

Actually the guys in the business office usually stole or extorted the ideas from the researchers, scientists, engineers who had the actual idea/implementation, then either get paid bubkes or are simply removed. cn

Seems to me those people probably signed a contract stating the company that pays them then owns their ideas.

If you wanna be a brainiac and sell your ideas under contract for fuckall then you must be skilled, but not very bright.

 

[tokeprep]

Actually the guys in the business office usually stole or extorted the ideas from the researchers, scientists, engineers who had the actual idea/implementation, then either get paid bubkes or are simply removed. cn

Researchers, scientists, and engineers have their own faults to blame: 1) they often don't care very much about money, or don't understand it well, so they don't insist on getting a fair cut, or they insist on security/speed instead of accepting risk and being patient; 2) they often aren't business savvy, so they don't seek advice, they don't negotiate, and they don't read or pay attention to the documents they're signing.

If you fall into one or both of those categories, it's easy to get screwed.

 

[kpmarine]

Researchers, scientists, and engineers have their own faults to blame: 1) they often don't care very much about money, or don't understand it well, so they don't insist on getting a fair cut, or they insist on security/speed instead of accepting risk and being patient; 2) they often aren't business savvy, so they don't seek advice, they don't negotiate, and they don't read or pay attention to the documents they're signing.

If you fall into one or both of those categories, it's easy to get screwed.

Or there's the fact that in a job market as shitty as ours currently is; people are taking ANY job because they need to eat and pay the bills. Businesses exploit that; they have been doing that since it became a possibility. A down job market is every business' wet dream. You can pay quality labor shit wages and tell them they're just lucky to have a job.

 

[kpmarine]

Seems to me those people probably signed a contract stating the company that pays them then owns their ideas.

If you wanna be a brainiac and sell your ideas under contract for fuckall then you must be skilled, but not very bright.

Refer to my statement to toke. It seems to apply to this.

 

[tokeprep]

Or there's the fact that in a job market as shitty as ours currently is; people are taking ANY job because they need to eat and pay the bills. Businesses exploit that; they have been doing that since it became a possibility. A down job market is every business' wet dream. You can pay quality labor shit wages and tell them they're just lucky to have a job.

I raised your point about risk aversion. I said most people are unwilling to take risk and prefer security over rolling the dice on the fruits of their endeavors. I think this reflects another reality: most people aren't going to have million dollar ideas. Working for someone else has become the most common outcome because it's the most efficient outcome.

Larry Ellison left security in a corporate job and actually put his own money at risk to found his own company; he took a risk, and now he's worth tens of billions. Millions of other people made the same choice and ended up bankrupt. You can't blame people for being risk averse given that reality, but how can people rightfully complain if they aren't willing to take risks themselves? The employers, handing out those shitty conditions you speak of, are giving security to those who seek it and taking the profits of risk for themselves.

Employees need only take risks themselves, accepting all the consequences, to enjoy all of the fruits of their labors.

 

[NoDrama]

I guess you don't understand how "per capita" works, Ausfailian education must be as poor as the quality of their beer...

I have been all around the world, drank beer from the Philippine islands to the coast of Brazil to the tip of Alaska. Australia has some of the best beer I ever had. That Irish stuff is too heavy for my appetite, I like to drink it, not have to cut it into pieces first.

I think I found heaven in a meter glass of Red Swan in Perth in '92. Great country.

 

[NoDrama]

I raised your point about risk aversion. I said most people are unwilling to take risk and prefer security over rolling the dice on the fruits of their endeavors. I think this reflects another reality: most people aren't going to have million dollar ideas. Working for someone else has become the most common outcome because it's the most efficient outcome.

Larry Ellison left security in a corporate job and actually put his own money at risk to found his own company; he took a risk, and now he's worth tens of billions. Millions of other people made the same choice and ended up bankrupt. You can't blame people for being risk averse given that reality, but how can people rightfully complain if they aren't willing to take risks themselves? The employers, handing out those shitty conditions you speak of, are giving security to those who seek it and taking the profits of risk for themselves.

