Advanced Nutrient Claims"Are they true?"

[blacksun]

AN owns the market when it comes to producing "top shelf meds" and the people that think it cost too much don't have a clue what they are doing anyway. Dynagrow and all that cheap garbage can take a back seat

Spoken like a true noob.

A GOOD grower can adapt and grow "top shelf meds" with any nutrient line. AN, DG, GH, Cyco, BLOOM, literally even hot garbage.

 

[sold777]

Wispy buds are the only ones that have any real power to them . What can I say, I love my sats .

I'll smoke your 'wispy' buds. They look NICE!

 

[Dr. Who]

By the way these trichomes are from the Dr.who strain I just finished... Just for Dr.who who came with facts... Well kinda sounded like a math word problem, no actual details or specifics about a particular product...

I tend to speak in generalities for the ease of understanding. But,,OK,,,,I'll take the challenge.

First off I must say that the AN nutrients in question have changed a TAD. (due to the formula's they used were patented and the patent holder threatened a law suit and I have that on the greatest authority!) Well maybe more then a tad, but they adjusted their instructions to make up for the loss. ANY WAY;;;;
BUD FACTOR X
BUD CANDY
ARE THE SAME THING IN THE SAME CONCENTRATION! (.5% MAG from nitrate,,,used to be 1.5% Mag and 2.0% sulfur from Mag Sulfate)
FINAL FLUSH (.97% mag and 1.3% sulfur from mag EDTA and mag sulfate) is still much closer to that "original" formula I spoke of, but had become this "newly" named product with a new set of instructions that seem kind of puzzling as why would you use a MAG/SULFUR product as a "6 hr prewash"? (because they want some extra mag/sulfur to boost tric/terp production during the wash?) Why bother because you can achieve the same thing for less in other ways!

I didn't even mention VOODOO, TARANTULA and PIRANHA - MICROBES/FUNGUS and BACTERIA that they have you use to replace what comes naturally in soil. Nor do they mention that you have to keep using it because their synthetic Nutrients kill those "living" things....OK , , OK I agree, everyone else's synth's kill them too. BUT,,why not just include them in compatible solutions and end up charging less all the while building yourself a "good" name......one word for that,,,,PROFITS!!!!

Now then, the real point I need to make is that what they really do is make all these fancy adds (including publishing their own glossy propaganda magazine) That get "nubees" sold on just how wonderful and perfect their product is by overrated claim's of the best result's possible. I mean come on here, start with this formula and then move up to this one to improve and then that one to be the best and then this one to be the "MASTER" ROTFL!!!.....That's called marketing , , plain and simple you pay way more then you need to to get the same result's I can achieve for way less money!

The REAL thing that needs to be shown to new growers is that the best thing you can do is to FIRST learn about gardening, the basic's. Like go out and read a few book's on gardening. Then read up on organics and learn what's IN the soil and how those things work for plants (the soil-food-web).....Then read up on some Hydroponics if that's your choice....Then read up on your plant of choice!!!! You see, bottom line,,growing marijuana is not rocket science, but the impression given by some nutrient manufactures and place's like here, make it SOUND that way! How frickin often do I have to tell people they have P&K tox and NOT a Nitro def. because they poisoned their plants with "BUDBLOOD"!! (to much way to soon).

I can make 60 gallons of "feed ready" organic microbe tea for less then .50 cents! Use it for 6 days and then "cheat" with some synthetic supplements in the 7th day and still get the same results you do in the end! Not to mention I'll bet it would taste better! And that's not even a "pure" organic grow anymore (I do that sometimes, but organic is my grow of choice).

I find for the price alone that you could try several dif. manufacturers products (synthetics) and achieve the same results you do now and still have enuff money for the extra razors you have to buy --- LOL (love your avatar).

So that's it. Facts,,just like you asked for. BOOM! DONE!

 

[chewberto]

I tend to speak in generalities for the ease of understanding. But,,OK,,,,I'll take the challenge.

