Guns don't kill people, gun owners kill people.

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Samwell Seedwell declared it in the second paragraph of post 251.

He may have thought he was correcting me, but he was in fact arguing precisely my point, in his own words.
Dubble ORLY!!??!!

post #251 was MINE!




the federal statute is clear, if your civil rights have been reinstated, and there is no express caveat regarding guns, you are free from the restrictions of the statute.
if the atf is not following the law, then you have a cause for action.

if your current lawyer isnt getting it done, i bet you can find one with sharper teeth.

so, teh fux you talkin about?

or is your position concealed in the "Semantic Triangle"

and how funny is it that you referr to somebody else's words as stating your position, and not your own?

ohh man you really are Nucking Futs!
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
and how funny is it that you referr to somebody else's words as stating your position, and not your own?
How funny is it that you fancy yourself a writer and yet think it is foolish that I have led someone to a conclusion which mirrors the perspective from which I argue, before having "declared my position"?

Take notes.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
but you see their are other reasons to feel their is not much gained by gun control as the countries that have done it only saw direct correlations as one crime stat went down the others went up....

the real solution is make life better for people, we can never stamp out crime or greed or delusion but we can give people the real tools in life to try to make theirs better and not ever have to resort to any criminal activities

a murderer wasn't born a killer he was assisted and driven to it by his choices given to him by society


i categorically disagree.

criminals make their own chices to engage in crime, and deserve whatever retribution they earn by their own choices. the useless hand wringing and endless self-flagellation of the "Socio-Economic Status" defense serves only to make lefties feel more self-indulgent hyper-emotion, and provides an ethical escape hatch for the criminal element.

I'm poor, i grew up poor, i wen to shitty schools, i lived in a single parent household, i had no "Midnight Basketball" type outreach programs, i was a minority in my town (~60% black and hispanic) and never got nothin but shit from the cops.

so now i get to become a serial rapist and murderer based on my shitty underprivileged life and general distaste for authority?

cool.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
How funny is it that you fancy yourself a writer and yet think it is foolish that I have led someone to a conclusion which mirrors the perspective from which I argue, before having "declared my position"?

Take notes.
how retarded is it to assert that your position was already explained in another post, particularly since the post at question was my own, and had nothing to do with your alleged position which grows more hypothetical with every post?

further when did i ever describe myself as a "writer"? and more importantly since when did i begin to "Fancy" things?
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Actually, most serial rapists and murderers are and have historically been privileged white men who love authority.
FALSE. only in fantasyland, but this is just one more attempt to sidetrack the issue.

declare your position, dont point to something i wrote about the BATF breaking the law, and smirk, declare your position and defend it, or go back to mopping the floors after the donkey shows.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
post 651 was Samwell Seedwell as far as I can see
you said #251, and thus are as usual, WRONG. but i digress...

as i understand sammy's post, and particularly the second paragraph, his solution (and by extension yours) is to institute total fairness, utopian global smurf village of peace love and understanding, maybe a little Freindship Is Magic, just to make it perfect, and then crime will disappear, violence will vanish, and everybody will embrace the new stateless property-less, free non-economy of global sharing.

and you say youre not a communist...



How Precious!

duzzums need a nap now?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
as i understand sammy's post, and particularly the second paragraph, his solution (and by extension yours) is to institute total fairness, utopian global smurf village of peace love and understanding, maybe a little Freindship Is Magic, just to make it perfect, and then crime will disappear, violence will vanish, and everybody will embrace the new stateless property-less, free non-economy of global sharing
I'm not surprised that you read all that from what he wrote.
 

Samwell Seed Well

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i categorically disagree.

criminals make their own chices to engage in crime, and deserve whatever retribution they earn by their own choices. the useless hand wringing and endless self-flagellation of the "Socio-Economic Status" defense serves only to make lefties feel more self-indulgent hyper-emotion, and provides an ethical escape hatch for the criminal element.

