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Jozikins

Jozikins

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GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!!!!!

Why the fuck does backspace take me back a page? How do I disable this shit? Fucking Google Chrome always waits until I have typed out 8 or 10 paragraphs and then deletes it all by doing that shit!!!!!!!!!!!

God dammit! I wish I had the patience to retype all that information to help you out but I do not.

A Summary of what I typed:

If you care about your garden and it's success at all, as well ass your own mental health, return that Milwaukee meter ASAP! Before it is too late! I have Milwaukee and it is the worst addition there ever was to my garden. Returned it almost immediately it was such garbage! It is very cheaply assembled, and closely resembles that of a Happy Meal toy. Hanna is also terrible, and extremely inaccurate.

RETURN THE MILWAUKEE METER! Learn from my mistakes.

HM Digital, Oakton, and Bluelab are what you want, don't look anywhere else. I've bought and used ALL OF THEM, and I know what is best. The Truncheon from Bluelab is AWESOME!! My boss uses it. Fucking amazing. I own a Hanna trimeter I don't even use anymore, I use my Oakton pH pen and my HM digital TDS pen. The only thing I use the Hanna for is to measure the temps, but I think that is even inaccurate now. Piece of shit. The Milwaukee I returned so fast! Soooo fast! What a piece of shit! Always off by .2, even if we JUST calibrated it. Piece of shit meter! I can't stress it enough!

Your temps are okay, but can and probably will eventually cause problems. Right away buy some 1 gal jugs of water, freeze them, and place in your reservoir, or use h2o2. h2o2 limits what beneficial organisms you can feed your plants. I'm not sure if the frozen water bottle could kill bacteria it comes in contact with, I only did it once or twice, but my temps were so high it didn't matter, the ice just melted and my water stayed at 82... man am I glad I don't live in the awful desert anymore! You will eventually have to purchase a chiller if you cannot figure out how to cool your reservoir. You can drape some thick plastic over it to help insulate it, that is about all the advise I could give you besides bury it, which you can't.

I have a friend who is exclusively on DWC, his res temps were 74 almost the entire grow, he has 2 grow chambers, grow chamber #1 got struck by root rot, which let in bud rot and powdery mildew. He lost half of all his nugs the week of harvest. Some of it he lost a few days before harvest, some a few days after. He is harvesting room #2 today and there doesn't seem to be any problems. His yield is not what it should be, I don't know if it is to be blamed on weak stem growth or water temps. I know the last time I did DWC with the same strain (SFV OG Kush) I had high water temps, but still got a fantastic yield off the plant. But my roots were brown and unhappy by the end. The other plant right next to my SFV was a White Berry, and she got root rot and started to die on week 6.5, but I was able to keep her alive long enough with out mold to give her a clearex flush and chop her on week 7, maybe a few days before. The buds still turned out great, and the harvest was good too, but that was mainly do to the excellent job I did of FIM'ing it when it was very young, and the pruning I did on it before it flowered. I know for a fact I could have pulled an extra 1/2 oz or more off of it if it didn't get the root disease and could have gone on one more week or so.

And all your seedlings look great. When you start to flower you may want to do 100% res changes, not 65%-75% it could cause problems during the worst possible time.
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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no sense in doing a 75 % rez change as most of the sediments and salt are in the last bit you flush out.

Jozikins....dman that sucks about your buddies garden PM is a bitch i had a beutiful strain get that and i had to trash it, once they have it they have it forever. was your friends grow are cooler with high humidity? is most have been or else his pm came from the mother.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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He didn't get it from the mother, me and him trade clones all the time, and I haven't had any issues with it. I don't think his humidity was high, but his plants were all packed in too close, he uses a screen with 1" squares so I don't think there was enough air flow between his nugs. It was also in a filing cabinet, which doesn't have any passive air flow.

But yeah, all the salts do usually sit at the bottom, but I guess all he really needed to do is dilute it at the moment, because his PPM's were too high, the sauce was still fresh. But normally, later on in life, that can cause lock-up and produce a poor quality flavor in your nugs.
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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what's too high? the plants will tell you if the ppm's are too high.


oh and on the meter note... i have two nutra dip tri-meters, they rock. whenever i calibrate them they are always right on or barely off. moving them or bumping them is what throws the calibration off.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Nutradip huh? Never heard of them, I'll look them up. Normally bumping, dropping, or removing the power source from a meter can throw it off, but in the case of the Milwaukee it was just garbage. My Hanna is descent enough at keeping calibration, but it's PPM meter is sooooooo inaccurate, it will rapidly adjust between 100-50 PPM above the correct PPM, and 100-50 below the correct PPM. So I have to kind of guess where it is in the middle, and I call that the PPM in my log. my HM Digital PPM meter can give me accurate reading usually with 10 PPM, and it costs me less than 40 bucks. It isn't waterproof, but it is accurate. I like the pens more than anything because I can carry them from grow room to grow room and usually they are very reliable!