First off I must say that the AN nutrients in question have changed a TAD. (due to the formula's they used were patented and the patent holder threatened a law suit and I have that on the greatest authority!) Well maybe more then a tad, but they adjusted their instructions to make up for the loss. ANY WAY;;;;
BUD FACTOR X
BUD CANDY
ARE THE SAME THING IN THE SAME CONCENTRATION! (.5% MAG from nitrate,,,used to be 1.5% Mag and 2.0% sulfur from Mag Sulfate)
FINAL FLUSH (.97% mag and 1.3% sulfur from mag EDTA and mag sulfate) is still much closer to that "original" formula I spoke of, but had become this "newly" named product with a new set of instructions that seem kind of puzzling as why would you use a MAG/SULFUR product as a "6 hr prewash"? (because they want some extra mag/sulfur to boost tric/terp production during the wash?) Why bother because you can achieve the same thing for less in other ways!

I didn't even mention VOODOO, TARANTULA and PIRANHA - MICROBES/FUNGUS and BACTERIA that they have you use to replace what comes naturally in soil. Nor do they mention that you have to keep using it because their synthetic Nutrients kill those "living" things....OK , , OK I agree, everyone else's synth's kill them too. BUT,,why not just include them in compatible solutions and end up charging less all the while building yourself a "good" name......one word for that,,,,PROFITS!!!!

Now then, the real point I need to make is that what they really do is make all these fancy adds (including publishing their own glossy propaganda magazine) That get "nubees" sold on just how wonderful and perfect their product is by overrated claim's of the best result's possible. I mean come on here, start with this formula and then move up to this one to improve and then that one to be the best and then this one to be the "MASTER" ROTFL!!!.....That's called marketing , , plain and simple you pay way more then you need to to get the same result's I can achieve for way less money!

The REAL thing that needs to be shown to new growers is that the best thing you can do is to FIRST learn about gardening, the basic's. Like go out and read a few book's on gardening. Then read up on organics and learn what's IN the soil and how those things work for plants (the soil-food-web).....Then read up on some Hydroponics if that's your choice....Then read up on your plant of choice!!!! You see, bottom line,,growing marijuana is not rocket science, but the impression given by some nutrient manufactures and place's like here, make it SOUND that way! How frickin often do I have to tell people they have P&K tox and NOT a Nitro def. because they poisoned their plants with "BUDBLOOD"!! (to much way to soon).

I can make 60 gallons of "feed ready" organic microbe tea for less then .50 cents! Use it for 6 days and then "cheat" with some synthetic supplements in the 7th day and still get the same results you do in the end! Not to mention I'll bet it would taste better! And that's not even a "pure" organic grow anymore (I do that sometimes, but organic is my grow of choice).

I find for the price alone that you could try several dif. manufacturers products (synthetics) and achieve the same results you do now and still have enuff money for the extra razors you have to buy --- LOL (love your avatar).

So that's it. Facts,,just like you asked for. BOOM! DONE!

I agree with plenty of your post... As far as microbial life pirahna tarantula etc.. it needs to be intermittent not used every feed, only at beginning of veg and the beginning of flower which charges the microbial life and keeps it active, you are supposed to read before just using the products in conjunction with synths, just like h202 kills the media life...it needs to be used properly.. I do agree with the marketing scheme and the synthetic lines it is silly and cartooned out and redundant, and its bullshit... But they do offer an organic line, and would like to hear your opinions on AN 100% organic line? Thank you for taking the time to provide healthy information for people to make a decision...I have read about the same product different label thing as well, but I also read not all ingredients can be labeled... So perhaps there is other stuff in it, I'm not sure..

 

[chewberto]

Here is a complete list of all the Advanced nutrients products including ingredients! Enjoy!