Employees need only take risks themselves, accepting all the consequences, to enjoy all of the fruits of their labors.

Larry Ellison didn't build that.

 

[abandonconflict]

Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.

 

[Dr Kynes]

So 15,241 people per 100,000 in the US are murdered?

All that sun and Fosters must've given you poo-brain...

nah, he just cant read.

total number of "homicides" in 2009 : 15,000

thats a rate of 5 in 100,000, but of course that "homicide" number includes everyone killed by another person, fort any reason and thus includes non-murder events like death in combat, getting shot by the cops while robbing a bank, or getting shot by the owner of the home you are burglarizing.
mexico has a rate/100k of 18.1, and mainly consists of narco-trafficos hacking peoples heads off over cocaine distribution, marxist zapatista "rebels" (read as shitty drug gang pretending to be marxist revolutionaries) bombing government buildings and of course the inevitable knife fights on the streets of tijuana.

ecchi is statistically illiterate, which really helps with the holocaust denial, but is otherwise a detriment.

 

[Rob Roy]

Some regulations need to be in place. Even with existing regulations; some companies will cut corners and risk lives to save a few dollars. The BP oil spill and fertilizer explosion in TX being good examples of these things. I agree, there are definitely many problems with our system, but jumping to the extreme of no intervention does not seem likely to fix everything either.

The free market (the real one, not the fake one) wouldn't have "no intervention". Intervention is appropriate when it includes restitution. In other words a polluter should not AND WOULD NOT be able to hide. Having to resitute others creates the incentive for people not to pollute.

Dr. Mary Ruart called, she said read her book.

 

[Rob Roy]

Was there ever a time when government wasn't involved?

Yes. It happens all the time when two consenting parties make an exchange, without government "permission". Raw milk, cannabis, prostituion, illegal kool aid stands, etc.

It is generally these types of exchanges the government doesn't like, since they don't get their cut or their bag lapped by obedient serfs.

 

[Rob Roy]

per 100,000?

lol, dude find another source because 50 million people weren't murdered in this country last year

That's sounds correct.

Now does this country murder 50 million people in the rest of the world? That seems more accurate.

 

[redivider]

Yes. It happens all the time when two consenting parties make an exchange, without government "permission". Raw milk, cannabis, prostituion, illegal kool aid stands, etc.

It is generally these types of exchanges the government doesn't like, since they don't get their cut or their bag lapped by obedient serfs.

actually, the time is right now!!! and the place to be for all you government hating fools is SOMALIA!

the East African Nation has the smallest Federal Government Footprint of any nation on Earth! The benefits include:

1) a completely informal barter economy, with livestock and supplies serving as currency in nearly every transaction.

2) one of the lowest literacy rates in the world (you'll fit right in!!)

3) Lawlessness, no police force to tell you what to do! - of course that means zero accountability for all the big money to conduct themselves as they wish... the stories are endless

4) Pirates ! RAWR!... yes like actual fucking pirates yo'!!

5) Famine - with no centralized system to organize resources to manage this, violence and hunger are rampant!

6) with no public school system the main education centers are.... RELIGIOUS! yes! < Religion in education, you should be loving this !

I mean if this isn't your government-less utopia, then I can point you to other regions of the world...

Tribal Pakistan where we're making all those friends , the amazonian jungle where the chief fucks your wife before you do, or else.... take your pick .... and GTFO... some of us are trying to take this country back from the modern day 'nobles' who think it is their right to own everything.....

 

[Harrekin]

That's absolutely part of the problem as well, but at this point, I don't think it can be reasonably argued that incredibly wealthy people have the ability to influence politics by essentially purchasing votes that they end up receiving paid back in droves. Wealth itself isn't the problem, it's when that wealth is used for nefarious purposes at the expense of everyone else. When CEO's of financial institutions walk away with huge retirement bonus' and severance packages after bankrupting their company and nearly causing a global economic collapse, all paid for by the taxpayers.