I'm poor, i grew up poor, i wen to shitty schools, i lived in a single parent household, i had no "Midnight Basketball" type outreach programs, i was a minority in my town (~60% black and hispanic) and never got nothin but shit from the cops.

so now i get to become a serial rapist and murderer based on my shitty underprivileged life and general distaste for authority?

cool.
i did say assit in choices, not force or influence

people are who they choose to be , some want to break into your house and shoot you and tape you up alive and torture you with dull knives and razors

some feel they have made a life of rationalizing the wrong decisions and change . . . . imho a person is not the some of his actions or the mean or the residual ..they are who they think they can be, no matter how hard you want to think you will never be what you think , the perception of self is an illusion provided by society.......

being poor means nothing, having the options to make any choice you want because society is fair and understanding vs judging and totalitarian

we may have different views on the world KK but we all want the same thing, amicable relationships with those around us based solely on our merits

it just happens to be that i think you can get their with a different approach then you, and well a completely different environment as i believe in multiculturalism as utpoian as it sounds i do believe that it can be an environment where individuals can be as such without persecution for it

your system requires classification and assimilation mine requires ears and a heart beat ......call me a dreamer
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Actually, most serial rapists and murderers are and have historically been privileged white men who love authority.
True. False.

This list shows very clearly either under reporting in Africa or it is not a Black Man problem. They swing it, they take it, no need for rape. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

Australia
UK
India
Germany
Canada
France
Japan

are the serial killer countries. Of course, there is an entire other page on USA SK. Not many black guys. And certainly much, much killing without guns.

This is a man of color.

Derrick Todd Lee: also known as "The Baton Rouge Serial Killer"; convicted of two murders; linked by DNA evidence to five others.

and there is this guy who was just trying to do us all a favor. :)

Herbert Mullin: schizophrenic in Santa Cruz, California who killed people to prevent earthquakes; convicted of 10 murders and confessed to three others
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
True. False.

This list shows very clearly either under reporting in Africa or it is not a Black Man problem. They swing it, they take it, no need for rape. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

Australia
UK
India
Germany
Canada
France
Japan

are the serial killer countries. Of course, there is an entire other page on USA SK. Not many black guys. And certainly much, much killing without guns.

This is a man of color.

Derrick Todd Lee: also known as "The Baton Rouge Serial Killer"; convicted of two murders; linked by DNA evidence to five others.

and there is this guy who was just trying to do us all a favor. :)

Herbert Mullin: schizophrenic in Santa Cruz, California who killed people to prevent earthquakes; convicted of 10 murders and confessed to three others
And lets not forget India for rapes...

They're the clear leaders in that field.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
And lets not forget India for rapes...

They're the clear leaders in that field.
Well, no. India is not even on the top list.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/rape-statistics/

Countries With Highest Rape RatesRate / 100,000
Lesotho91.6
Trinidad and Tobago58.4
Sweden53.2
Korea33.7
New Zealand
30.9
United States
28.6
Belgium
26.3
Zimbabwe
25.6
United Kingdom
23.2


This means that not only does homosexuality NOT exist in the Muslim world, they don't report rape, either. It is quite legal, in some cases.

Countries With Lowest Rape RatesRate / 100,000
Egypt0.1
Azerbaijan0.3
Armenia0.6
Syrian Arab Republic0.7
Turkey
1.4
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
i did say assit in choices, not force or influence

people are who they choose to be , some want to break into your house and shoot you and tape you up alive and torture you with dull knives and razors

some feel they have made a life of rationalizing the wrong decisions and change . . . . imho a person is not the some of his actions or the mean or the residual ..they are who they think they can be, no matter how hard you want to think you will never be what you think , the perception of self is an illusion provided by society.......

being poor means nothing, having the options to make any choice you want because society is fair and understanding vs judging and totalitarian

we may have different views on the world KK but we all want the same thing, amicable relationships with those around us based solely on our merits

it just happens to be that i think you can get their with a different approach then you, and well a completely different environment as i believe in multiculturalism as utpoian as it sounds i do believe that it can be an environment where individuals can be as such without persecution for it

your system requires classification and assimilation mine requires ears and a heart beat ......call me a dreamer
"My System" does not "require assimilation".

if persons who wish to form an enclave want to do so, they are free to. America has a long history of tolerance for ethnic and religious enclaves, noteably Chiantown, koreatown, japantown, little italy, little odessa, the amish, the menanites, the quakers, etc etc etc.

it is the "multi-culturalists" like ohh i dunno... Bill Clinton and Janet Reno who reveal what their view of "Multiculturalism" really is:
Submission To The State.

trying to form a "white Enclave" is racist and evil, but setting up a "Barrio" is so awesome that it's a foregone conclusion.
saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" is hateful and exclusionary, but "Feliz Navidad" and "Joyful Kwanza" is just fine.
some cops kick the shit out of a serial felon, after a high speed chase, a heated exchange with the cops, and an assault on a female officer = Hate Crime
gangbangers beating the shit out of Reginald Denny on live TV while they jubilate and dance = "Black Empowerment"

look to the double standards employed to enforce the dilution of "white culture" (not racist, cuz it's evil) and the celebration of the ghettoification of "black culture" (racist because of their imaginary "SES"...) and you cannot deny that "multiculturalism" is no longer the pluralism, or the melting pot of days past, but rather the forced conversion of those ACTUAL AMERICANS who have a distinct society culture and national identity.

