(2) 400W vs (1) 600W HID?

cashcow1000

Active Member
that makes no sense at all. lumes are the measure of watts per sq/ft. And should be used to figure out what lights would be best. Do the math. You want 50 lumens per sq ft min.. much more than that, you should have co2. This should also give you the ability to cool your space.

don't listen to jackasses.
 

cashcow1000

Active Member
Plants don't use lumens. :razz:

Your a jack ass. Measuring the lumens in your grow space is how you scientifically know if you have the right amount of light in a space. 50 lumens per sq ft is the benchmark for successful growth if all other elements are correct (temps, co2, humidity etc.)

But you must be pretending with a firehazard of CFL bullshit to even give advice.

:wall:
 

UserFriendly

New Member
that makes no sense at all. lumes are the measure of watts per sq/ft. And should be used to figure out what lights would be best. Do the math. You want 50 lumens per sq ft min.. much more than that, you should have co2. This should also give you the ability to cool your space.

don't listen to jackasses.
Let's get that quoted real quick. :lol:

I use a digital 600 on a 5' x 5' area and my hood isn't the largest horizontal reflector either. I also use a 1k on an area just short of 7' x 7'.
 

easygrinder

New Member
Let's get that quoted real quick. :lol:

I use a 600 in a 5' x 5' area and my hood isn't the largest horizontal reflector either.

i use 2 x 600w in a 4x4 area and i have regular shaped reflectors and i get awesome light distrubtion.

how far away from your plant tops is your hood?
 

easygrinder

New Member
seriously? that statement is ridiculous.:wall:
why if a 600w produces 92000 lumens and you split it between 25 sq foot you get 3680 lumens

now surely you are aware of cfls that produce 4000 lumens?

what i'm saying is that a 600w in that space is as useless as a 4000w cfl over every sq foot

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

dipshit
 

UserFriendly

New Member
why if a 600w produces 92000 lumens and you split it between 25 sq foot you get 3680 lumens

now surely you are aware of cfls that produce 4000 lumens?

what i'm saying is that a 600w in that space is as useless as a 4000w cfl over every sq foot

:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

dipshit
Plants don't use lumens. :razz:
i use 2 x 600w in a 4x4 area and i have regular shaped reflectors and i get awesome light distrubtion.
No shit?..... awesome light distribution w/ 2 x 600w in a 4' x 4' area? Who'd uh thought? :razz:

how far away from your plant tops is your hood?
I usually keep the lamp about 2 feet above the canopy
 

easygrinder

New Member
No shit?..... awesome light distribution w/ 2 x 600w in a 4' x 4' area? Who'd uh thought? :razz:



I usually keep the lamp about 2 feet above the canopy

userfriendly hasn't changed one bit, how many times have you been banned and made it back

your info is as useless as ever
 

jjng5

Well-Known Member
I'm concerned that I just won't be able to pull off a 1kW hps because of the heat and the circuit breakers max amps in the room I'm using.

So would I be better off with:

A) (2) 400W lamps
B) (1) 600W air cooled
C) (1) 600W using a Sun Soaker 4' Umbrella reflector?

Secondly, if I was able to use a 1k bulb, what is the heat difference between a 600W and a 1kW? Again, my ventilation vents to the room outside of the tent - so a 1KW heat is a concern?

Thank you!
 

la9

Well-Known Member
Thought I'd jump in and change the subject.

600's are supposed to be more efficient but I was looking at bulb prices today and it looks like 400 watt bulbs are about half the price of 600 watt bulbs. Looks like 600 watt bulbs are about the same price as 1000 watt bulbs.

I'd either go with 400 watt fixtures or 1000 watt fixtures. The other thing is if you need to get a bulb in a pinch most of the big hardware chains will carry the 400 watt bulb but usually don't carry anything bigger.

400 watter gets my vote.
 

UserFriendly

New Member
I'm concerned that I just won't be able to pull off a 1kW hps because of the heat and the circuit breakers max amps in the room I'm using.

So would I be better off with:

A) (2) 400W lamps
B) (1) 600W air cooled
C) (1) 600W using a Sun Soaker 4' Umbrella reflector?

Secondly, if I was able to use a 1k bulb, what is the heat difference between a 600W and a 1kW? Again, my ventilation vents to the room outside of the tent - so a 1KW heat is a concern?

Thank you!
I'd use a 1k or 600.
If you can't get the 1K, you should go with a 600. It's 200 watts less (watts = heat) than 2 x 400, but just as much light.

1 watt/hour = 3.412 BTU

Do you have an air-conditioner in there? You'll have to find a way to remove the heat from the environment or temps and humidity will be uncontrollable.

Thought I'd jump in and change the subject.

600's are supposed to be more efficient but I was looking at bulb prices today and it looks like 400 watt bulbs are about half the price of 600 watt bulbs. Looks like 600 watt bulbs are about the same price as 1000 watt bulbs.

I'd either go with 400 watt fixtures or 1000 watt fixtures. The other thing is if you need to get a bulb in a pinch most of the big hardware chains will carry the 400 watt bulb but usually don't carry anything bigger.