Product
Bloom - 3 part Base
List of Raw Ingredients List
Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate
Grow - 3 part Base
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Ammonium Sulfate, Magnesium Nitrate
Micro - 3 part Base
Calcium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Urea, Iron EDDHA, Free Form EDTA, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Manganese EDTA, Borate, Zinc EDTA, Copper EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Cobalt Chelate
Jungle Juice Grow
Ammonium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Carbonate, Potassium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Sulfate
Jungle Juice Micro
Ammonium Molybdate, Calcium Nitrate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Potassium Sulfate, Calcium Carbonate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron DPTA
Jungle Juice Bloom
Magnesium Phosphate, Phosphoric Acid, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Cabonate, Potassium Sulfate, Magnesium Carbonate, Magnesium Sulfate
pH Perfect Grow
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Amino Chelate Nitrogen Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine,
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L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Fulvic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds
pH Perfect Bloom
Monopotassium Phosphate, Urea, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulfate, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, Potassium Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Fulvic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds, Proprietary phosphate
pH Perfect Micro
Calcium Nitrate,Magnesium Nitrate, Calcium Amino Chelate,Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA,Iron EDTA, Iron Amino Chelate, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, Manganese EDTA, Manganese Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Borate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Magnesium Amino Chelate, Humic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds
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pH Perfect Sensi Bloom A
Calcium Nitrate, Urea, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Amino Chelate, Iron EDTA, Iron Amino Chelate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, Manganese EDTA, Manganese Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Borate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA, Calcium Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Humic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds
pH Perfect Sensi Bloom B
Potassium Nitrate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Urea, Potassium Sulfate, Potassium Amino Chelate, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Fulvic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds, Proprientary phosphate
pH Perfect Sensi Grow A
Calcium Nitrate,Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Amino Chelate,Iron EDTA, Iron Amino Chelate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, Manganese EDTA, Calcium Amino Chelate,Manganese Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Borate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino
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Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine,
Humic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds
pH Perfect Sensi Grow B
Potassium Nitrate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Urea, Potassium Sulfate, Potassium Amino Chelate, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Fulvic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds, Proprietary phosphate
pH Perfect Connoisseur A
Calcium Nitrate, Urea, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Amino Chelate, Iron EDTA, Iron Amino Chelate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Manganese EDTA, Manganese Amino Chelate,Nitrogen Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA, Humic Acid, Calcium Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH Balancing and pH Stabilizing compounds.
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pH Perfect Connoisseur B
Potassium Nitrate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Urea, Potassium Sulfate, Potassium Amino Chelate, Nitrogen Amino Chelate, L- Alanine,L- Arginnine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Fulvic Acid, Non Ionic Surfactant, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts, Proprietary Blend of pH balancing and pH stabilizing compounds, Proprietary phosphate
Ancient Earth
Multiple sources of lenordite
B-52
Potassium Nitrate, Urea, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Seaweed Extract Powder, Humic Acid, Fulvic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate (B-1), Niacinamide (B-3), Calcium D-Pantothenate (B-5), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (B-6), Riboflaven (B-2), Folic Acid.
Big Bud Liquid/ Big Bud Powder
Potassium Sulfate, Monopotassium phosphate, whey protein hydroslate L- Alanine,L- Arginnine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine, Ascorbic Acid, Citric Acid
Bud Blood Powder
Monopotassium phosphate, Erythrozine, Calcium Acetate
Bud Candy
Glucose, Xylose, Ribose, Maltose, Glactose Magnesium Nitrate, Fulvic Acid, Proprietary Fractionated Resin and Essential Oil Enhancing Plant Extract
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Bud Factor X
Proprietary Blend of Crustations, Magnesium Nitrate, Glucosime, Proprietary Bloom Enhancing Plant Extract.
Carboload Powder Carboload Liquid Final Phase
F1 (Fulivc Acid)
Glucose, Xylose
Glucose, Xylose
Magnesium Sulfate, Free Form EDTA
Multiple Sources Lenordite
H2 ( Humic Acid) Hammerhead
Multiple Sources Lenordite
Monopotassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate
Heavy Harvest Fall
Urea granular, Potassium Sulfate Granular, Monoammonium phosphate granular, Triple Superphosphate
Heavy Havrest Spring
Urea Polycote 39-0-0, Urea Granular 46-0-0, Potassium Sulfate, Granular Monoammonium phosphate, Dolomite Lime, Micro Frit, Copper Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Iron Oxide, Iron Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Sulfate
Heavy Harvest Summer
Urea Granular, Potassium Sulfate Gran, Monoammoniun Phosphate Gran, Dolomite Lime, Micro Frit, Iron Oxide, Iron Sulfate, Manganese Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Sulfate
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Iguana Bloom
