Dyna-Gro Bloom

[LocknessMD]

Hey guys/gals. I've been using Dyna-grow Grow so far during veg and have had great results. When I purchased the the gallon of "Grow" (7-9-5), I also purchased a gallon of "Bloom" thinking I would use it for flower, now after doing more reading I'm not totally sure. So I guess my question is when you guys use it? Maybe during the first couple of weeks of 12/12? During my research of Dyna-Gro products I've read that people use the "Grow" formula all the way through, anyone here ever try that, is it suggested? It's my first grow and just trying to plan ahead on what I might need, thanks

 

[Nizza]

i like to keep doing gro when i flip and then slowly change to a 50/50 grow-bloom but just grow works great from what i hear

 

[NietzscheKeen]

People do what Nizza does and I'd suggest doing that. When you're done with your bloom and grow, I'd get Foliage Pro.
I'm a believer that Foliage Pro is best all the way through. I've seen a few tests where it performed better than many other nutrients such as AN connoisseur. I still have some grow and use it in early veg, the higher P is said to help root formation. You'll want a lower P when you switch to flower; this will keep the plant from stretching as badly.

 

[LocknessMD]

Thanks for the fast response Nizza. I read that other people do that also to get a more rounded nutrient for their plants. I already have it so I might as well give it a shot Do you find yourself having to add a little of this or a little of that also?

 

[Nizza]

normally if i think theres an N deficit i do a lil more veg feed, i pop lots of seeds so they all like diff ratios of nutes it seems and i kindof see-saw back and forth trying to push the bloom food a little but not too crazy.
during veg just veg, and during bloom veg, with a lil bloom
i hear 3ml/gal is a good maintainence feed.

 

[Uncle Ben]

..... I still have some grow and use it in early veg, the higher P is said to help root formation.

Another myth I've believed most of my gardening life too. Actually, it's N that stimulates rooting, much to my surprise. Here's a few of those myths busted:

The Bottom Line

• Vitamin B-1, aka thiamine, does not reduce transplant shock or stimulate new root growth on
plants outside the laboratory

• A nitrogen fertilizer is adequate for transplanting landscape plants; avoid use of “transplant
fertilizers” that contain phosphate

• Healthy plants will synthesize their own thiamine supply

• Healthy soils contain beneficial microbes that synthesize thiamine as well

• Difficult-to-transplant species may be aided by application of auxin-containing products in
addition to nitrogen, but read the label and don’t add unnecessary and potentially harmful
chemicals (this includes organics!)

• Adequate soil moisture is crucial for new root growth; be sure to irrigate new transplants
frequently and use mulch to reduce evaporation

http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

Also, high P foods used at transplant and myco fungi do not get along. One of the benefits of ecto is to "chelate" P in native soils so the plant use it. As you know, P is often locked up, especially in highly alkaline soils.

UB

 

[Uncle Ben]

i kindof see-saw back and forth trying to push the bloom food a little but not too crazy.
during veg just veg, and during bloom veg, with a lil bloom
i hear 3ml/gal is a good maintainence feed.

You can push the bloom food all you want (not that it's gonna have any real world effect) but you start compromising the health, color, and maintenance of your leaves during flowering and you just done fukked it all up.

UB

 

[ricky1lung]

I have been using foliage pro, protect, and mag pro all of the way
through with my best results so far.

Only one plant had some minor def but that was because Im new to promix
and I didn't feed enough soon enough.

Now the plant is healthy and growing fast, the other 2 I have in there had more
nutes earlier and are doing great and show now signs of def.

Foliage pro all of the way for me, I havent even opened the bottle of bloom
and I doubt I will.

 

[Nizza]

i agree with UB, i do get a little yellowing of the fan leaves at the end, and i know it's not good when that happens.

as far as foliage pro goes, how do you apply this throughout the whole grow? do you use it as a soil nutrient or foliar?

the reason i ask is because I didn't know how safe it is to do foliar feeds throughout flowering, or if you maybe are just spraying the fan leaves with it

i have a bottle of the foliar and i use it to give the excelling plants extra nutes so i dont have to mix nutes twice(one stronger for the bigger ones then dilute it for the small ones)
i also use it for clones that need nutes in small mediums

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Another myth I've believed most of my gardening life too. Actually, it's N that stimulates rooting, much to my surprise. Here's a few of those myths busted:



http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

Also, high P foods used at transplant and myco fungi do not get along. One of the benefits of ecto is to "chelate" P in native soils so the plant use it. As you know, P is often locked up, especially in highly alkaline soils.