400 watter gets my vote.
You also have to factor in the price of an extra ballast, cordset and/or reflector, a bigger fan to handle the extra heat, and possibly a more powerful air-conditioner. I'd rather spend a little extra for a bigger lamp once a year. ;-)
 

la9

Well-Known Member
You also have to factor in the price of an extra ballast, cordset and/or reflector, a bigger fan to handle the extra heat, and possibly a more powerful air-conditioner. I'd rather spend a little extra for a bigger lamp once a year. :wink:
That's why we are here not one person can think of everything. I still think I'd go with the 1000 watt over the (2) 400's with that in mind.
 

jjng5

Well-Known Member
No doubt. :blsmoke:
I'm starting to agree that 600W seems to be my only option.

As much as I'd like to go 1000W, without running exhaust outside and having an intake bringing in cool exhuast... I see problems on the horizon. With my grow tent the best I can do is use my room air conditioner (which isnt even that big) and vent air outside the tent into the room the tent is in.

Any last thoughts?
Thank you everyone! bongsmilie
 

jjng5

Well-Known Member
OH WAIT!

One last question... very imporant!

I am going to get a 600W HPS with an upgraded 95,000 Lumen bulb... because my tent is 4.67' x 4.67'... should I get an aircooled fixture or a 4' x 4' Sunsoaker Umbrella Fixture to ensure even distribution over the entire grow... any thoughts? I'm starting to think that putting the 600W lamp closer to the plants isn't my objective since I have such a large area to cover and need to cover it well... what do you think?
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
If your growing in an enclosed area like that, your gonna want an aircooled reflector. Get somethin like a cooltube, or or a solar six (which is cheap), or some other type of aircooled hood man. 600w's get hot as hell. I got done doin a grow a couple months ago in a 2x4x5 tent with a 600w cooltube setup. I used a 400cfm inline fan, conected to both my carbon filter and my cooltube (i sucked the air (scrubbed) through the filter, and then blew it through the cooltube, and then out of the tent. Which incidentally, the air was vented into the same room the tent was in. I didnt have any type of heating issues whatsoever once i bought the inline fan. beforehand though temps got to be around 100+ degrees f.

Now im using 2x1000w setups, but im still running both lights with one 400cfm fan. Keeps everything nice n normal, you cant feel the heat at all.

Now, just for reference man, you can get a nice 500cfm inline canlookin fan from HTG supply for around 40 bucks. It works just as well as a vortex, or any other fan that costs 200 bucks for equal cfms. I spent like a half hour talkin to the dude workin at HTG askin questions about the fan before i bought it, and i dont regret it for a second. Its phenominal, and relatively quiet too man.

good luck with your descision, but 600w setup i think would work pretty good for the space you have, but if you wanna go with 2 400's or 1x1000w, you shouldnt have problems doing that either.

-just for the record, in such a small space, growing only 5 plants, i got a little over 1/2 lb dry using a 600w in a cooltube ;)

-good luck man
-K1.
 

jjng5

Well-Known Member
If your growing in an enclosed area like that, your gonna want an aircooled reflector.
I am already running an inline duct fan + two carbon scubbers with fans on the other end with a 400W HPS. I'm exhausting out of two vent holes. The temps currently don't go above 78 degrees F. You really think the cool tube makes that much differences even with proper ventilation? The reason I ask is because I feel like the big trade off is going to be the plants along the outside of the tent; where as with the Sunsoaker 4x4 reflector, it would have reached them better than the cool tube. What do you think?
 

la9

Well-Known Member
I'm starting to agree that 600W seems to be my only option.

As much as I'd like to go 1000W, without running exhaust outside and having an intake bringing in cool exhuast... I see problems on the horizon. With my grow tent the best I can do is use my room air conditioner (which isnt even that big) and vent air outside the tent into the room the tent is in.

Any last thoughts?
Thank you everyone! bongsmilie
If you'd like to go with the 1000 watter you could run a cool tube and just use inside air, pull it in one side and out the other, you should be fine. Don't go thinking you are going to increase you inside temperature to that of the sun, they run hot but many people seem to get the impression that HID bulbs run hotter than they actually do.
 

UserFriendly

New Member
OH WAIT!

One last question... very imporant!

I am going to get a 600W HPS with an upgraded 95,000 Lumen bulb... because my tent is 4.67' x 4.67'... should I get an aircooled fixture or a 4' x 4' Sunsoaker Umbrella Fixture to ensure even distribution over the entire grow... any thoughts? I'm starting to think that putting the 600W lamp closer to the plants isn't my objective since I have such a large area to cover and need to cover it well... what do you think?
If you can manage to dump the heat in front of the air-conditioner, you might not need an air-cooled reflector. I would suggest you check the temps with whatever reflector you're using for the 400 and go by that before you buy anything else. You'll have decent vertical space and the carbon extractor might be enough just to get the heat out of the tent and through the A/C.

Even if temps are in check, humidity might go way down on you. You might be better off running a bare vertical lamp with a humidifier just outside the intake vent. Just get what you know you need first, then make your play off of that, or you may end up acquiring a bunch of equipment you don't need.

You getting a digital ballast? I would/did. ;-)
 
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