Fish Meal, Yucca Extract, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Extract, Brewer's Yeast, Fulvic Acid, High Phosphours Bat Guano, Krill Meal, Humic Acid,
Iguana Grow
Fish Meal, Yucca Extract, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Extract, Brewer's Yeast, Fulvic Acid, High Phosphours Bat Guano, High Nitrogen Bat Guano, Krill Meal, Humic Acid,
Kushie Kush
Monopotassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Whey Protein, L-Alanine, L-Arginine, L-Aspartic Acid, L-Cystine/L- Cysteine,L-Glutamic Acid, L-Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine
Connoisseur A - 2 part Base
Potassium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Urea, Iron EDDHA, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Manganese EDTA, , Zinc EDTA, Free Form EDTA, Copper EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Cobalt Chelate, Borate, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts
Mother Earth Super Tea Bloom
High Phosphours Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Earthworm Castings, Alfalfa Meal, Seaweed Extract, Fish Emulsion, Humic Acid, Fulvic Acid
Mother Earth Super Tea Grow
High Nitrogen Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Earthworm Castings, Alfalfa Meal, Seaweed Extract, Fish Emulsion, Fulvic Acid, Humic Acid
Nirvana
Potassium Sulfate, Fulvic Acid, Humic Acid, High Phosphours bat guano, Alfalfa Meal, King Krill Meal, Azomite, Seaweed
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Extract, Yucca Extract, Quella Extract, Yeast Extract, Whey Protein Hydrolsate, L- Alanine,L- Arginnine, L-Aspartic Acid, L- Cystine/Cysteine, L-Glutamine, L-Glutamic Acid, L- Glycine, L-Histidine, L-Hydroxyproline, L-Isoleucine, L-Leucine, L-Lysine, L-Methionine, L-Phenylalanine, L-Proline, L-Serine, L-Threonine, L-Tryptophan, L-Tryosine, L-Valine , Proprietary Blend of fractionated Plant Extracts.
No Shock
Monoammonium Phosphate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Urea, Thiamine Mononitrate, Fulvic Acid, Proprietary plant extract blend of Stress Releiving Agents
Organic B
Proprietary Blend of High B-Vitiman Yeast Extracts
Overdrive
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Nitrate, Asobic Acid, Folic Acid, Fulvic Acid
pH Down pH Up
Phosphoric Acid Caustic Potash
Sensi Cal Bloom
Magnesium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Iron EDTA, Iron Amino Chelate Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Manganese EDTA, Manganese Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA
Sensi Cal Grow
Magnesium Nitrate, Calcium Nitrate, Iron EDTA, Iron Amino
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Chelate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDDHA, Manganese EDTA, Manganese Amino Chelate, Zinc EDTA, Zinc Amino Chelate, Boron Amino Chelate, Copper EDTA, Copper Amino Chelate, Molybdenum Amino Chelate, Cobalt Amino Chelate, Free Form EDTA
Connoisseur B - 2 part Base
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulfate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Phosphate, Proprietary Blend of Blooming Co-Factor Plant Extracts
SensiZym
Proprietary Blend of (Xylanase, Cellulase, Beta-Glucanase, Galactase), Proprietary Blend of Yeast Extracts, Monopotassium Phosphate
Super Nutrients Super Bud Blaster
Monopotassium Phosphate
Tarantula Powder
Kelp, Calcium Oxide, Ferric Oxide, Arthrobacter globiformis, Bacillus brevis, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus polymyxa, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus thuringiensis canadiensis, Paenibacillus polymyxa
Tarantula Liquid
Arthrobacter globiformis, Bacillus brevis, Bacillus coagulans, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus polymyxa, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus thuringiensis, Bacillus thuringiensis canadiensis, Paenibacillus polymyxa
Pirhana Powder
Calcium Oxide, Magnesium Oxide, Ferric Oxide, Trichoderma kongii, Trichoderma viride, trichoderma
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harzianum, Glomus arrregatum, Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba,Rhizopogon villosulus, Pseudomonas putida, Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Pirhana Liquid
Trichoderma kongii, Trichoderma viride, trichoderma harzianum, Glomus arrregatum, Glomus intraradices, Glomus mosseae, Rhizopogon amylopogon, Rhizopogon fulvigleba,Rhizopogon villosulus, Pseudomonas putida, Pseudomonas chlororaphis
Revive RhinoSkin
Calcium Nitrate, Magnesium Nitrate, Urea, Iron EDTA, Zinc EDTA
Potassium Silicate
Voodoo Juice
Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus megaterium, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus licheniformis, Paenibacillus azotofixans, Bacillus mycoides, Bacillus laterosporus, Bacillus macerans, Bacillus polymyxa, Bacillus cereus, Paenibacillus polymyxa.
Wett betty Original Wett betty Organic
Potassium Sulfate, Non Ionic Surfactant
Organic Potassium Sulfate, Saponin (Saponaria) Quallia, Yucca Extract
Bud Ignitor
Monopotassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Propretory blend of flower enhanching plant extract agents.
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Jungle Juice 2 part Bloom A
Potassium Nitrate, Urea, Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Molybdate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron DPTA
Jungle Juice 2 part Bloom B
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Nitrate
Jungle Juice 2 part Grow A
Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Molybdate, Cobalt Nitrate, Copper Nitrate, Potassium Nitrate, Zinc Nitrate, Potassium Borate, Manganese EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Iron DPTA
Jungle Juice 2 part Grow B
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Nitrate, Urea
Organic Bud Candy Blood Bud Liquid
Glucose, Maltose, Ribose, Galactose, Xylose, Potassium Sulfate
Monopotassium Phosphate, Yellow Dye, Grape Dye, Red Dye
Sensi Bloom A 2-part Base
Potassium Nitrate, Urea, Calcium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Manganese EDTA, Borate, Zinc EDTA, Free Form EDTA, Copper EDTA, Sodium Molybdate, Cobalt Chelate
Sensi Bloom B 2-part Base
Potassium Nitrate, Magnesium Phosphate, Monopotassium Phosphate, Magnesium Sulfate, Magnesium Nitrate
Sensi Grow A 2-part Base
Calcium Nitrate, Iron DTPA, Iron EDTA, Iron EDDHA, Manganese EDTA, Borate, Zinc EDTA, Free Form EDTA,
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[chewberto]