I would like a trimeter to call my own that I love though...
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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I'm a real minimalist and I usually bump my reservoir up by only 50ppm a week. I actually do get a significant difference from just 100ppm's, I've actually burned a few plants by jumping up like that before. Not just young plant's, when they are more sensitive, but this has happened to mature flowering plants as well. It's partially because my plants do not have a tolerance built up for excessive mineral salts, some of my strains are also super sensitive to fertilizers, even if I bring them up as seedlings and try and get them to take in higher PPM's, they just don't do well. I'm okay with this though, sometimes it saves me money, sometimes my fertilizer bottles start to lose their jazz after a while and I have to throw them out.

On another note I have some other plants that are totally fine with me bumping PPM's up by 250 at a time, sometimes more (usually by accident, sometimes because I just don't give a fuck and I'm tired.) Part of it is strain specific, part of it is how you feed them. Usually it's my OG's from LA that don't care about PPM's as long as I don't go over 1300, but my fancy Dutch strains don't like the hot sauce at all, they peak at 900-1150PPM.
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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White Widow liked about 900 ppm's when i grew it (i don't know what seed bank it was from though, definately the most touchy strain i have grown) purp kush was taking ppms as high as 2200, u dubb and super silver haze seem to like to stay about 1200-1300. those are the only strains i have done since i've had my meters. i've seen posts on here where people say to never go over 1000 ppm's, i think those people are full of shit, if the plant can take it -they can take it, so why not give it to them? oh and my water is about 180 or so off of a tall boy sediment/carbon filter, we have damn good water here.
 
drekoushranada

drekoushranada

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Jozikins said:
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT! GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!!!!!

Why the fuck does backspace take me back a page? How do I disable this shit? Fucking Google Chrome always waits until I have typed out 8 or 10 paragraphs and then deletes it all by doing that shit!!!!!!!!!!!

God dammit! I wish I had the patience to retype all that information to help you out but I do not.

A Summary of what I typed:

If you care about your garden and it's success at all, as well ass your own mental health, return that Milwaukee meter ASAP! Before it is too late! I have Milwaukee and it is the worst addition there ever was to my garden. Returned it almost immediately it was such garbage! It is very cheaply assembled, and closely resembles that of a Happy Meal toy. Hanna is also terrible, and extremely inaccurate.

RETURN THE MILWAUKEE METER! Learn from my mistakes.

HM Digital, Oakton, and Bluelab are what you want, don't look anywhere else. I've bought and used ALL OF THEM, and I know what is best. The Truncheon from Bluelab is AWESOME!! My boss uses it. Fucking amazing. I own a Hanna trimeter I don't even use anymore, I use my Oakton pH pen and my HM digital TDS pen. The only thing I use the Hanna for is to measure the temps, but I think that is even inaccurate now. Piece of shit. The Milwaukee I returned so fast! Soooo fast! What a piece of shit! Always off by .2, even if we JUST calibrated it. Piece of shit meter! I can't stress it enough!

Your temps are okay, but can and probably will eventually cause problems. Right away buy some 1 gal jugs of water, freeze them, and place in your reservoir, or use h2o2. h2o2 limits what beneficial organisms you can feed your plants. I'm not sure if the frozen water bottle could kill bacteria it comes in contact with, I only did it once or twice, but my temps were so high it didn't matter, the ice just melted and my water stayed at 82... man am I glad I don't live in the awful desert anymore! You will eventually have to purchase a chiller if you cannot figure out how to cool your reservoir. You can drape some thick plastic over it to help insulate it, that is about all the advise I could give you besides bury it, which you can't.

I have a friend who is exclusively on DWC, his res temps were 74 almost the entire grow, he has 2 grow chambers, grow chamber #1 got struck by root rot, which let in bud rot and powdery mildew. He lost half of all his nugs the week of harvest. Some of it he lost a few days before harvest, some a few days after. He is harvesting room #2 today and there doesn't seem to be any problems. His yield is not what it should be, I don't know if it is to be blamed on weak stem growth or water temps. I know the last time I did DWC with the same strain (SFV OG Kush) I had high water temps, but still got a fantastic yield off the plant. But my roots were brown and unhappy by the end. The other plant right next to my SFV was a White Berry, and she got root rot and started to die on week 6.5, but I was able to keep her alive long enough with out mold to give her a clearex flush and chop her on week 7, maybe a few days before. The buds still turned out great, and the harvest was good too, but that was mainly do to the excellent job I did of FIM'ing it when it was very young, and the pruning I did on it before it flowered. I know for a fact I could have pulled an extra 1/2 oz or more off of it if it didn't get the root disease and could have gone on one more week or so.