UB

I'd read an article that suggested that P had little to do with root growth. Thus my wording of my post, lol. What do you think of Jack's Petunia Feed? It's a 22-6-20 I believe. I've thought about using it with native soil. If I'm using native soil, we have an abundance of P, but our N is quite low in most areas, so that might balance things out.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

i agree with UB, i do get a little yellowing of the fan leaves at the end, and i know it's not good when that happens.

as far as foliage pro goes, how do you apply this throughout the whole grow? do you use it as a soil nutrient or foliar?

the reason i ask is because I didn't know how safe it is to do foliar feeds throughout flowering, or if you maybe are just spraying the fan leaves with it

i have a bottle of the foliar and i use it to give the excelling plants extra nutes so i dont have to mix nutes twice(one stronger for the bigger ones then dilute it for the small ones)
i also use it for clones that need nutes in small mediums

You can use it at either way, but I'd recommend just doing a soil drench feeding unless there is a deficiency. How do you apply it throughout the whole grow? Just use it all the way through like you normally would. When the plants are smaller, I'd give them 1/4 tsp. Most people use Pro-Tekt to adjust the pH of their nutrient solution. I've never understood that because mine always winds up being very acidic and I have to use pH up. Anyway, I highly suggest that you NEVER foliar feed Pro-tekt; even in the smallest amount it burned my leaves. Also, I'd wait until the plants are grown a bit before I start adding Pro-tekt to the nutrient solution; that stuff scares me.

 

[LocknessMD]

Gave em a "Grow" (1/4 tsp) and "Bloom" (1/4 tsp) feed yesterday. I'm thinking about flowering in a few days when the AC unit for my flower room arrives I've been feeding them for about a month so I think I might just do PH'ed water next time I water (Wednesday). The lower leaves are turning yellow and dying, but I'm just writing that off as poor light penetration since all 4 plants have it to some degree.



From what I've read and what everyone parrots, yellowing is a "N" problem. But all 4 different strains have it. I've been using "Grow" at 5ml/Gal for about a month now and just started to go 50/50 with "Bloom". It's only the lower leaves and isn't branches that have nodes on it. Just those long stems with leaves. I'm not really worried, the rest of the plant looks amazing. Only question is, do those dying leaves request more nutrients because they are dying or does the plant write them off and take its stored nutrients? To cut or not to cut that is question. When/if I do cut I usually let them get worse and cut them flush at the main stalk.
Thanks guys

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Gave em a "Grow" (1/4 tsp) and "Bloom" (1/4 tsp) feed yesterday. I'm thinking about flowering in a few days when the AC unit for my flower room arrives I've been feeding them for about a month so I think I might just do PH'ed water next time I water (Wednesday). The lower leaves are turning yellow and dying, but I'm just writing that off as poor light penetration since all 4 plants have it to some degree.

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From what I've read and what everyone parrots, yellowing is a "N" problem. But all 4 different strains have it. I've been using "Grow" at 5ml/Gal for about a month now and just started to go 50/50 with "Bloom". It's only the lower leaves and isn't branches that have nodes on it. Just those long stems with leaves. I'm not really worried, the rest of the plant looks amazing. Only question is, do those dying leaves request more nutrients because they are dying or does the plant write them off and take its stored nutrients? To cut or not to cut that is question. When/if I do cut I usually let them get worse and cut them flush at the main stalk.
Thanks guys

What you're experiencing MAY be light starvation of the lower leaves. Idk, if that even really exists.
If the rest of the leaves are healthy then it shouldn't be a deficiency; watch it and see if it spreads.
It is normal for plants to shed older leaves, so don't worry too much unless the problem starts to spread.
That's MY take anyway.

Why not put the pots on the floor and veg for a longer period?

 

[LocknessMD]

What you're experiencing MAY be light starvation of the lower leaves. Idk, if that even really exists.
If the rest of the leaves are healthy then it shouldn't be a deficiency; watch it and see if it spreads.
It is normal for plants to shed older leaves, so don't worry too much unless the problem starts to spread.
That's MY take anyway.

Why not put the pots on the floor and veg for a longer period?

Putting them on the garage floor just seems "dirty" lol. My garage is sealed pretty well but I catch a spider in there every now an again. Is there a reason you suggested to placing them on the floor? Maybe it's cooler down there? I can move the tables to center on the lights. Oh, longer veg and them getting taller. Yeah, I guess if I do veg them longer I will eventually have to cut the legs on the table or place them on the ground I guess I need to do some math in my flower room to get the actual grow height to determine my veg time. I've read plants don't normally exceed 3x the height so I might just take that over-all and divide by 3 haha. I could always lst or get creative. Total ceiling height in the garage is 8 1/2 feet and I would love to utilize it all vertically. Those 4 plants are 2 indica and 2 sativa (Pakistan Valley Kush (freebie), Karamelo (freebie), SLH (GHS), C99 (Female Seeds) so I might have to prop up the smaller ones to compete with the Sativas. I'm going to grow out the freebies and have started cloning the SLH and C99 to keep it perpetual
I met a friend here on RIU that lives in Central Cal and wants to trade his (Thin Mint) GSC (hopefully its Thin Mint) for a cut of the Pakistan and C99. We're both cloning right now and it's going to be pretty cool to meet someone off the forums

