Bigger Yields For Sure

[Solo508]

So, after reading numerous responses to the universal question of indoor medical and recreational growers around the world, "How do I get more bud (yield)?!" I realized that while most of the responses were headed in the right direction and contained some very decent grow tips, not one contained the right answer. Yes, light has a great deal to do with yield. So does grow medium, nutrients and temperature. But the most important, the one thing that will increase your yield for sure, the one thing that most indoor SCROG/SOG growers ignore is... wait for it... volume! After 10 years of testing and experimenting with both indicas and sativas on both the East Coast and Down South, the most important lesson I have learned is that if you want more bud you need more dirt. Plain and simple, no ifs, ands, or buts... it's a fact, to get more bud you need more dirt. The larger your volume of dirt, the larger your root system, the larger your root system, the more well fed and robust the plant will be, the more well fed and robust the plant, the bigger the buds and higher the yield. The reason why, in my personal opinion, this is ignored by a lot of SCROG/SOG growers is because they have this idea that if you grow a lot of smaller plants in a smaller area you are increasing your efficiency. While that may be true for people who are trying to grow more than one strain in a limited area and still yield a decent weight per plant, that is not the case in general. I laugh when people say "If your getting .5 per watt your killing 'em", ha! I do a pound per plant easy (dried nug)with 30 gallons and one 600w dualarc, can do 2 pounds with two seeds 60 gallons of dirt and 600w dualarc... easy!

 

[GOD HERE]

Who are you?

 

[dr.tree]

I call bull shit on two pounds under a six hundred. big pots are important and I give you that and it is something that is over looked. My rule of thumb is one once per gallon of soil Is about what a you can get. Now hydro and coco are a little different.

 

[ninja1]

What you say is a fair size to have for coco?

 

[ILoveYouSweetLeaf]

are you taking into account the extra time for that large plant to grow?
(this is only an example, the numbers used are for clarity) say it takes one person 60 days from seed to harvest and they harvest a half pound.
and it takes you 120 days for your plant to fill out that 30 gallon pot from seed to harvest.
then the yield is essentially the same.

I am a rookie, but it would seem to me all things contribute, and there is no one single factor that is the overriding factor.

 

[dr.tree]

Wish I could give you a answer but my experience with coco is limited to s few buds that use it. I did hydro for a long time. I'm a converted dirt bagger. But coco is more like hydro. In hydro I've seen three gallon container put out a huge plant. But five gallon hydro bucket is as big as I went. Didn't see a huge difference like I thought I would

 

[a mongo frog]

are you taking into account the extra time for that large plant to grow?
(this is only an example, the numbers used are for clarity) say it takes one person 60 days from seed to harvest and they harvest a half pound.
and it takes you 120 days for your plant to fill out that 30 gallon pot from seed to harvest.
then the yield is essentially the same.

I am a rookie, but it would seem to me all things contribute, and there is no one single factor that is the overriding factor.

The op is correct. If u veg 2 plants for 4 weeks and throw one in a 3 gallon pot and one in a 10 gallon pot, the one in the 10 gallon pot will dominate. More root mass, bigger trees, bigger buds, bigger smiles. Really it's a no brainier.

 

[dr.tree]

A bag of dirt that you buy at the hydro store is 10 gallons if you rip it open and put a clone in it works great. The difference in ten to twenty gallon showed small gains for me but maybe if you had the room you benefit enough to justify it

 

[budman111]

So, after reading numerous responses to the universal question of indoor medical and recreational growers around the world, "How do I get more bud (yield)?!" I realized that while most of the responses were headed in the right direction and contained some very decent grow tips, not one contained the right answer. Yes, light has a great deal to do with yield. So does grow medium, nutrients and temperature. But the most important, the one thing that will increase your yield for sure, the one thing that most indoor SCROG/SOG growers ignore is... wait for it... volume! After 10 years of testing and experimenting with both indicas and sativas on both the East Coast and Down South, the most important lesson I have learned is that if you want more bud you need more dirt. Plain and simple, no ifs, ands, or buts... it's a fact, to get more bud you need more dirt. The larger your volume of dirt, the larger your root system, the larger your root system, the more well fed and robust the plant will be, the more well fed and robust the plant, the bigger the buds and higher the yield. The reason why, in my personal opinion, this is ignored by a lot of SCROG/SOG growers is because they have this idea that if you grow a lot of smaller plants in a smaller area you are increasing your efficiency. While that may be true for people who are trying to grow more than one strain in a limited area and still yield a decent weight per plant, that is not the case in general. I laugh when people say "If your getting .5 per watt your killing 'em", ha! I do a pound per plant easy (dried nug)with 30 gallons and one 600w dualarc, can do 2 pounds with two seeds 60 gallons of dirt and 600w dualarc... easy!

