Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people.

[burgertime2010]

Now he calls himself the names. Those are your words, sophist. Too funny. Hey, you wanted the fight. I'm feisty every morning.

The right to speak, is also the right to be shouted down by other speakers. So...boo hoo....mean. This is why I am shockingly non-PC when it suites me and why I choose, regular Aggression over Passive Aggression.

I am just more honest.

Honestly you are just more rude. Count the number of times that you chose to throw in a personal attack for no real reason compared to me. Don't play this game with me, just act decent. Honesty and respect are not mutually exclusive. You really bring out the worst in people you debate. That is true in my experience....you could call yourself non-PC or whatever but it is a terrible quality that you don't care to improve upon. This is not meant to be rude either. The communication process would be enhanced dramatically.

 

[Doer]

Honestly you are just more rude. Count the number of times that you chose to throw in a personal attack for no real reason compared to me. Don't play this game with me, just act decent. Honesty and respect are not mutually exclusive.

You insidious villain, Can't take the heat of REAL. Can dish but cannot take.....you stated what you wanted, obviously. Come on with divisive, big lies for your own entertainment?

This is what you get back in the area of ideas. And if we were face to face, you would get exactly what you ask for.

And now you want me to move on....fuck you with a pole.

 

[Doer]

Honestly you are just more rude. Count the number of times that you chose to throw in a personal attack for no real reason compared to me. Don't play this game with me, just act decent. Honesty and respect are not mutually exclusive. You really bring out the worst in people you debate. That is true in my experience....you could call yourself non-PC or whatever but it is a terrible quality that you don't care to improve upon. This is not meant to be rude either. The communication process would be enhanced dramatically.

You began and contiune with lies for your own amusement. I called you. You did not like it....predictable. It is a confrontation of your lies.

 

[Doer]

If I wrote the gun law I would take into account population density, fully automatic weapons might be kind of fun to fire so I would make them legal in designated ranges, like amusement parks for the hard core and the sky could be the limit. Carte blanche, people could rent anything they could imagine....the skys' the limit. Six Flags Saigon. For domestic protection a person living alone could have any handgun unlocked and functionally placed. The weapon could not be taken outdoors unless extraordinary circumstances could be shown perhaps. A person living with children or individuals like roommates would be required to take additional safety measures(not trigger locks) and be held responsible for accidental injuries or deaths without legal latitude. Full criminal penalties apply and are enforced. In the public domain no guns at all. The rights to protect ones home, hunt, and within confined spaces would be upheld. A training (similar to drivers ed) might be required. Penalties for criminal usage would result in a permanent revocation of that individuals right to own a gun. The basic tenor of my ideal situation would be to make realistic guidelnes that are earned. Just spitballing here. I don't have enough specific gun safety knowledge to go deeper. This is a rough draft.

Good thing we don't let just any idiot write laws. It takes over 500 idiots to do that.

 

[burgertime2010]

You insidious villain, Can't take the heat of REAL. Can dish but cannot take.....you stated what you wanted, obviously. Come on with divisive, big lies for your own entertainment?

This is what you get back in the area of ideas. And if we were face to face, you would get exactly what you ask for.

And now you want me to move on....fuck you with a pole.

Lower the bar. I would love to meet face to face.....you would act decent? The heat? You are just proving me right over and over. I don't understand you....I am an honest person and if I have lied it was the result of a bad source of information. Are you an adult yet? Were your parent abusive? Fucking monster you are.

 

[Doer]

Lower the bar. I would love to meet face to face.....you would act decent? The heat? You are just proving me right over and over. I don't understand you....I am an honest person and if I have lied it was the result of a bad source of information. Are you an adult yet? Were your parent abusive? Fucking monster you are.

Big cry baby. Face to face you will rule your fate.

 

[burgertime2010]

Good thing we don't let just any idiot write laws. It takes over 500 idiots to do that.

I got tired of the bullshit. This is where I stand, It gets tiring being told what my stance is by lazy people who haven't read a word that I have said.

 

[burgertime2010]

What does that mean?

 

[Doer]

What does that mean?

Oh, you would find out.

