1550 watts of cfl s
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nickfury510
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let me put it this way...i used the cfls for my house lights and hps for a grow light.....the bill went down.....you guys have been brought the info..if you still want to grow inefficient and have small popcorn buds keep up with the cfls..if you want to get the most for your money and time, and grow super heavy dense buds...get yourself some hids....period....there is no excuse to be using cfls when you are using 70w or more.........cfls are for clones and mothers......
homegrownboy
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I think for some of us...using cfl's DURING veg have had great results with growing a very nice plant(s). But nothing for now will ever do better then an HPS during flowering.
LemonHerb
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I think you can veg under CFL very well and with less wattage them most people here suggest, but I think flowering is a differnt story. Here are a couple pictures of my bath room where I do my vegging, there are only 3 marijuana plants there, then a ton of flowers and vegetables. Some of it has been there for 6 weeks some of it has been there for 2 weeks. The weed has been there for 5 weeks right now, neesd to be transplanted again but I am waiting until I get my HPS and then I will move them to flowering too.
For my vegging I am using 2 2ft and 1 4ft T5s and 2 30w CFLs that push 2000 lumen.
Also, I threw in a couple bud pics, day 35 of flowering under CFL.
For my vegging I am using 2 2ft and 1 4ft T5s and 2 30w CFLs that push 2000 lumen.
Also, I threw in a couple bud pics, day 35 of flowering under CFL.
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LemonHerb
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Save for the sun... plus saying nothing will ever beat HPS for flowering is stupid, eventually something will beat HPS, then something will beat that, and so on.
bobtokes
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fair play to ya nickfuryi think what u have said along with afew other guys sums things up more or less cfl s have there uses but hps lites are worth the extra juice come harvest time.
having said that cfl s in the right hands can work well with alot of effort.
ive been a landscape gardener for 23 years and i know for a plant to thrive it needs the right lite soil conditions ph drainage nutes u can compremise on 1 or 2 of these things but not all if u want a reasonable plant as cfls are not the best lite sorce some of the cfl growers are getting every thing else right ive seen the results.
bobtokes, the good news is that those cfls will actually come into play nicely, what i suggest you do is use the cfl for vegging dont invest dis out more cash for extra cfls, instead do what nick did and replace the lights around your home with the cfls when your finished vegging and throw down 120-150 for a hps light, i dunno about you but i spend 120 bucks on herb pretty quickly and if you invest smartly your going to get a whole lot more then 120 bucks worth of pot with no spike in your electricity bill 
FullMetalJacket
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Thats not what he said, not reading the post is stupid...
bobtokes
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why would i replace the 60 & 100w incandesant bulbs in my home with 125w & 200w cfls that would use twice the electric.bobtokes, the good news is that those cfls will actually come into play nicely, what i suggest you do is use the cfl for vegging dont invest dis out more cash for extra cfls, instead do what nick did and replace the lights around your home with the cfls when your finished vegging and throw down 120-150 for a hps light, i dunno about you but i spend 120 bucks on herb pretty quickly and if you invest smartly your going to get a whole lot more then 120 bucks worth of pot with no spike in your electricity bill
come on chap pay attention haha
FullMetalJacket
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I actually dont like cfl's in my house, i changed all mine back to incad. They like throw certain colors off, which is a shame because they do conserve a ton of energy.
bobtokes
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its not a bad idea changing the incads for cfls {around 20 watts} all my lights have coloured shades that might work for you.
Al B. Fuct
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I'm not fond of CFLs for household lighting myself- I also don't like the colour- but I do use them in several places where that's not such a big issue, such as the front porch light. Many of my interior household lights run on dimmers, which won't work with CFLs.
If you go to certain heroics as some CFL evangelists have described (eg moving lights about daily, multiple lights per plant etc), you can do some limited cannabis growing with CFLs, but the result per watt of power used never will meet the overall yield and density you get from HPS.
Compared on watts per lumen, HPS is cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and gives you better buds. $119 for a complete 400HPS system from HTG. No freaking brainer.
If you go to certain heroics as some CFL evangelists have described (eg moving lights about daily, multiple lights per plant etc), you can do some limited cannabis growing with CFLs, but the result per watt of power used never will meet the overall yield and density you get from HPS.
