Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

[Samwell Seed Well]

proceed . . . .

 

[cannabineer]

read back on trout and long DOnE's quest to discredit at any cost even to their own argument . . all on the cuffs of the word sophistry

im convinced (and if that was their intentoin . .checkmate) they both own stock in bio firms . .



Possible GMO labels on products are not ok, because labels infer warning or risk-trouters/DOnERS

and this is thier srguemnt . . .GM foods will exist . . .i would like to knwo which is what

thier sophistry is pathetic and parroted so . . its funny to see Doer stil in here trying to claim some sort of status . . other then liar for cause

My argument is distinct, but it is also an argument against mandatory labeling. While it doesn't follow by a first-order application of reason, I hold that in simple human terms labeling for GM content does infer a warning or statement of risk. Fairly andor rationally? No. But if you look at the overwhelmingly negative public opinion you showed us in an earlier post in re GM, it is a damnation, and a plausibly deniable one to boot. "All we're asking is labeling." Combine those contexts, and seeking mandatory labeling becomes ... effective intent to kill GM as a commercial option. Eighty to ninety-plus per cent of consumers will read it as "don't buy this stuff!", and the labeling advocates are aware of and counting on that. My opinion.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

Id be down with labeling , along side of re education . . . if the general public needs to learn, what positive choices GMO is . .im 100% down with . .. that campaing

dispel with certainty the myths . .

but just like 100% juice and 10% jiucie

id like to know

 

[Harrekin]

Id be down with labeling , along side of re education . . . if the general public needs to learn, what positive choices GMO is . .im 100% down with . .. that campaing

dispel with certainty the myths . .

but just like 100% juice and 10% jiucie

id like to know

We have labelling here, does fuck all.

"Modified corn" or "modified soya" written on the ingredients isn't even noticed, the whole No-GM thing was cool for about 6 months, now noone cares.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

mules are sterile . .sounds like it worked . . .

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

We have labelling here, does fuck all.

"Modified corn" or "modified soya" written on the ingredients isn't even noticed, the whole No-GM thing was cool for about 6 months, now noone cares.

perfect . . im not sure why these sods ,opps . . im moving to new zealand soon, . .these cunts .. . are so threatened by industries identity .. . with GMO or in yalls case modified . .

 

[cannabineer]

We have labelling here, does fuck all.

"Modified corn" or "modified soya" written on the ingredients isn't even noticed, the whole No-GM thing was cool for about 6 months, now noone cares.

If that was the outcome, "nobody really cares", my worries have less grip.

 

[ginjawarrior]

but just like 100% juice and 10% jiucie

id like to know

You do know that 100% juice and 10% juice labels are not mandatory?

The have to be truthful if labelled but nobody is forcing companies to put it on their labels

It's like 100% organic on your label you have to show your using organic methods and have GMO free product. But your not forced to label it organic

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

damnit i didnt know that . . .


well i woulds still prefer GMO labels vs not

but i guess it is a un realistic as well as un fulfilling goal . . .i live in hippy ville so most my food is organic or grown by locals/ as close too. . .

i do wish it was mandatory . . . .for GMO products they are so new(30 years is nothing) . . .just my 2 cents . . beaten into a rail road penny

 

[ginjawarrior]

If that was the outcome, "nobody really cares", my worries have less grip.

If the campaigners for it were honest too instead of the hysterical bullshit we have on here

 

[ginjawarrior]

damnit i didnt know that . . .


well i woulds still prefer GMO labels vs not

but i guess it is a un realistic as well as un fulfilling goal . . .i live in hippy ville so most my food is organic or grown by locals/ as close too. . .

i do wish it was mandatory . . . .for GMO products they are so new(30 years is nothing) . . .just my 2 cents . . beaten into a rail road penny

Well if your wishing for it to be mandatory then your falling back to the "warning label" aren't you?

Companies can put "GMO FREE" labels if they desire that would be analogous to your 100%/10% juice




I still have not seen a good reason from you about why 100% organic falls short of your desired GMO free diet

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

it has less to do with my own organic diet and my belief( yup a belief) that a product that is GM should be marketed as such . . not because its a risk, but because it is different . . i know it sounds weird . .. reasonable labels vs . . . zero calories . . or this product may cuase munchies . . . its just how i feel . . . . .im not afraid of GMO my concerns are not for safety but for consumer transparency . . .. GMO is different from non . .some one owns its genetics . .no one owns natural seed genetics . . . their is no patent

 

[Harrekin]

it has less to do with my own organic diet and my belief( yup a belief) that a product that is GM should be marketed as such . . not because its a risk, but because it is different . . i know it sounds weird . .. reasonable labels vs . . . zero calories . . or this product may cuase munchies . . . its just how i feel . . . . .im not afraid of GMO my concerns are not for safety but for consumer transparency . . .. GMO is different from non . .some one owns its genetics . .no one owns natural seed genetics . . . their is no patent

GMO and non GMO is like saying a vaccinated human is fundamentally different to an unvaccinated human.

