Do vegans kill pests? (bugs, vermin, etc)

curious2garden

curious2garden

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neosapien said:
I'm like a month + into flower and have the adults under control from plain old sticky traps but for some reason can't get the larvae to die with the BT. Never had a bug problem before. Can't put my finger on it but thinking theycame with the soil.
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Bingo! Go get yourself a bag or two of clean playsand and top those pots off. Watch the assholes go bye bye :)
 
Sunbiz1

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curious2garden said:
Bingo! Go get yourself a bag or two of clean playsand and top those pots off. Watch the assholes go bye bye :)
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Sand for topdressing is a no-no, cuts off the oxygen supply to soil. And it doesn't work on fungus gnats anyways, they go right into the drainage holes.

What does work is this mixed into the medium as well as a topdressing:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Safer-Brand-4-lb-Diatomaceous-Earth-Ant-and-Crawling-Insect-Killer-51702/202743025#.UfPebqzZvp4

Along with sticky traps for adults.
 
neosapien

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How would DE work on the larvae? Would it cut them? Or dehydrate them? I literally have 2000lbs sitting at work.
 
Sunbiz1

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neosapien said:
How would DE work on the larvae? Would it cut them? Or dehydrate them? I literally have 2000lbs sitting at work.
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To an extent, I've tried everything organic including cinnamon etc. Once they move in, they are very difficult to get rid of using any organic approach...including BT or mosquito dunks. BT doesn't actually kill the larvae, it affects their nervous systems over time...which is why it takes forever to work.

The good news is fungus gnats are actually a very minor pest compared to the dreaded spider mites.

Usually by August I get frustrated enough to drench the soil with pyrethrin, which is the only thing I have found safe and effective enough to use.

However, this year the DM has been keeping them enough in check to make it not necessary.

And yes, bagged products are usually the culprit...compost in particular.

Good luck!
 
Fungus Gnat

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neosapien said:
I'm like a month + into flower and have the adults under control from plain old sticky traps but for some reason can't get the larvae to die with the BT. Never had a bug problem before. Can't put my finger on it but thinking theycame with the soil.
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Did you makesure it was the Israelensis strain of BT?
 
sunni

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shrxhky420 said:
Say you go out to a movie or coffee etc. and come home with a bed bug attached to you. Next thing you know you have an infestation... find them one by one and put them outside? Or call an exterminator to take care of the issue? This kind of thing happens all the time
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has yet to happen , ill cross that bridge when it comes too
 
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OP:

I was a vegan, for health reasons, I sill wore leather riding gear (camel skin, to be precise.) I find it curious that non-vegans are so curious, though. My understanding of a pure vegan lays along the lines of a Taoist. Not the rigid pomp and ceremny Taoists (like the Confucians that have adopted basic Taoist principles) or philosophical and whimsical, like the Buddhist who incorporated the Tao Te Ching within their beliefs.

To a Taoist, all life is equal, and we must each choose a path that puts us in the most harmony with all life, so that we can be in harmony with ourselves. To be a Taoist, we must try, by not trying; we must understand why you can never, step into the same puddle twice. To be a Taoist, one must always be walking the "natural path." I studied Taoism, as much as someone like me can, I like the tenets, and decided to model a lot of my life code after it. The past of least resistance, the natural path, also keeps you at harmony with nature, and with others around you. It's all a game of balance.

That being said, Vegans... I'm curious about one thing, I've cracked jokes about it, but I'd really like to know. How can one be a Vegan, if any life is injured or harmed? Wouldn't a vegan only be a pure or true vegan if they ONLY ate the true "gifts of plants." I.e. ripe fruit, ripe nuts and legumes, certain "vegetables," gourds, and posthumously gathered grains? If all life is equal, as is posited frequently by vegans, than what's the justification for killing vegetables to eat them? My problem with all life being equal, and being special, is the problem with most absolutes. It negates it's "special" status, by encompassing all. If all are equal, and all are equally special, than someone that willingly chops up a cauliflower head should find no insult in chopping up a deer, cow, dog, human, or whale.
 
sunni

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minnesmoker said:
OP:

I was a vegan, for health reasons, I sill wore leather riding gear (camel skin, to be precise.) I find it curious that non-vegans are so curious, though. My understanding of a pure vegan lays along the lines of a Taoist. Not the rigid pomp and ceremny Taoists (like the Confucians that have adopted basic Taoist principles) or philosophical and whimsical, like the Buddhist who incorporated the Tao Te Ching within their beliefs.

To a Taoist, all life is equal, and we must each choose a path that puts us in the most harmony with all life, so that we can be in harmony with ourselves. To be a Taoist, we must try, by not trying; we must understand why you can never, step into the same puddle twice. To be a Taoist, one must always be walking the "natural path." I studied Taoism, as much as someone like me can, I like the tenets, and decided to model a lot of my life code after it. The past of least resistance, the natural path, also keeps you at harmony with nature, and with others around you. It's all a game of balance.

That being said, Vegans... I'm curious about one thing, I've cracked jokes about it, but I'd really like to know. How can one be a Vegan, if any life is injured or harmed? Wouldn't a vegan only be a pure or true vegan if they ONLY ate the true "gifts of plants." I.e. ripe fruit, ripe nuts and legumes, certain "vegetables," gourds, and posthumously gathered grains? If all life is equal, as is posited frequently by vegans, than what's the justification for killing vegetables to eat them? My problem with all life being equal, and being special, is the problem with most absolutes. It negates it's "special" status, by encompassing all. If all are equal, and all are equally special, than someone that willingly chops up a cauliflower head should find no insult in chopping up a deer, cow, dog, human, or whale.
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because cauliflower doesnt scream, bleed and cry when i cut it lol
 
dux

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sunni said:
I do not intentionally kill bugs, I don't get many bugs in my home, the odd spider here and there I just pick him up and bring him outside
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You're nuts !! I saw a couple of the biggest spiders I have EVER seen! North of me near your region..somebody called em doc spiders?
 
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