 

[Uncle Ben]

Gave em a "Grow" (1/4 tsp) and "Bloom" (1/4 tsp) feed yesterday. I'm thinking about flowering in a few days when the AC unit for my flower room arrives I've been feeding them for about a month so I think I might just do PH'ed water next time I water (Wednesday). The lower leaves are turning yellow and dying, but I'm just writing that off as poor light penetration since all 4 plants have it to some degree.

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From what I've read and what everyone parrots, yellowing is a "N" problem. But all 4 different strains have it. I've been using "Grow" at 5ml/Gal for about a month now and just started to go 50/50 with "Bloom". It's only the lower leaves and isn't branches that have nodes on it. Just those long stems with leaves. I'm not really worried, the rest of the plant looks amazing. Only question is, do those dying leaves request more nutrients because they are dying or does the plant write them off and take its stored nutrients? To cut or not to cut that is question. When/if I do cut I usually let them get worse and cut them flush at the main stalk.
Thanks guys

As predicted and as I warned, that bloom food is doing you harm. You gonna let the comfort zone of forum "gotta use bloom foods" take over or take corrective action by going to a high N food? Forget the bud, it will come (and the plant doesn't need your "help" with some damn food that induces premature leaf drop).... only concentrate on maintaining the leaves. The plant is sacrificing N in the lower leaves and giving it up to the newer, upper growth.

You're wasting a lot of light there, as much as 30%. Get some side reflecting panels perched right against the plants. You can use panels made up large cardboard panels that furniture is shipped in or 4X8' sheets of foam painted at least twice with Behr's Ultra White latex paint.

Petunia Feed should be fine. Try it and see.

 

[NietzscheKeen]

Putting them on the garage floor just seems "dirty" lol. My garage is sealed pretty well but I catch a spider in there every now an again. Is there a reason you suggested to placing them on the floor? Maybe it's cooler down there? I can move the tables to center on the lights. Oh, longer veg and them getting taller. Yeah, I guess if I do veg them longer I will eventually have to cut the legs on the table or place them on the ground I guess I need to do some math in my flower room to get the actual grow height to determine my veg time. I've read plants don't normally exceed 3x the height so I might just take that over-all and divide by 3 haha. I could always lst or get creative. Total ceiling height in the garage is 8 1/2 feet and I would love to utilize it all vertically. Those 4 plants are 2 indica and 2 sativa (Pakistan Valley Kush (freebie), Karamelo (freebie), SLH (GHS), C99 (Female Seeds) so I might have to prop up the smaller ones to compete with the Sativas. I'm going to grow out the freebies and have started cloning the SLH and C99 to keep it perpetual
I met a friend here on RIU that lives in Central Cal and wants to trade his (Thin Mint) GSC (hopefully its Thin Mint) for a cut of the Pakistan and C99. We're both cloning right now and it's going to be pretty cool to meet someone off the forums

Well, they grow in dirt, so dirty isn't a problem typically, lol.
No reason other than having more room to veg for a longer period.

 

[Dboi87]

Another myth I've believed most of my gardening life too. Actually, it's N that stimulates rooting, much to my surprise. Here's a few of those myths busted:



http://puyallup.wsu.edu/~Linda Chalker-Scott/Horticultural Myths_files/Myths/Vitamin B1.pdf

Also, high P foods used at transplant and myco fungi do not get along. One of the benefits of ecto is to "chelate" P in native soils so the plant use it. As you know, P is often locked up, especially in highly alkaline soils.

UB

I've always had trouble rooting clones. It seems from the root myth that later can actually work against cuttings. What's the best way to successfully clone?

 

[koffinkush]

aero cloner gives me 100 % results

 

[Stoned Drifter]

. Most people use Pro-Tekt to adjust the pH of their nutrient solution. I've never understood that because mine always winds up being very acidic and I have to use pH up. Anyway, I highly suggest that you NEVER foliar feed Pro-tekt; even in the smallest amount it burned my leaves. Also, I'd wait until the plants are grown a bit before I start adding Pro-tekt to the nutrient solution; that stuff scares me.

Protekt raises my ph. I never had a problem it burning my leaves while I foliar feed. I use it @ 2ml per quart along w/ neem and peppermint or lavender soap. I foliar twice a week during veg. I also use protekt for clones with great results as well.

 

[northeastbreedersgroup]

Dyna-Grow is an amazing nute line