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whodatnation
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I would too, if I used them. I have way too much grow equipment to really justify buying more,,,, but this is what I do lol and it would work perfectly for me vert grow.
hyroot
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the 330 allstart is better.. they both run as cool as a 250w hps..Heres some bud growth with the light.
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/860w-phillips-cdm.55682/
Im not sure about it running cooler than a 600 hps though? I mean it basically a MH right? I find my MH lamps run hotter than my HPS lamps. Its also and extra 260w, not a whole lot but still more.
How does it run cooler?
Either way, this is something to behold=
This actually says HPS retro white, but just basically CMH? Now Im confused.
the 860 watt runs as cool as a 600w hps...
Cmh have a ceramic arc, hps have an aluminum arc, and mh have a quartz or aluminum arc. That's the difference in spectral distribution, longevity, and heat dispertion.. The allstart line also has a quartz crystal coating over the glass so they are open reflector / bare bulb rated... cmh last 2-3 times longer than hps and mh withe less lumen depreciation...
I had 2 330's until they were stolen. I plan on buying an 860 in a couple weeks.
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmallstart.htm
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmea860.htm
whodatnation
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I guess a viable option would be to sell some of my unused equipment to cover the costs. I would still have to run some 220v line and sockets, and I just though of a way I could still use my alternating timer (jig knows what Im talking about.)
Hmm, it would be an upgrade to the grow system me thinks
I must do it.
Hmm, it would be an upgrade to the grow system me thinks
I must do it.
hyroot
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They will run on 110/120 and 220/240 or what ever. Get switchable mag ballasts
they also make an elite agro line on specific digi ballasts that are 315 watts. with a better spectrum and higher par than the 330 's but they only run on 220/240
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
http://www.cycloptics.com/greenbeams
they also make an elite agro line on specific digi ballasts that are 315 watts. with a better spectrum and higher par than the 330 's but they only run on 220/240
http://advancedtechlighting.com/cdmmw.htm
http://www.cycloptics.com/greenbeams
whodatnation
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How do they compare to the 860w?
whodatnation
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Hey there, I read this in the link I posted earlier.
"they run on a 1000w MH ballast from memory. wish i could get into that link to be sure........correction, pulse or probe start 1000w ballast"
hyroot
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the elite agro has 100 more µmole/s than the 330. the 315 elite agro has the most 660 deep red.. The 860 has the highest par of any lighting. more than led... Even to the sun or more..
860 - 2200 µmole/s at 12 inches.
.........1838 µmole/s at 32 inches
330 - 1400 µmole/s at 12 inches
1000w ushio - 1804 µmole/s at 12 inches
600w ushio 1100 µmole/s at 12 inches
Sun at midday 2000 µmole/s
The 860 has a higher par rating at 3 feet away than a 1000w hps has at a foot away. larger circle more plants..
the 330 and 315 will match yield of a 600 but the cmh will produce far better quality buds
whodatnation
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Well the 860w may be too big for my set up with the screens only 1.5ft from the bulb even considering its on a mover... Can you link me to some grows with the 330 and 315?
whodatnation
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Its the ceramics used in these bulbs that can apparently operate at higher temps allowing a wider variety of "halides" used to get the spectrum. Im still not 100% sure about all of it... Needs to learn more.
edit: wouldnt that mean it runs hotter as well? Iv already read several people state it runs hotter than their hps lights.
edit: wouldnt that mean it runs hotter as well? Iv already read several people state it runs hotter than their hps lights.
jigfresh
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I might be on crack. One never knows lol.
But for real... that's what I remember. My memory however kinda sucks. Or rather sucks hard. So it could entirely be the case that the cmh's I ran were the hottest bulbs I had.
I suppose the lesson to be learned here, is I shouldn't say stuff I don't at least have a feeling for it to be true.
But for real... that's what I remember. My memory however kinda sucks. Or rather sucks hard. So it could entirely be the case that the cmh's I ran were the hottest bulbs I had.
I suppose the lesson to be learned here, is I shouldn't say stuff I don't at least have a feeling for it to be true.
hyroot
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I'm still digging for the elite agro grows. I remember one last year where someone had 2 of them testing them from cycloptics.. and DIY led rails...
Still looking.
I've only ran the philips allstart line. They definitely run cooler.. There are other companies that make CMH like ge that may run hotter. But the allstarts are fairly new. Maybe a little over a year or 2. The 860 is the newest.
check cocolas thread in led section. He is running DNA 900's which are Philips allstart 860's rebranded.
Still looking.
I've only ran the philips allstart line. They definitely run cooler.. There are other companies that make CMH like ge that may run hotter. But the allstarts are fairly new. Maybe a little over a year or 2. The 860 is the newest.
check cocolas thread in led section. He is running DNA 900's which are Philips allstart 860's rebranded.
RedCarpetMatches
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My philips retro white 400w CMH yielded a hair over my 600 Whoretilux HPS! Same stains and conditions. I had my 400w a foot away from tops in an open fixture with no stress. Sticky rock hardness guaranteed! Only one way to find out lol. Think they still sell vert (there's a horizontal version too) 400w retro whites for real cheap. They run on HPS mags. http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/cdmed18.htm
whodatnation
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Haha hey this whole thing may do a triple backflip and you may be right.I might be on crack. One never knows lol.
But for real... that's what I remember. My memory however kinda sucks. Or rather sucks hard. So it could entirely be the case that the cmh's I ran were the hottest bulbs I had.
I suppose the lesson to be learned here, is I shouldn't say stuff I don't at least have a feeling for it to be true.
I cringe sometimes when I see posts Iv made in the past,,, I try not to let these things happen though... But if your not finding out that some of what youv believed in the past may not be true because new info youv discoverd,,, then I guess youd not be evolving in a way.
Or something like that.
Id much rather know Im wrong about something than blindly just believe Im right. Questioning myself leads me to learn more.
PB x GS ,,,
bassman999
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I need a new bulb or 2 but all I have is a 600 watt hps mag ballast and a dial-a-watt 600 watt Lumatek.
No way either of these will work is there?
I could get a hold of an old 400 watt bay light style 400 watt mh though if that would work??
bassman999
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My 600 watt hps looks dimmer than my 400 watt mh...I know mh seem brighter based on light spectrum and our vision capabilities, but this is a 50% higher wattage, and plus the bulb is buzzing.
RedCarpetMatches
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It has to be a 400w HPS magnetic. I bought a cheapo and wired it myself. Pretty easy. This is what I bought http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/71A8453.htm. I'm sure you can call Tom and get a bundle deal after he talks your ear off.