So according to this list Bud candy and Bud factor X are not the same exact thing!

 

[budman111]

So according to this list Bud candy and Bud factor X are not the same exact thing!

I read somewhere Bud factor X has Chitosan to act as a PGR?

 

[Dr. Who]

No, I have not used their organic line. I'm sure it works just fine (your pics show bare that out) and I'm glad to see they have an organic line now. But, I feel that it's just another "profits" move on their part. I have been growing for a l o n g - l o n g time and have found that I prefer to make my own teas and supplement on my own from experience and schooling. I save HUGE amounts of dollars by doing it this way. I teach class's on growing MM in my spare time and include ALL forms of growing in the class. I even supply the way I feed and the formula's to make your own (including others formula's) and how to do that (advanced class). But still ask that all students read up on general gardening before they get into it in detail. I also tell them that most manufactures over "hype" their products (including organic line's) to simply get into their wallets. AN falls into that category. I also tell them that these guys stuff works, but you can do it better for less and it will take time and experience to get to that point. "Be patient", keep notes on everything and refer to them often!

Like I said, AN works, it's just not cost effective.

 

[Dr. Who]

WOW,,headache from ingredients list. Feels like I'm back in college....OK, I'll give you that but in what concentrations and are they actively making a difference from one to another?
Please inform me how? wink, wink.....

At any rate this is mostly opinions.
I just can't abide by the practice of way to many products bottled for the love of money at my cost. Or the FACT that they do it to those who don't know any better for that profit.

