20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

treeharvest

Member
Hello all & Marry xmas!! This is my first post on here but far from my first grow. I would like to say thank you to cg,mello kitty and wolverine for the great read. I just made it to page 214 and I loved every min of it! CG you are great! You helped me alot with my grow and with how to deal with ppl., kitty you make me lol alot. and wolverine you're grows are where I would like mine to be! Rock on guys!
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
StoneStare, I have never used a dual bulb. But, I have used MH and HPS in the bloom room together with very good results. I think you should give it a try. Please let us know how it works out and send some pics.

Wolverine, 90 is the cooking and 25 is the full melt. One of our members is a big hash guy. He came over and tested both batches. The 90 mesh tended to catch fire a little, while the 25 mesh just melted. Also, I watched the Matt Rize You Tube vid on making water hash. He uses similar sizes for similar results. If you have never seen the vid, watch it. His hash sells for top dollar at the dispensary that sells it. I am NOT a hash guy. I have to rely on others to tell me what the fuck is going on.

Chadness, good to hear from an Aussie! Hey, how much does killer weed sell for there?

Kitty, Someguy, and Cokeandcrown; I do still make a little dry ice kief for myself. Yes, it is much easier to make. Yes, I WAY prefer smoking it to water hash. BUT, the members all prefer ice water hash, and the dispensaries have been requesting some water hash made from the Bubba trim. I do agree that there is probably more contamination in the dry ice hash. But, I also think that the dry ice kief tastes much fuller and gets you WAY more fucked up. It's pretty much the only thing that I won't smoke anywhere but home. The last time I took a big ass vapor hit of that shit was my birthday at the grow op. I was so fucked up I couldn't drive, and ended up stuck alone at the grow, unable to drive myself home. Last night I took a HUGE hit of the water hash full melt. I even used the hash bowl and glass wand in my Pure Glass bong. I got pretty fucked up...but no where near what the kief does.

Once my wife starts the edibles collective, I'll probably have to use all concentrates to supply her. At that point, I'll just make dry ice hash with the trash mesh (220). I've done it before. It makes a butt load of kief very fast. The quality is actually good enough to smoke, but it's really great for cooking. Using this kief we were able to make 2 batches of cookies on 2 seperate occassions with the exact same potency. All you weed chefs out there know that proper dosing is the key to edibles. This becomes very true in a commercial edible sittuation. I just don't think you could use trim and get consistant results.

Treeharvests, welcome aboard. Thanks for all the nice words for me and the crew. Also, thanks for reading the whole thing.
 

mellokitty

Moderatrix of Journals
merry all-that-jazz, hubby#2! xoxo
omg, i hate that too-fucked-up feeling. i start feeling all feeble-minded and shit.

as you may remember, i'm a bigger fan of water hash myself.... and incidentally, i've recently started to think that using hash for medibles is the way to go too. to that end, i put a microplane on the commerce-mas list this year. :)
 

Chadness

Member
Heya CG Weed sells for between $350 and $400 an oz regardless of strain. We are on about parity with the USD at the moment.
 

stonestare

Active Member
That sounds about what you get in the city, I live in the midle of the US and hear a ounce of mexican garbage goes for 120 an ounce, my killer well lets say that I am making a killing. I am trying to go legal and its is a bitch LOL. I am not going to make the same but atleast I will not have the po po kicking my door in again! The funny thing is they shredded everything in my house and they didnt find a roach.

CG I will deffinatly order that bulb and see how it goes I just got to wait a little bit I got alot of hot irons and I just do not have the time to start in yet. I think I got it figured everything out. I have tried to go back through this post and find out what ballast you are using and have not been able to find it, could you tell me what you are using. I have a question its is about fans. Since I will be using a 4X4X6 foot Secret Jardin tent will a 8" fan (Sun Leaves) with out a speed controler move such a high volume of air that the tents atmosphere will not cool down.The tent will be a total of 96sq feet and the fan will push 750 cfm and the carbon filter is rated at 810 cfm. Will my exchange rate if I done I done the math right it would take 5 minutes to exchange all of the air. Will that be too fast of a rate? I was planing on 8" duct so I can hook up multipul reflectors later down the road. I am trying to plan this out so I dont have to buy a new reflector and ducting down the road.

I will be using blocks like you are using, I would have to ship a pallet of Fox Farms for it to be worth the shipping cost plus 20 bucks a bag I think its a little to high. The blocks proboly cost $10 per bucket that I can deal with. Do you use the rockwool solution that they sell to soak the blocks or do you use your own recipe? I have been looking at greners to buy everything.

I knew you were using AN nutes as a test. Have you completed a run with them yet?I was not planning on using nutes but since I will be using the blocks to save money I will have to use nutes and to be honest I dont know jack about them. I have gown outdoors and I used IRONITE for fertilizer. It is a mineral based product and it will make for some really deep green leaves since it has iron in it. Its cheap $18 a bag at lowes or home depo and it works better in my opinion than other fertilizers that you can get at a chain store.The ratio I think is 1-0-1

Once again thanks
 

Wolverine97

Well-Known Member
StoneStare, I have never used a dual bulb. But, I have used MH and HPS in the bloom room together with very good results. I think you should give it a try. Please let us know how it works out and send some pics.