And all your seedlings look great. When you start to flower you may want to do 100% res changes, not 65%-75% it could cause problems during the worst possible time.
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Robert Paulson said:
no sense in doing a 75 % rez change as most of the sediments and salt are in the last bit you flush out.

Jozikins....dman that sucks about your buddies garden PM is a bitch i had a beutiful strain get that and i had to trash it, once they have it they have it forever. was your friends grow are cooler with high humidity? is most have been or else his pm came from the mother.
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Yeah I ordered that dang thing of flea bay already. I will see if I could put a stop on it so I can purchase a different one.The only reason why I did only 75% when I did do the water change was because the sauce was only a 2-3 days old. I have around 80-90 gallons running through the system for 10 plants. I was trying to save a bit of coin on the Grow nutes. I know im a noob but this Dyna Gro stuff does not seem bad at all. Still not sure which ones will be female from some of them. I think I may ScRog one and top another one for 4 main colas just to see what happens. The others will grow at their own will.
 
drekoushranada

drekoushranada

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One weird thing I noticed on pretty much all of my plants since I germed them is the stems are a purple color. What is the reason for this?
 
Robert Paulson

Robert Paulson

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drekoushranada said:
One weird thing I noticed on pretty much all of my plants since I germed them is the stems are a purple color. What is the reason for this?
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just the strain. some are redish some are bright bright green some get purple. its totally normal, those purpla lines are nute super highways.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Robert Paulson said:
White Widow liked about 900 ppm's when i grew it (i don't know what seed bank it was from though, definately the most touchy strain i have grown) purp kush was taking ppms as high as 2200, u dubb and super silver haze seem to like to stay about 1200-1300. those are the only strains i have done since i've had my meters. i've seen posts on here where people say to never go over 1000 ppm's, i think those people are full of shit, if the plant can take it -they can take it, so why not give it to them? oh and my water is about 180 or so off of a tall boy sediment/carbon filter, we have damn good water here.
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Well I wouldn't say they are full of shit. I'll post an article about this as soon as I can find it, but over feeding your plants can have traumatic results on your yields and flavor! Mineral salts are bounded, and let's say your plants are in desperate need of Phosphorus, but are over loaded with Sodium, well your source of P happens to be TSP (old school I know, it was the first example that came to mind) so your plants cannot take up any more Phosphorus without taking up more Sodium. Well because we bumped up the PPM's so high we now not only have plenty of Sodium, but a Sodium toxicity. This means the plant will have a hard time getting rid of this build up, so if it is close to crop we will have crackling and harsh buds. Not only this, but plants with a nutrient toxicity lose their resistance to disease like root rot, bud rot, and powdery mildew. Like I said, 100ppm's has been the difference between a crop of 6 week plants finishing up, or a crop of plants infested with root rot.

There was more than just res temps that screwed my friend over with mold, he also ran his PPM's well into the 2000's, and because of this he could not control is pH. When you cannot control your pH certain nutrients separate from their original chemical forms and turn into a cloudy solution your plants cannot take up, this begins different toxicities which start deficiencies else where, in the end your plants get disease and bug attacks.

I strongly believe a consistent and low PPM to pull the largest harvest possible. I share clones a lot, and people that run high PPM's never pull the same yields I do with the same strains, not ever. Not only that, but you are saving money! Of course, the best way to grow is to read your plants, but "more is better" does not apply as far as I'm concerned in the world of cannabis cultivation.

I'll post the article soon, it was a recent one from Maximum Yield. Knowledge is so powa!

drekoushranada said:
Yeah I ordered that dang thing of flea bay already. I will see if I could put a stop on it so I can purchase a different one.The only reason why I did only 75% when I did do the water change was because the sauce was only a 2-3 days old. I have around 80-90 gallons running through the system for 10 plants. I was trying to save a bit of coin on the Grow nutes. I know im a noob but this Dyna Gro stuff does not seem bad at all. Still not sure which ones will be female from some of them. I think I may ScRog one and top another one for 4 main colas just to see what happens. The others will grow at their own will.
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Sad, I hope you can stop the order. Hopefully you don't share my experience with Milwaukee. But I would definitely cross reference it with someone else' meter. I don't trust it! I understand that you changed your res the way you did because the nutes were still fresh. I would have done the same thing. But when we are trying to swap from one fertilizer to the other (one bloom booster to another, for example, or veg to bloom) we need to do full res changes.

drekoushranada said:
One weird thing I noticed on pretty much all of my plants since I germed them is the stems are a purple color. What is the reason for this?
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How young is it. It is either genetics, temperature, or food.