 

[chewberto]

No, I have not used their organic line. I'm sure it works just fine (your pics show bare that out) and I'm glad to see they have an organic line now. But, I feel that it's just another "profits" move on their part. I have been growing for a l o n g - l o n g time and have found that I prefer to make my own teas and supplement on my own from experience and schooling. I save HUGE amounts of dollars by doing it this way. I teach class's on growing MM in my spare time and include ALL forms of growing in the class. I even supply the way I feed and the formula's to make your own (including others formula's) and how to do that (advanced class). But still ask that all students read up on general gardening before they get into it in detail. I also tell them that most manufactures over "hype" their products (including organic line's) to simply get into their wallets. AN falls into that category. I also tell them that these guys stuff works, but you can do it better for less and it will take time and experience to get to that point. "Be patient", keep notes on everything and refer to them often!

Like I said, AN works, it's just not cost effective.

Spot on man! I agree... And making your own teas and sweets are great and very cost effective...no brainer for sure, I stand by the same, it works great, but is rather pricey and the marketing and plethora of bottles is overkill, that is what needed to be clearly stated not " its a rip off scammer yada yada) ..I have an instant tea from OGTea which is a veganic microbial booster...instant brew and will encorporate that with super soil soon to test them out.... Thanks for chatting

 

[churchhaze]

Just learn to garden and it won't matter which brands you use.

AN is good if you need your hand held and feel like paying out the ass for some chemicals. The same could be said about just about every other major hydro brand.

There's really nothing special about AN's products compared to say GH products.

 

[JonnyAppleSeed420]

I tend to speak in generalities for the ease of understanding. But,,OK,,,,I'll take the challenge.

First off I must say that the AN nutrients in question have changed a TAD. (due to the formula's they used were patented and the patent holder threatened a law suit and I have that on the greatest authority!) Well maybe more then a tad, but they adjusted their instructions to make up for the loss. ANY WAY;;;;

Your talking politics now and has nothing to do with quality of products. Formulations change quite regularly, products get banned or allowed, rules and regs. change constantly. Semantics and politics to the grower.

why would you use a MAG/SULFUR product as a "6 hr prewash"? (because they want some extra mag/sulfur to boost tric/terp production during the wash?) Why bother because you can achieve the same thing for less in other ways!

Do you think your flushing your plants or their medium?

I didn't even mention VOODOO, TARANTULA and PIRANHA - MICROBES/FUNGUS and BACTERIA that they have you use to replace what comes naturally in soil. Nor do they mention that you have to keep using it because their synthetic Nutrients kill those "living" things....OK , , OK I agree, everyone else's synth's kill them too. BUT,,why not just include them in compatible solutions and end up charging less all the while building yourself a "good" name......one word for that,,,,PROFITS!!!!!

You just said their synthetic nutes would kill the living things and now you want then to put it into one bottle?? Do you understand formulations and the reasons why certain products are not compatible with each other but both are required?

Now then, the real point I need to make is that what they really do is make all these fancy adds (including publishing their own glossy propaganda magazine) That get "nubees" sold on just how wonderful and perfect their product is by overrated claim's of the best result's possible. I mean come on here, start with this formula and then move up to this one to improve and then that one to be the best and then this one to be the "MASTER" ROTFL!!!.....That's called marketing , , plain and simple you pay way more then you need to to get the same result's I can achieve for way less money!!

Advertising is a valuable tool for any company, can't judge a company by how well they market themselves, should judge the products. To be able to judge the product you must have a knowledge base built from experience not reading. Reading is the FIRST step.

The REAL thing that needs to be shown to new growers is that the best thing you can do is to FIRST learn about gardening, the basic's. Like go out and read a few book's on gardening. Then read up on organics and learn what's IN the soil and how those things work for plants (the soil-food-web).....Then read up on some Hydroponics if that's your choice....Then read up on your plant of choice!!!! You see, bottom line,,growing marijuana is not rocket science, but the impression given by some nutrient manufactures and place's like here, make it SOUND that way! How frickin often do I have to tell people they have P&K tox and NOT a Nitro def. because they poisoned their plants with "BUDBLOOD"!! (to much way to soon).

Excellent advise I would also recommend to research products and understand the why's and when's. You right its not rocket science but what is a good yield to you will not be a good yield to me.

