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yeah but power rates arent power rates, i dunno bout you guys but here we get chsrged different rates for different area codes. we had a story on the news las week, two families, six houses apart, same street, same power usage different area codes, one house? $150, next house? $1400, go figure

ok, ill explain a little bit to all you doubters, i told you i am NO expert, i most certainly dont have a background in science, i made my living off mma until i got injured, but i HAVE got people who are that looked into it for me, did their own scientific research and i trust them completely...

dude you in adl 2?

viagro- yeah after looking around his kit does sound like a good idea, i think i could even modify it a bit :P oh and yeah im in adl, you r 2?

karr-havent really looked into these, i got the impression the tech was just too far away but is it worth looking into? csn you explain a bit about them 4 me?

yeah thats why i cant help but keep coming back to led, im only doing a small perpetual medical grow, little bits of lots of strains til i find the ones that work right for the medical conditions im trying to help lol might just get one and see how it does :)

lol this isnt my first rodeo, i have about 10 years of hardcore bonsai growing behind me and have been around mj grows enough, we pretty much copied hobbes set up on a smaller scale with cfls and trained the plant (only one in a MUCH larger pot) to begin with and we did pretty well i think, ill...

plants like these, credit HOBBES for the awesome thread and inspiration!

well i was going to start with one plant of course for my first grow, good genetic stock from seed either destroyer or blz bud. would be a larger plant than the lst'd ones is end up with later, want to mess with it as little as possible the first time round, will be my baby lol. i have assisted...

yeah dude, double the size of your inlet is where you should start your outlet at, test it dry of course before you finalise assembly and if needed increase size/double outlets? ive found a lot of things can affect this so dont take someone elses exact setup, throw it together and expect it to...

newworldorder, those progrow 180's, could they be used for 4-6 mini lst'd plants? (max 10 inches) throughtout the whole grow with good results?

newworldorder- maybe you could help a bit? the pro grow 180, they claim 3 plants through the full cycle, 3 full size plants? what abou 4-6 plants lst'd to 4-8 inches high?

yeah but control over red and blue isnt all you need really... i mean you can get away with it but its not optimal newworldiceon- i am oh so very aware of how it ISNT that simple, i just thought it was a nice little visiual to help explain whay my words weren;t quite getting across, i have spent...

'make do' lol id love to get a hold of just one of those quarters!!

oh and here's the link to that site, best light they claim spectrum but only provide 3 shades but notice they have the third most crucial- ORANGE and that makes a HUGE difference hence the rave reviews... but i think $1200 is WAY steep for a 3 spectrum light, no adjustability whatsoever etc etc...

a small example of what im talking about-: notice how many different shades there are rather than JUST red and blue? light red, dark red, far red, green, light green, blue, light blue, navy blue, yellow, orange, lilac, puurple... get my reasoning here? and notice how each spectral range is at a...

australias- yeah thats what ive been trying to say, you can say that a plant 'only' needs red and blue spectrums for development and growth but thats simplifying things a little too much, both red and blue spectrums can be broken down into at least thee seperate spectrums each that can be...

cheers Spoc, ill look him up, like ive said before i dont claim to be an expert, just putting together all the best ideas that caompanies seem to have, throw in a couple of my own, see what happens? ive asked people who have the quals. to back up their knowledge and they say the theory checks...

viagro- thats exactly the idea i had in mind, that wahy you COULD grow one medium bushy and heavy yielding plant using just leds, bitchin idea!

checkin it out now- check my thread for a killer update! we have ignition, now time 4 blastoff!