 

[Doer]

I got tired of the bullshit. This is where I stand, It gets tiring being told what my stance is by lazy people who haven't read a word that I have said.

Oh but I have ready all your unreferenced lies. I have taken note of your divisive stance for personal entertainment.

I commented on the lies and that is when you went SMALL and insulting....so I can discuss and I can fight...up to you...you rule your fate.

 

[burgertime2010]

Oh, you would find out.

Seems inevitable that I would I mean right? This is great.

 

[Doer]

Seems inevitable that I would I mean right? This is great.

Yes, the line is the line....

 

[burgertime2010]

Oh but I have ready all your unreferenced lies. I have taken note of your divisive stance for personal entertainment.

I commented on the lies and that is when you went SMALL and insulting....so I can discuss and I can fight...up to you...you rule your fate.

Time well spent. Can you also provide proof of deliberately lying. I have been insulting but you have as well and with far greater frequency. I said before I am not an expert here, I take it on faith that what I have looked up is accurate. I lie to girls. In terms of divisive behavior we are in a debate forum....it seems natural that it might happen here and there. What about you? Have you been behaving? I am not going to dig but I don't care enough to. The thing is you will never admit to anything wrong. You are always right...so if I am divisive it is just me saying anything but "you are right." Can you see that? I have taken mental notes and the closest thing to humility is liking a comment. So, If you wanna talk about guns or something besides me I am game but I know what I am.....I don't need notes. I am suggesting we move forward.

 

[abandonconflict]

That first is not a fact, it is the opposite of fact. It has no basis, but fear. It is the sophistry of agenda.

It is a fact Doer. It is a thorny and inconvenient fact and your unwillingness to acknowledge it makes your bias obvious and thus, makes your entire argument empty rhetoric of agenda. Your rhetoric is based on fears born out of the Turner Diaries. You are unwilling to face the fact because it does not fit into your narrative.

More guns equals more shootings.

Bans don't solve the problem.

You can't even come close to logic until you face facts. Until then, you're simply spreading pro gun agenda or anti gun agenda. Agendas and rhetoric are the problem. On both sides.

 

[Doer]

Time well spent. Can you also provide proof of deliberately lying. I have been insulting but you have as well and with far greater frequency. I said before I am not an expert here, I take it on faith that what I have looked up is accurate. I lie to girls. In terms of divisive behavior we are in a debate forum....it seems natural that it might happen here and there. What about you? Have you been behaving? I am not going to dig but I don't care enough to. The thing is you will never admit to anything wrong. You are always right...so if I am divisive it is just me saying anything but "you are right." Can you see that? I have taken mental notes and the closest thing to humility is liking a comment. So, If you wanna talk about guns or something besides me I am game but I know what I am.....I don't need notes. I am suggesting we move forward.

You are labeling this a debate forum. It is not. It is a discussion forum. You brought in lies, and when I said they were you went small.

Then instead of saying, "hmmmm....,maybe ole Doer has something here" you went to vicious defense and only just now, are understanding you were spreading lies.

So, listen closely. I do this for a living and I get a lot of practice right here. Why? I am stoner. You guys are easy compared to my real world. It is like swinging two bats.

My real world is face to face, in public, at work and no bat swinging is allowed. Only front and backstabbing.

 

[abandonconflict]

A recent study by Boston University published in the America Journal of Public Health correlates increased gun ownership with increased homicide.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409?prevSearch=gun+ownership&searchHistoryKey=

Abstract

bumped for obvious reasons

 

[Doer]

It is a fact Doer. It is a thorny and inconvenient fact and your unwillingness to acknowledge it makes your bias obvious and thus, makes your entire argument empty rhetoric of agenda. Your rhetoric is based on fears born out of the Turner Diaries. You are unwilling to face the fact because it does not fit into your narrative.

More guns equals more shootings.

Bans don't solve the problem.

You can't even come close to logic until you face facts. Until then, you're simply spreading pro gun agenda or anti gun agenda. Agendas and rhetoric are the problem. On both sides.