I can make 60 gallons of "feed ready" organic microbe tea for less then .50 cents! Use it for 6 days and then "cheat" with some synthetic supplements in the 7th day and still get the same results you do in the end! Not to mention I'll bet it would taste better! And that's not even a "pure" organic grow anymore (I do that sometimes, but organic is my grow of choice).

Well just from what I have read has given me a little insight in your experience level and I would not be challenging too many here that's for sure JAS

 

[Southerner]

My problem is when people defend any particular brand with the purely ancedotal evidence of "well look at this picture of the plants I grew, they are dank so it must be all this extra money im spending on AN nutes". I don't limit that to AN believers, though. There is such little scientific and empirically gathered data on the effects of these "add-on" ferts(outside of the basic NPK needs of the plant) to the growth of cannabis specifically to the point that you are LITERALLY buying into the hype. That's just my crappy opinion though, do whatever works for you but don't ever think there is only one way for premium results.

 

[chewberto]

My problem is when people defend any particular brand with the purely ancedotal evidence of "well look at this picture of the plants I grew, they are dank so it must be all this extra money im spending on AN nutes". I don't limit that to AN believers, though. There is such little scientific and empirically gathered data on the effects of these "add-on" ferts(outside of the basic NPK needs of the plant) to the growth of cannabis specifically to the point that you are LITERALLY buying into the hype. That's just my crappy opinion though, do whatever works for you but don't ever think there is only one way for premium results.

Npk is the backbone. What about your rhizosphere and the microbial life within the media? These "add ons" help the plant uptake the nutrients more effectively.. In turn they thrive more instead of work just to survive...

 

[chewberto]

Just learn to garden and it won't matter which brands you use.

AN is good if you need your hand held and feel like paying out the ass for some chemicals. The same could be said about just about every other major hydro brand.

There's really nothing special about AN's products compared to say GH products.

That's false... Also lets not forget AN has an organic schedule...Gh is different, all nutrients impart a "brand" IMO in the flavor and growth...if its all the same why can I tell the difference between FoxFarm, go, advanced, supersoil? It's different, achieving success can be had at different levels.

 

[Southerner]

Of course microbial life is very important, especially for an organic soil grow. But you don't need a bunch of extra products to sustain a healthy rhizosphere, especially if you are using quality soil. Something like a molasses additive I could definately see as useful, but no more so than a bottle of unsulphered molasses from the grocery store.

Are you telling me you can literally taste what kind of nutes people use? Also, while AN does have an organic line-- so does GH. In my opinion NPK is NPK. You can ether deliver that through chemical ferts that the plant can directly absorb or an organic process of microbes breaking down guanos, etc to put it in a form the plant can uptake. Every brand wants you to believe there is something special and unique about their line; but it's mostly just the same chemicals that mainstream agriculture have been using way before the big medical/hydroponics boom took place. Anything outside that, such as bloom boosters/bud hardeners/whatever new and shiny bottle is put out next, probably does not have enough valid research behind its use and possible health effects to support spending your money on let alone spraying/feeding your plants with.

 

[churchhaze]

If you're going the organic route, why spend so much money on bottles of literal shit? Chicken shit is probably better anyway.

That's false... Also lets not forget AN has an organic schedule...Gh is different, all nutrients impart a "brand" IMO in the flavor and growth...if its all the same why can I tell the difference between FoxFarm, go, advanced, supersoil? It's different, achieving success can be had at different levels.

 

[churchhaze]

As for bloom boosters, they're all basically buffered or unbuffered mono potassium phosphate, which is a main ingredient in almost all hydroponic mixes as the main source of phosphate. It's been the same in hydroponic mixes since at least the 30s.

 

[chewberto]

As for bloom boosters, they're all basically buffered (with potassium hydroxide) or unbuffered mono potassium phosphate, which is a main ingredient in almost all hydroponic mixes as the main source of phosphate. It's been the same in hydroponic mixes since at least the 30s.

Go back and read the ingredients list for carboload, or bud candy for example! I already provided this info a few back....hint not what you said....

 

[homebrewer]

Go back and read the ingredients list for carboload, or bud candy for example! I already provided this info a few back....hint not what you said....

hint: those aren't bloom boosters.