I'd ban large personal and all corporate donations.

Take the money out of politics and the politics go back to the people.

 

[Rob Roy]

actually, the time is right now!!! and the place to be for all you government hating fools is SOMALIA!

the East African Nation has the smallest Federal Government Footprint of any nation on Earth! The benefits include:

1) a completely informal barter economy, with livestock and supplies serving as currency in nearly every transaction.

2) one of the lowest literacy rates in the world (you'll fit right in!!)

3) Lawlessness, no police force to tell you what to do! - of course that means zero accountability for all the big money to conduct themselves as they wish... the stories are endless

4) Pirates ! RAWR!... yes like actual fucking pirates yo'!!

5) Famine - with no centralized system to organize resources to manage this, violence and hunger are rampant!

6) with no public school system the main education centers are.... RELIGIOUS! yes! < Religion in education, you should be loving this !

I mean if this isn't your government-less utopia, then I can point you to other regions of the world...

Tribal Pakistan where we're making all those friends , the amazonian jungle where the chief fucks your wife before you do, or else.... take your pick .... and GTFO... some of us are trying to take this country back from the modern day 'nobles' who think it is their right to own everything.....

You present your argument as if there are only two possibilities of outcome. Is it possible to have a society that operates without a central authority that monopolizes the use of force (a federal government) and still has a fair and just system that creates a mostly peaceful society?

I could pick apart your various examples, but frankly they are low hanging fruit....I don't think your goal is to learn about other possibilities, I think it is to confirm your narrow bias.

 

[Harrekin]

actually, the time is right now!!! and the place to be for all you government hating fools is SOMALIA!

the East African Nation has the smallest Federal Government Footprint of any nation on Earth! The benefits include:

1) a completely informal barter economy, with livestock and supplies serving as currency in nearly every transaction.

2) one of the lowest literacy rates in the world (you'll fit right in!!)

3) Lawlessness, no police force to tell you what to do! - of course that means zero accountability for all the big money to conduct themselves as they wish... the stories are endless

4) Pirates ! RAWR!... yes like actual fucking pirates yo'!!

5) Famine - with no centralized system to organize resources to manage this, violence and hunger are rampant!

6) with no public school system the main education centers are.... RELIGIOUS! yes! < Religion in education, you should be loving this !

I mean if this isn't your government-less utopia, then I can point you to other regions of the world...

Tribal Pakistan where we're making all those friends , the amazonian jungle where the chief fucks your wife before you do, or else.... take your pick .... and GTFO... some of us are trying to take this country back from the modern day 'nobles' who think it is their right to own everything.....

I bet in Somalia they don't assume all their people are guilty until proven innocent...

Maybe you like living in a facist PRISM?

 

[kpmarine]

The free market (the real one, not the fake one) wouldn't have "no intervention". Intervention is appropriate when it includes restitution. In other words a polluter should not AND WOULD NOT be able to hide. Having to resitute others creates the incentive for people not to pollute.

So as long as a human life remains more expensive than the benefit of risking their lives; there will be no unsafe working conditions. How much is a human life worth, exactly?

 

[Rob Roy]

So as long as a human life remains more expensive than the benefit of risking their lives; there will be no unsafe working conditions. How much is a human life worth, exactly?

I'd like to answer your question, but I'm afraid I'm not understanding the first part.

I do agree human life and for that matter ,all life, should be respected. I do tend to value human life over other life forms. How much is a human life worth? A considerable amount.

 

[Harrekin]

I'd like to answer your question, but I'm afraid I'm not understanding the first part.

I do agree human life and for that matter ,all life, should be respected. I do tend to value human life over other life forms. How much is a human life worth? A considerable amount.

Quantify it.