rural life and rural society are denigrated, declared "Racist" and attacked based on the leftist's narow minded belief that all rural people are A) white, and B) RACIST, while city dwellers are Urbane, Sophisitcated, and Properly Liberal.

your dreamy eyed optimism that leftist "multiculturalism" is the solution to all the world's ills misses an important fact, white people have a culture too.

i dont go to chinatown and demand that they tear down the lunar new year decorations, and replace them with proper president's day decor, nor do i invade anyone's cinco de mayo party, or their bastille day celebrations, or their rammadan feasts, but MY people's culture is constantly under attack.

and if that last line sounded racist to you, then think about that for a minute.

this is AMERICA, not mexico, not china, not russia, not kenya, and not arabia, yet the idea that America might have a culture worth preserving is RACIST.

people arent flocking to suadi arabia to enjoy the culture that brought you "Morality Police" beating women in the streets for not covering their hair sufficiently, nobody is running off to emigrate to Uganda so they can be murdered and eaten by Idi Amin, and nobody is clamouring to get into North Korea to enjoy the "Good Life" of starvation and privation under "The Dear Successor"

thye come to america to get away from that shit, and yes, they CAN and DO bring their own culture with them. they set up enclaves, and make themselves at home, but attempting to establish English as the official language results in a SHITSTORM, even the simple proposal that we secure our borders against illegal crossings is declared RACIST, and a private display on private land of a privately erected (non flaming) cross is a MOTHER FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!! in the US, yet down in Rio De Janiero, whats the most iconic landmark?
a giant statue of jesus for fuck's sake.

nobody with a functioning brain can look at the new "multiculturalism" and see anything but racism and bigotry against "Evil Whitey" yet the bullshit continues.

what ever happened to Pluralism?
when did america get too small for differing cultures? and why is america just big enough for every socio-ethnic group on the planet except Americans?
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
"My System" does not "require assimilation".

if persons who wish to form an enclave want to do so, they are free to. America has a long history of tolerance for ethnic and religious enclaves, noteably Chiantown, koreatown, japantown, little italy, little odessa, the amish, the menanites, the quakers, etc etc etc.

it is the "multi-culturalists" like ohh i dunno... Bill Clinton and Janet Reno who reveal what their view of "Multiculturalism" really is:
Submission To The State.

trying to form a "white Enclave" is racist and evil, but setting up a "Barrio" is so awesome that it's a foregone conclusion.
saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" is hateful and exclusionary, but "Feliz Navidad" and "Joyful Kwanza" is just fine.
some cops kick the shit out of a serial felon, after a high speed chase, a heated exchange with the cops, and an assault on a female officer = Hate Crime
gangbangers beating the shit out of Reginald Denny on live TV while they jubilate and dance = "Black Empowerment"

look to the double standards employed to enforce the dilution of "white culture" (not racist, cuz it's evil) and the celebration of the ghettoification of "black culture" (racist because of their imaginary "SES"...) and you cannot deny that "multiculturalism" is no longer the pluralism, or the melting pot of days past, but rather the forced conversion of those ACTUAL AMERICANS who have a distinct society culture and national identity.

rural life and rural society are denigrated, declared "Racist" and attacked based on the leftist's narow minded belief that all rural people are A) white, and B) RACIST, while city dwellers are Urbane, Sophisitcated, and Properly Liberal.

your dreamy eyed optimism that leftist "multiculturalism" is the solution to all the world's ills misses an important fact, white people have a culture too.

i dont go to chinatown and demand that they tear down the lunar new year decorations, and replace them with proper president's day decor, nor do i invade anyone's cinco de mayo party, or their bastille day celebrations, or their rammadan feasts, but MY people's culture is constantly under attack.

and if that last line sounded racist to you, then think about that for a minute.

this is AMERICA, not mexico, not china, not russia, not kenya, and not arabia, yet the idea that America might have a culture worth preserving is RACIST.

