11 Plant Ebb & Flow

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Looking good, what ppm do you have them at now? And if you are going to top, which I would HIGHLY reccommend, now is the time to do it. Just take the inner main growth tip off, and bam you have 2 main stalks in about a week!

Date: 2/5/09
Light: 400w MH @ 16" Above top of plants
Light Time: 18/6
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 30 off
Nutes: FloraGro 5ml/gal, FloraMicro 5ml/gal, FloraBloom 5ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 85
Temp Night: 68
Humidity: 35%
Ventilation: Inline 6", 12" for light, and an oscillating 31".

Ok so I reconfigured my closet to try and get some heat outta there and now it seems like I'm getting more heat now lol. Have to keep the door open a little bit. A couple days ago I realize that all the rockwool was dry so I looked further into it to find that all the hydroton was dry also. The pump was not working not sure how long. Fixed it and it shouldn't happen again negligence on my part.

Giga man I don't have a ppm meter going to have to buy one for sure. Although a continuous drip would be awesome don't have the money for that so I’ll have to get the cheap one. What’s the recommended ppm for each stage?

My only ph tester is a bottle test to get a round about is it that crucial to get it exactly 5.8 if so I should just spring for the hundred bucks for the expensive ppm meter.
Got a shit house of pictures the last one is the new setup in the closet but still hitting temps near 90 if the door is shut any recommendations anyone? I give up ill just leave the door open the room windows are covered anyway and that room is locked.

So I am going to fim three and top three. I will post after I do it Hopefully it all goes well. Should have it posted within the hour.

They seem to be doing good

LOL I just picked up an air scrubber.... had the 'rents down this last weekend

first thing my mom did was say "it smells in here" lol

THIS THING IS HUGE!!!!

Tanis83 said:

They seem to be doing good

LOL I just picked up an air scrubber.... had the 'rents down this last weekend

first thing my mom did was say "it smells in here" lol

THIS THING IS HUGE!!!!

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Jeez, I bet that set you back a pretty penny! I didn't need to control odor so much in my last grow, because frankly, I didn't care. It wasn't getting outside and I didn't care that that room smelled (not to mention the rest of my place).

As for your ppm's, I always go by plant response. It is the best way to ensure they are getting all the nutes they need, though nute vary greatly from manufacturer and so do plant strains. As a general rule of thumb, seedlings should have VERY LITTLE if no nutes. As they get older, you can start to gradually increase the nutes, checking their responses daily. Small plants or seedlings like nutes at about 400 ppm, where as big plants in veg like up to 1100 ppm depending on strain, though as a safety I wouldn't go above 1000. When you start flower, keep it at the last ppm you had in veg, and gradually increase it to a max of about 1600 ppm, though that is a BIG plant. Stay at 1400 or below to be safe.

On a side note, I think that organic nutes can be ran high since the actual nute concentrations are much lower than in inorganic lines. I haven't used many organics in hydro set-ups, though I could see this right away when I used Fox Farms for a batch of clones.

Ok so I only Topped one and Fimmed one to make sure I did it right. Also I'm not sure I want to do that to all of them since I don't have much area but plenty of height. Although if they get to high the light won't get to the bottom. If it isn't one thing its another.

This is the one that I topped the top row is before and the bottom row is after. Let me know what you guys think should I do it to all of them or fim them or what? I'm up for suggestions.

Also that scrubber is nice I agree with giga had to cost you a good amount. I also do not care about the smell which I am just now getting a good amount of. Smells great to me and my girlfriend should probably get one incase of any unexpected visits haha.

I'm done giving nutes to seeds haha I went off the chart they gave me at the store that said seedlings 2.5ml/gal of each not thinking that’s probably not correct for everything. I really want to get one of those continuous drip ppm/ph/temp meters they are badass. Not sure how to buy one without it getting shipped with my name and address.

I can't wait to grow again already just because I know a lot more and won't make near as many mistakes.
And this is the one that I fimmed and I'm not sure that i did it right or that I was able to even get any good pictures. Let me know what you think of these and if its even right. It kind of looks like the one on the topping and fimming 101 guide.

The first three pictures are before.

I can hardly tell from the pics (not your fault), but it looks to me as if you might have been taking a bit too much with that top. All you want to take is the very inner growth shoot, leaving at least one other growth shoot on each side so that the may become main stalks later. I used nail clippers to get in there, and from the picutres of my last grow you can tell topping works! I have never tried the FIM technique before, so I am interested to see how it really works. Those plants are looking nice now too, a lot of compact nodes with rapid growth!

Oh an as far as space req. go, I think that topping will double your yield in any given area. The top allows for more than one main khola, and though they will seem bushier, you can tie like I did to put light where you think it is important. I just used yarn with loops and tape, and you would be amazed how bonsai like you can make marijauna plants!

Date: 2/8/09
Light: 400w MH @ 12" Above top of plants
Light Time: 18/6
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 30 off
Nutes: FloraGro 5ml/gal, FloraMicro 5ml/gal, FloraBloom 5ml/gal
PH: 6.2
Temp Day: 82
Temp Night: 68
Humidity: 40%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust, 31" for light, and an oscillating 12".

After one more time of arranging that damn closet I finally got it to stay at a temp of about 82 give or take but I'm done I don't even care because they are officially taking over this closet either way.

The one that I topped I can see a major growth of the two new tops starting out. I think I am going to top about 3 more and fim about 3 more. Aparently fimming them is supposed to give 4 tops as opposed to 2. Will let you know as soon as I find out. I think I will wait on presexing untill the next grow to busy at this time to try and do that every day for a week or 2.

great looking grow man! i have not seen this type of setup very unique. how is that air scrubber working out for u? im about to get one but dont know if its worth the money.