What's the strain? How old is it? What temperature is it? I already know what it is eating.
 
drekoushranada

drekoushranada

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Robert Paulson said:
Is this your first grow in this set-up?
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Yes this is my 1st grow in this set-up.

Jozikins said:
Well I wouldn't say they are full of shit. I'll post an article about this as soon as I can find it, but over feeding your plants can have traumatic results on your yields and flavor! Mineral salts are bounded, and let's say your plants are in desperate need of Phosphorus, but are over loaded with Sodium, well your source of P happens to be TSP (old school I know, it was the first example that came to mind) so your plants cannot take up any more Phosphorus without taking up more Sodium. Well because we bumped up the PPM's so high we now not only have plenty of Sodium, but a Sodium toxicity. This means the plant will have a hard time getting rid of this build up, so if it is close to crop we will have crackling and harsh buds. Not only this, but plants with a nutrient toxicity lose their resistance to disease like root rot, bud rot, and powdery mildew. Like I said, 100ppm's has been the difference between a crop of 6 week plants finishing up, or a crop of plants infested with root rot.

There was more than just res temps that screwed my friend over with mold, he also ran his PPM's well into the 2000's, and because of this he could not control is pH. When you cannot control your pH certain nutrients separate from their original chemical forms and turn into a cloudy solution your plants cannot take up, this begins different toxicities which start deficiencies else where, in the end your plants get disease and bug attacks.

I strongly believe a consistent and low PPM to pull the largest harvest possible. I share clones a lot, and people that run high PPM's never pull the same yields I do with the same strains, not ever. Not only that, but you are saving money! Of course, the best way to grow is to read your plants, but "more is better" does not apply as far as I'm concerned in the world of cannabis cultivation.

I'll post the article soon, it was a recent one from Maximum Yield. Knowledge is so powa!


Sad, I hope you can stop the order. Hopefully you don't share my experience with Milwaukee. But I would definitely cross reference it with someone else' meter. I don't trust it! I understand that you changed your res the way you did because the nutes were still fresh. I would have done the same thing. But when we are trying to swap from one fertilizer to the other (one bloom booster to another, for example, or veg to bloom) we need to do full res changes.


How young is it. It is either genetics, temperature, or food.

What's the strain? How old is it? What temperature is it? I already know what it is eating.
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Bagseed, Blue widow, AK48, WWxBB, Critical +. The temps are 81 with lights on and 72-74 with lights out. The food is Dyna Gro grow and ProTek. The bagseed are about two weeks old and the designer strains are about a week old.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Widow strains have purple tendencies and red stems sometimes, I've grown one particular blueberry strain before that always had red stems, AK 48 I haven't grown, although I never saw red stems on my AK 47. And Critical + I am clueless about. Your temps shouldn't give your red stems, and Dyna Gro should be well balanced enough to provide them everything..

You should be fine, but watch for signs of any deficiencies, just in case.
 
drekoushranada

drekoushranada

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Jozikins said:
Widow strains have purple tendencies and red stems sometimes, I've grown one particular blueberry strain before that always had red stems, AK 48 I haven't grown, although I never saw red stems on my AK 47. And Critical + I am clueless about. Your temps shouldn't give your red stems, and Dyna Gro should be well balanced enough to provide them everything..

You should be fine, but watch for signs of any deficiencies, just in case.
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Yes the Dyna Gro is on the money. I bet when I add the other 600w MH they are going to rocket off. People claims are on the money about when the plants roots hit the sauce they take off. 1 bag seed is a wilty joker but that thing grows like a monster. Not perky at all. I thought it was heat stress but all the other plants are doing great.

medicine21 said:
I think you will be fine with 73* water temps. Just add some Aquashield or heisenberg tea for protection against rot.
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Great news. Which one of those products are for a sterile res? Have you ever used food grade H2O2?
 
BendBrewer

BendBrewer

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I use Heisenberg's tea and I don't see anyone talking me out of using it anytime soon. It's magic. Tired H202 once and the slime loved it. Won't do that again.
 
BendBrewer

BendBrewer

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drekoushranada said:
Im going to look into this tea. I take it that your using benificial microbes?
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Yeah, that is what you are brewing up. Microbes and fungi that you feed outside your res. They multiply into the billions. Really makes those products last a long long time and work much more efficiently.
 
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