Compared on watts per lumen, HPS is cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and gives you better buds. $119 for a complete 400HPS system from HTG. No freaking brainer.
rocksredsox@yahoo.com
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should i get growbright 400w MH conversion bulb ??
Al B. Fuct
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I use a 400HPS for vegging my mums, have for some years. I tried a "400W" (actually closer to 360W) MH conversion lamp for a month. Just didn't get the growth needed to support the 30 cuttings per each 2 weeks. Results could be different with a MH in an MH ballast.
HPS when used in veg does cause some elongation compared to MH, but since I run a SoG op where there's zero veg time given to clones once they've set root, I WANT tall clones.
If you are running a 'bushy' plant grow, where you veg your clones for some significant period of time before flowering, you'll probably want a MH to keep them shorter.
Short plants are the indoor grower's friend. Excessively tall plants will produce poorly down low on the plant when flowering with any indoor lighting, even the mighty 1000HPS. SoG is a system designed to suit the plants to the limited penetration of indoor light, mainly by eliminating veg time given to clones post setting root.
HPS when used in veg does cause some elongation compared to MH, but since I run a SoG op where there's zero veg time given to clones once they've set root, I WANT tall clones.
If you are running a 'bushy' plant grow, where you veg your clones for some significant period of time before flowering, you'll probably want a MH to keep them shorter.
Short plants are the indoor grower's friend. Excessively tall plants will produce poorly down low on the plant when flowering with any indoor lighting, even the mighty 1000HPS. SoG is a system designed to suit the plants to the limited penetration of indoor light, mainly by eliminating veg time given to clones post setting root.
rocksredsox@yahoo.com
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thanks man. so its not worth the extra 50?
rocksredsox@yahoo.com
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not to be a dick but how the hell do u startt a thread?
Al B. Fuct
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It depends on how you will be using the light. If you can only have one light for veg and flower, get an HPS.
Go to the list of topics and press the 'new thread' button (upper left, top of topic table).
SomeGuy
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I must agree. 120$ aint shit to throw down on a quality grow. Ventilating a 400w hps is not that hard either. What would you spend if you were to go out and buy one ounce of bomb shit? 300-400 bones I imagine. One 400w hps can grow you 5+ ounces easy. You have to spend money to grow properly. I cut corners on clone and mother light. right now Im using t-8 fluros and the speed and product from them is great (for my purposes). I would NEVER use them for flowering a serious grow. I have experimented with flowering under tubes and cfl and the results pale in comparison to hps.
OH.. and for those that think watts does not = heat you must not have ever taken math or basic electronics. 1 watt of power is 1 watt of power regardless of how you try to justify the way you think about it.
Those of you who think watts does not = heat read this and then try and argue.
Heat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ohm's Law Calculators
BigBudBalls
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$120 for a 'real' HPS for a closet grow isn't $120. (for a room, it can work with little issue)
400W in a closet (a lot of us are in that category) is a lot of heat.
The $120 400W HPS is a bat wing.
For a closet grow, a air-cooled hood with duct and fan, is closer to $350.
400W in a closet (a lot of us are in that category) is a lot of heat.
The $120 400W HPS is a bat wing.
For a closet grow, a air-cooled hood with duct and fan, is closer to $350.
Al B. Fuct
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Well, it's a bit simple to say that watts = heat, while that's true in a general sense.
Your light draws a certain number of watts of electrical energy from the AC mains. Some of that is converted into light energy, some is wasted as heat from various loss points such as the ballasts in fluoro or HID lights.
At the end of the day, it's apples and oranges. You simply cannot compare fluoros to HID because there's no such thing as a fluoro with similar luminous output to an HID. Fluoros deliver low intensity light, which produces thin, fluffy buds.
It's too cheap to just do it right from the get-go. Life's too short to grow crappy dope.
Your light draws a certain number of watts of electrical energy from the AC mains. Some of that is converted into light energy, some is wasted as heat from various loss points such as the ballasts in fluoro or HID lights.
At the end of the day, it's apples and oranges. You simply cannot compare fluoros to HID because there's no such thing as a fluoro with similar luminous output to an HID. Fluoros deliver low intensity light, which produces thin, fluffy buds.
It's too cheap to just do it right from the get-go. Life's too short to grow crappy dope.