There is no difference to how those people are, except one is virtually immune to a type of disease and the other isn't.

Same with roundup ready crops, they just have an immunity to a specific herbicide.

Functionally as a food they are exactly the same with no risks, peer reviewed studies confirm this.

Don't all foods have to list their ingredients anyways? If it contains maize (GM or not) and the ingredients list maize...what's the difference?

Either way, we have labelling, noone cares about it. In the 90's we'd a brief populist "say no to GM" thing but it fizzled out as quickly as it came about.

 

[Antidisestablishmentarian]

I concede that point. However i have the somewhat unformed and subjective feeling that since genetic engineering is much more complex in concept and execution than those other enabling technologies i mentioned, I consider it justifiable to ascribe to it ... a longer development/milestone timeline than is appropriate to the previous examples of heavy-industry techs.

<add> Doer, what i mean is enzyme-driven in vitro gene splicing (and reintroducing the chosen DNA sequences to target germ lines by direct manipulation) as opposed to selective breeding.

I can see your point. It is a very high tech product we are discussing.

 

[Trousers]

dont argue here without a strong fallacy . . . .

Are you trying to save face? You are just repeating things that are not relevant.
You do not understand what you are avoiding arguing about.

Did you read the FDA labeling rules yet?
Why not?
You said people should judge for themselves.
So why are you denying yourself information?

modern or neo influences on technology has nothing on what is or was considered known . . .. . . . world is flat . .. . .and so on
science never changes . . .

Sam trying to sound smart and not saying anything relevant or incisive.

lack of evidence is evidence . .. . say the fallacious duo . . .

You are arguing the same thing.
How many studies back your opinion?

Zero.

I can cite over 600 studies.

Keep flopping around like a fish on the kitchen floor.

 

[Doer]

mules are sterile . .sounds like it worked . . .

Yes, it worked. Why would we want breeding mules? Not necessary for this GM. But, if you are saying mules will always be sterile? No. Not with these techniques in full swing.

If we decide we want breeding mules we can have them because we can ignore the loud minority of fear.

 

[Trousers]

read back on trout and long DOnE's quest to discredit at any cost even to their own argument . . all on the cuffs of the word sophistry

im convinced (and if that was their intentoin . .checkmate) they both own stock in bio firms . .

That is irrelevant. Why don't you attack the ideas instead of the person?
You are adding nothing but immaturity.

Possible GMO labels on products are not ok, because labels infer warning or risk-trouters/DOnERS

They absolutely do infer risk. When 80-90% of the population mistakenly believes that GMO products are dangerous, then a GMO label will seem to them to be a warning label.

You still do not understand that the FDA rules would have to be radically changed and you do not understand the repercussions involved.

If you beleive that GMO is not unhealthy for people then why in the world would you want a label? It does not make any sense.

and this is thier srguemnt (sic) . . .GM foods will exist . . .i would like to knwo which is what

Then you will have to do your own research, lol. Why do you want to know if there is GMO in a product? Are you concerned about your health?

thier sophistry is pathetic and parroted so . .]

You are still not saying anything.
If you are not worried about GMO and health, why do you want a label? (Saying, "I just want to know," is not a valid answer.)

its funny to see Doer/trouters still in here trying to claim some sort of status . . other then liar for cause

You are calling me a liar?
You are like a child. You do nort want to debate, you want to talk about the people you are debating.

If you are not worried about GMO and health, why do you want a label? (Saying, "I just want to know," is not a valid answer.)

Go ahead and ignore me and keep whining about how people argue instead of what they argue.

 

[Trousers]

Id be down with labeling , along side of re education . . .

You absolutely need some re-education. A lot of it.

if the general public needs to learn, what positive choices GMO is . .im 100% down with . .. that campaing

You want to spend millions to educate the people that believe the lies the Anti-GMO people have pushed for all these years?

dispel with certainty the myths . .

If the anti-GMO people are spreading myths, then why is a label necessary?
If there is no need to worry, why do we need labels? ("I want to know" blah blah blah.)

but just like 100% juice and 10% jiucie

id like to know

Why?

With GMO you are getting 100% vegetable, not 10%.



Why do you want to know?

 

[Trousers]

perfect . . im not sure why these sods ,opps . . im moving to new zealand soon, . .these cunts .. .

Is this the best you can do? Call people "sods" and "cunts"?
You can not argue logically so you resort to name calling. I hope some one does not report you for those blatant rules violations. This soddy cunt will not tell on you though.

Do you want to continue to push your illogical stance or do you just want to continue to fail at name calling instead?

are so threatened by industries identity .. . with GMO or in yalls case modified . .

Is English your first language?

 

[Trousers]

damnit i didnt know that . . .

We could write a book.

well i woulds still prefer GMO labels vs not

but i guess it is a un realistic as well as un fulfilling goal . . .i live in hippy ville so most my food is organic or grown by locals/ as close too. . .

i do wish it was mandatory . . . .for GMO products they are so new(30 years is nothing) . . .just my 2 cents . . beaten into a rail road penny

How long is long enough?
Why do you want to know?