people arent flocking to suadi arabia to enjoy the culture that brought you "Morality Police" beating women in the streets for not covering their hair sufficiently, nobody is running off to emigrate to Uganda so they can be murdered and eaten by Idi Amin, and nobody is clamouring to get into North Korea to enjoy the "Good Life" of starvation and privation under "The Dear Successor"

thye come to america to get away from that shit, and yes, they CAN and DO bring their own culture with them. they set up enclaves, and make themselves at home, but attempting to establish English as the official language results in a SHITSTORM, even the simple proposal that we secure our borders against illegal crossings is declared RACIST, and a private display on private land of a privately erected (non flaming) cross is a MOTHER FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!! in the US, yet down in Rio De Janiero, whats the most iconic landmark?
a giant statue of jesus for fuck's sake.

nobody with a functioning brain can look at the new "multiculturalism" and see anything but racism and bigotry against "Evil Whitey" yet the bullshit continues.

what ever happened to Pluralism?
when did america get too small for differing cultures? and why is america just big enough for every socio-ethnic group on the planet except Americans?
Big point, here. Why are we the ones that aren't allowed a culture? Is that we were winning for so long now it's payback?

Or did we just rest on our laurels making enemies, until it was to late?
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
"My System" does not "require assimilation".

if persons who wish to form an enclave want to do so, they are free to. America has a long history of tolerance for ethnic and religious enclaves, noteably Chiantown, koreatown, japantown, little italy, little odessa, the amish, the menanites, the quakers, etc etc etc.

it is the "multi-culturalists" like ohh i dunno... Bill Clinton and Janet Reno who reveal what their view of "Multiculturalism" really is:
Submission To The State.

trying to form a "white Enclave" is racist and evil, but setting up a "Barrio" is so awesome that it's a foregone conclusion.
saying "Merry Christmas" or "Happy Hanukkah" is hateful and exclusionary, but "Feliz Navidad" and "Joyful Kwanza" is just fine.
some cops kick the shit out of a serial felon, after a high speed chase, a heated exchange with the cops, and an assault on a female officer = Hate Crime
gangbangers beating the shit out of Reginald Denny on live TV while they jubilate and dance = "Black Empowerment"

look to the double standards employed to enforce the dilution of "white culture" (not racist, cuz it's evil) and the celebration of the ghettoification of "black culture" (racist because of their imaginary "SES"...) and you cannot deny that "multiculturalism" is no longer the pluralism, or the melting pot of days past, but rather the forced conversion of those ACTUAL AMERICANS who have a distinct society culture and national identity.

rural life and rural society are denigrated, declared "Racist" and attacked based on the leftist's narow minded belief that all rural people are A) white, and B) RACIST, while city dwellers are Urbane, Sophisitcated, and Properly Liberal.

your dreamy eyed optimism that leftist "multiculturalism" is the solution to all the world's ills misses an important fact, white people have a culture too.

i dont go to chinatown and demand that they tear down the lunar new year decorations, and replace them with proper president's day decor, nor do i invade anyone's cinco de mayo party, or their bastille day celebrations, or their rammadan feasts, but MY people's culture is constantly under attack.

and if that last line sounded racist to you, then think about that for a minute.

this is AMERICA, not mexico, not china, not russia, not kenya, and not arabia, yet the idea that America might have a culture worth preserving is RACIST.

people arent flocking to suadi arabia to enjoy the culture that brought you "Morality Police" beating women in the streets for not covering their hair sufficiently, nobody is running off to emigrate to Uganda so they can be murdered and eaten by Idi Amin, and nobody is clamouring to get into North Korea to enjoy the "Good Life" of starvation and privation under "The Dear Successor"

thye come to america to get away from that shit, and yes, they CAN and DO bring their own culture with them. they set up enclaves, and make themselves at home, but attempting to establish English as the official language results in a SHITSTORM, even the simple proposal that we secure our borders against illegal crossings is declared RACIST, and a private display on private land of a privately erected (non flaming) cross is a MOTHER FUCKING NIGHTMARE!!!! in the US, yet down in Rio De Janiero, whats the most iconic landmark?
a giant statue of jesus for fuck's sake.

nobody with a functioning brain can look at the new "multiculturalism" and see anything but racism and bigotry against "Evil Whitey" yet the bullshit continues.

what ever happened to Pluralism?
when did america get too small for differing cultures? and why is america just big enough for every socio-ethnic group on the planet except Americans?
Deciphering...

"If it ain't capitalism, it ain't natural."
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
White culture is genocide and conquest. White culture is capitalism and racism and privilege. White culture is all about keeping everyone else down.
 
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