It's actually not my scrubber that was posted by tanis but I would love to have one like that haha. So let me know how it works out for you if you get one

lol take a look at my grow jounal.... I also posted the evolution of my little grow cabinet in the grow design area you'll probably like what I did with it

Ok so over the past week or so I haven’t really paid attention to the plants just basically made sure they had water. They have all turned light green over the past 4 days. Don't have that camera to take any pictures yet hopefully real soon. But I now notice that the bottom leaves are like yellow and browning. On the middle plant the bottom leaves have completely turned yellow brown and curled up is that normal. Because there is no light even getting down there so it seams like it could be a light issue.

I have switched to the floragrow 12ml/gal, floramicro 6ml/gal, florabloom 3ml/gal just last night and everything looks like its perking up. Am I supposed to be putting other stuff in the solution as like supplements then also? I would like to flower in 1 week max if not sooner. I will post pics asap because my tallest plant is like 13" wahoo

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

When the pump is running it fills to submerge about 50-70% of the rockwool.

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You are asking for trouble of you really are soaking your RW...

Rot. mold, algae.. all bad things

here.. take a peek at this...

Well that sucks since they wernt even touching the water but I was doing some reserch and it was sayin that you want 70% of the rockwool under water when the pump is running so I moved them all down about 3" or so in the pot. Not sure how to solve the problem other than just lifting them up and tryin to shake that hydroton under the roots to hold it up. Thanks for the input dude Hopefully I can atleast get through this grow and on to the next one now that I have figured this all out. Probably shoulda done it before but o well. If anyone else has some ideas let me know Thanks.

Just raise them... if you can...

RW should never ever be wet or soaked... and never squeezed or crushed either...

Damp... that means if you shook it, no water would come out...

Damp.. never wet...

good luck...

Ok so where the hell were you 30 days ago hahaha. I'm going to go and lift them up so that the bottom of the rockwool doesnt touch the water which blows my mind but I guess the hydroton would carry the water up and into the rockwool. Will let you guys know when its done hope it goes well.

Date: 2/22/09
Light: 400w MH @ 8" Above top of plants
Light Time: 18/6
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 12ml/gal, FloraMicro 6ml/gal, FloraBloom 3ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 75
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust, 31" for light, and an oscillating 12 that is currently not on".


Ok they have taking everything over and there is no more fucking around. T minus 2 days till the flower nutes and cycle changes. The hps light is ready to go in I cannot wait till it happens.

I have once again reconfigured that damn closet hopefully for the last time. now I can raise the light and all the fans at the same time. They have really shot up in the past few days. They range from 10" to 20". I'm worried that they will get pollinated since I have no idea how many will be males and they are all mixed together now so if it happens there will be seeds.

Hopefully I will get a better camera here shortly especially for flowering because this phone I have been using sucks for this hid light.

I also found out that my 30 minute pump cycles were way too much water for them so now its down to 4hr between watering and they have shown lots of improvements.

Anyone know how much more these will grow in the flower stage because they are getting huge!

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

Date: 2/22/09
Light: 400w MH @ 8" Above top of plants
Light Time: 18/6
Pump: 700 Liters Per Hour
Pump Timer: 15min on 4hr off
Nutes: FloraGro 12ml/gal, FloraMicro 6ml/gal, FloraBloom 3ml/gal
PH: 6
Temp Day: 75
Temp Night: 62
Humidity: 50%
Ventilation: Inline 6" exhaust, 31" for light, and an oscillating 12 that is currently not on".

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Other than your nutes (which I am just not familiar with) everything sounds peachy....

Can you elaborate on your ventilation? Not sure I understand how you have it all set up...

31" for the light???? what does that mean? and why is the osilating fan not on? do you have any air movement within the space?

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

Ok they have taking everything over and there is no more fucking around.

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Healthy plants will do that... sometimes to the point of squishing and shading themselves right out of a decent yield...

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

T minus 2 days till the flower nutes and cycle changes. The hps light is ready to go in I cannot wait till it happens.

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WOHOOOO... here we go.. this is where the fun starts...

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

I have once again reconfigured that damn closet hopefully for the last time.

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Nope.. maybe the last time this week... or possibly this grow... but it is not the last time unless you just quit...lol....

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

now I can raise the light and all the fans at the same time.

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Seems like a good thing to be able to adjust things without much hassle...

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

They have really shot up in the past few days. They range from 10" to 20".

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and they will only get bigger....

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

I'm worried that they will get pollinated since I have no idea how many will be males and they are all mixed together now so if it happens there will be seeds.

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Well... you can keep an eye out.. and pull the pots with males before they release any pollen... but you gotta be watching like a hawk...

Do the roots get in to the pipes at all? can you just unscrew one of the bottles as I suggested above? if not I guess you can always just pull the plant... you don't want seeds man... unless you are breeding.. but you need more space for that and it is pretty involved...

Just be careful.. no need for seeds.. unless you want them...

Oh... and make sure you clone now, before you go to flower... things just go a little smoother that way...

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

Hopefully I will get a better camera here shortly especially for flowering because this phone I have been using sucks for this hid light.

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I have to play with the settings on my camera... the light is just too yellow for normal pictures.... I ususally just pull a pot or two and take them to natural light for photos...

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

I also found out that my 30 minute pump cycles were way too much water for them so now its down to 4hr between watering and they have shown lots of improvements.

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What media are you using? Straigth hydroton?

I am using straight hydroton and flood for 15 min every hour with great results....

SirSmokeAlot419 said:

Anyone know how much more these will grow in the flower stage because they are getting huge!

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They will double or triple depending on strain...