That is just not true. Sweden has almost as much gun ownership as the USA. But, has a sedate "shooting" rate befitting a neutral country in Europe. They train all males in gun safety. We don't, that is the problem...fear.

Czech Republic has nation wide, concealed carry, and a very low "shooting" rate.

And you know, I am not on a side. I am neither a gun or a numb nut. Lately I've been working out with the Wing Chun 6 and 1/2 Point pole. I prefer a stick of any size, but, an 8.5 foot, 5 pound teak boat pole (from the Red Boat Opera side of WC) or a stick is not home invasion defense.

So, please, let us discuss with facts and not false rhetoric.

More guns do not mean more shooting, unless you count range work....would you? Some will count all gun discharges as "shooting." Hardly the point, is it?

Another lie. Do you own it or reject it?

 

[Beefbisquit]

That first is not a fact, it is the opposite of fact. It has no basis, but fear. It is the sophistry of agenda.

What that means to the Agenda is not what it even says. What is says is: If there were no guns no one would be shot.

And all the agenda clowns are nodding their heads, right now. They are still missing the point.

Let me try this....if there were no blades there would be no cutting. Same logic, right? So, we bash.

In countries, were there aren't guns, the crazy people grab blades.

What is wrong with this Agenda is it encourages people to lie. The lie is that less guns is less murder. Less shooting?

More guns, less MURDER via all weapons. And I have linked stacks of facts so I know what I speak.

I don't just make it up and toss it in....It is sick to me to see some say, "..everyone knows the USA has the most guns and most gun deaths."
"It goes without saying, more guns is more murder."

Those two things have been tried and the link fails. It is the opposite.

What I showed yesterday was not "statistics" like the shit heads shit on. It was a simple table of math and the formula was shown.

It revealed a big Lie. But, what does the big liar say? Statistics. The same statistically fouled data that began the Numb Nuts. But, this list has the LIE rolled out.

The LIE was that the criminals bring a GUN and kill a homeowner, but that, in the LIE, counted as a self inflicted gun death. A loaded gun in the home. The BIG LIE, shows they have nothing but fear for power.

The table shows what happens went you UN-foul the data from the Numb Nuts, When you reveal that LIE you also reveal why they lied.

Nothing but lies has ever show a hint of problems with this tool usage preserved in the Constitution.

I am not condoning this, but just to prove a point I'll go on. Are you suggesting that if by literal magic, all legal guns in the USA just 'disappeared', that the amount of gun deaths would remain the same as the previous year(s)?

If there were less guns, there would, by default, be less people using guns and less accidents, less gun suicides, less rage killings, etc. etc. The amount of illegal firearms used could very well remain the same, I don't know, and neither do you. But to state that less guns doesn't equal less gun deaths is just fucking dumb.

I don't condone the removal of firearms, I advocate the proper training and storage of firearms.

 

[burgertime2010]

You are labeling this a debate forum. It is not. It is a discussion forum. You brought in lies, and when I said they were you went small.

Then instead of saying, "hmmmm....,maybe ole Doer has something here" you went to vicious defense and only just now, are understanding you were spreading lies.

So, listen closely. I do this for a living and I get a lot of practice right here. Why? I am stoner. You guys are easy compared to my real world. It is like swinging two bats.

My real world is face to face, in public, at work and no bat swinging is allowed. Only front and backstabbing.

I have agreed with you dozens of times, but I thought you were disabled? Never leave home, not a lot of human interaction. PTSD? Pretty sure you said that.

 

[burgertime2010]

You are labeling this a debate forum. It is not. It is a discussion forum. You brought in lies, and when I said they were you went small.

Then instead of saying, "hmmmm....,maybe ole Doer has something here" you went to vicious defense and only just now, are understanding you were spreading lies.

So, listen closely. I do this for a living and I get a lot of practice right here. Why? I am stoner. You guys are easy compared to my real world. It is like swinging two bats.

My real world is face to face, in public, at work and no bat swinging is allowed. Only front and backstabbing.

You actually told me that I was falsely praising you when I would say something nice or agree. You can't have it both ways. If you don't answer a question because you know it makes your case weak that is insincere, it is lying. Intention makes all the difference....