been saying for years - more roots = more fruits

 

[Cobnobuler]

I guess I really should make a change in my pot size. My growroom is of limited size so I use 3 1/2 gal pots. I only have 6 ft of total height to work with. My quality is even better than I ever expected, but the quantity leaves much to be desired. I'm luck if I pull 2 oz per plant. I use twin 400 watt MH and HPS. My latest run for the first time contains a 5 gal pot. They're still only a month into veg, but I'm curious to see if the 5 does produce an overall bigger plant. I have to be careful with height, but I can stand them to be a lot bushier.

 

[Jack Harer]

I got the biggest bud I have personally ever seen (2 oz dry weight) out of a 20oz party cup! Yes, theoretically, root ball plays a role, but in MY experience the single contributing factor that made the most difference (aside from proper nutrition) was when I switched from 400w lights to 1K.

 

[Growingforpeace]

Okay, no shit more soil and vegetative time is going to produce a huge plant. As someone said above in the time it takes to veg and flower a tree you could have run 3 or 4 cycles of a sog and get the same yield if not better. You would also see a quicker turnaround and if something went wrong you would lose a lot of smaller plants that didnt have much of a time investment in. Lets say your timer goes nuts or a power outage happens or a surprise visit all that veg time is wasted and good luck hiding a tree. Im tired of people always saying the sameshit about pot sizes dont you think people can already wrap their mind around the concept that bigger plants = a bigger yield. Dont mean disrespect but i read this shit 500 times a day.

 

[blacksun]

The reason why, in my personal opinion, this is ignored by a lot of SCROG/SOG growers is because they have this idea that if you grow a lot of smaller plants in a smaller area you are increasing your efficiency.

Don't mash SCROG and SOG into the same thing.

SCROG = screen of green = low amount of plants grown to be larger than normal by use of the screen.

SOG = sea of green = lots of small plants smashed next to each other as tight as possible.

They aren't exactly opposites, but they are very different from each other. If someone is using a screen on their SOG, it's for support and not a true SCROG.

 

[ThaMagnificent]

Strong 1st post

 

[rryyddeerr]

I do a pound per plant easy (dried nug)with 30 gallons and one 600w dualarc, can do 2 pounds with two seeds 60 gallons of dirt and 600w dualarc... easy!

i'd love to watch somebody manage 60 gallons of dirt indoors.

 

[a mongo frog]

Okay, no shit more soil and vegetative time is going to produce a huge plant. As someone said above in the time it takes to veg and flower a tree you could have run 3 or 4 cycles of a sog and get the same yield if not better. You would also see a quicker turnaround and if something went wrong you would lose a lot of smaller plants that didnt have much of a time investment in. Lets say your timer goes nuts or a power outage happens or a surprise visit all that veg time is wasted and good luck hiding a tree. Im tired of people always saying the sameshit about pot sizes dont you think people can already wrap their mind around the concept that bigger plants = a bigger yield. Dont mean disrespect but i read this shit 500 times a day.

It's not more veg time to get a bigger tree. Same veg time bigger pot. Try an exercise,3 gallon squat pot and a 10 gallon squat pot. Just make sure u have the height.

 

[dr.tree]

Ya, a mongo frog is right. Also anyone who is a legal med grower is not going to grow small plants if they can help it. Being restricted on plant numbers will change how you grow. Sure small plant stuffed close together is a great way to grow just not for anyone from around here. Big lights grow plants fast. Electricity is cheap. Growing a few plants pot is legal, God bless MERICA'-- i need fireworks stat!!!!
12-12 from seed oz in 65 days (guess)
21 days of vedge 2.5-3 in 81 5gallons soil
42 days of vedge 8-9 in 101 10 gallons soil
60 days of vedge 10-12 in 119 20 gallons soil

 

[ink the world]

Bigger pots does equal better yields.

But 2 elbows from a 600 is pretty lofty expectation. You'd be pulling 1.5 GPW with that, that's tough

 

[lilroach]

I'll agree with the premise, but:

Let's say you have room for 2 ten gallon pots or 4 five gallon pots (limited space assumed) I am willing to bet that the net yield would be more with the 4 five gallon pots assuming the same veg and flower time.

Many of us are growing in limited space and every square inch is important.

 

[kinddiesel]

I could see 2 pounds under a 600 hps . three plants 3 foot tall all topped. and 10 gallon pots. from seed best of every thing its very possible. would need a light mover as well. and point the buds hang the buds up with string so its tall but still a scrog