Wolverine, 90 is the cooking and 25 is the full melt. One of our members is a big hash guy. He came over and tested both batches. The 90 mesh tended to catch fire a little, while the 25 mesh just melted. Also, I watched the Matt Rize You Tube vid on making water hash. He uses similar sizes for similar results. If you have never seen the vid, watch it. His hash sells for top dollar at the dispensary that sells it. I am NOT a hash guy. I have to rely on others to tell me what the fuck is going on.

Chadness, good to hear from an Aussie! Hey, how much does killer weed sell for there?

Kitty, Someguy, and Cokeandcrown; I do still make a little dry ice kief for myself. Yes, it is much easier to make. Yes, I WAY prefer smoking it to water hash. BUT, the members all prefer ice water hash, and the dispensaries have been requesting some water hash made from the Bubba trim. I do agree that there is probably more contamination in the dry ice hash. But, I also think that the dry ice kief tastes much fuller and gets you WAY more fucked up. It's pretty much the only thing that I won't smoke anywhere but home. The last time I took a big ass vapor hit of that shit was my birthday at the grow op. I was so fucked up I couldn't drive, and ended up stuck alone at the grow, unable to drive myself home. Last night I took a HUGE hit of the water hash full melt. I even used the hash bowl and glass wand in my Pure Glass bong. I got pretty fucked up...but no where near what the kief does.

Once my wife starts the edibles collective, I'll probably have to use all concentrates to supply her. At that point, I'll just make dry ice hash with the trash mesh (220). I've done it before. It makes a butt load of kief very fast. The quality is actually good enough to smoke, but it's really great for cooking. Using this kief we were able to make 2 batches of cookies on 2 seperate occassions with the exact same potency. All you weed chefs out there know that proper dosing is the key to edibles. This becomes very true in a commercial edible sittuation. I just don't think you could use trim and get consistant results.

Treeharvests, welcome aboard. Thanks for all the nice words for me and the crew. Also, thanks for reading the whole thing.
Wow, that's crazy to me because it's just the opposite of what I've always read. I've watched his video too, but I guess I just got it backwards myself. I remembered (thought so anyway) him saying the 25 caught flame and they hypothesized that it was because the smaller heads contained more volatile terpenes. Guess I need to pay better attention, or lay off the reefer prior to... Merry Christmas guys, you're all in my thoughts (some more than others).
 

stonestare

Active Member
I watched that clip and the question I have about Ice is how much of the trichs are stuck to the ice itself? Is it possible to do the ice side of it in a 5 gallon bucket then put everything through the screen bag?

I have some 120 line silk screen nailed to a 2X4 box that I do all my trimming on top of it. When I am done for the day I take a Bondo scraper and gently rub everything back and forth a couple times to collect kief from trimming. You can get it at most T shirt shops.
 

MrEDuck

Well-Known Member
Merry Christmas everyone.
And to the guy talking about putting a 750cfm fan in a 4x4x6 tent your math is wrong. You'd be turning it over almost every five seconds. 4x4x6=96sq ft. To exchange that every five minutes we divide that number by five 96 cu ft/5min=19.2cfm. A little 4" 100cfm fan will exchange slightly faster than once a minute.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
merry all-that-jazz, hubby#2! xoxo
omg, i hate that too-fucked-up feeling. i start feeling all feeble-minded and shit.

as you may remember, i'm a bigger fan of water hash myself.... and incidentally, i've recently started to think that using hash for medibles is the way to go too. to that end, i put a microplane on the commerce-mas list this year. :)
What be a microplane?

Merry Christmas to you, Kitty, and your family, as well.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
That sounds about what you get in the city, I live in the midle of the US and hear a ounce of mexican garbage goes for 120 an ounce, my killer well lets say that I am making a killing. I am trying to go legal and its is a bitch LOL. I am not going to make the same but atleast I will not have the po po kicking my door in again! The funny thing is they shredded everything in my house and they didnt find a roach.

CG I will deffinatly order that bulb and see how it goes I just got to wait a little bit I got alot of hot irons and I just do not have the time to start in yet. I think I got it figured everything out. I have tried to go back through this post and find out what ballast you are using and have not been able to find it, could you tell me what you are using. I have a question its is about fans. Since I will be using a 4X4X6 foot Secret Jardin tent will a 8" fan (Sun Leaves) with out a speed controler move such a high volume of air that the tents atmosphere will not cool down.The tent will be a total of 96sq feet and the fan will push 750 cfm and the carbon filter is rated at 810 cfm. Will my exchange rate if I done I done the math right it would take 5 minutes to exchange all of the air. Will that be too fast of a rate? I was planing on 8" duct so I can hook up multipul reflectors later down the road. I am trying to plan this out so I dont have to buy a new reflector and ducting down the road.

I will be using blocks like you are using, I would have to ship a pallet of Fox Farms for it to be worth the shipping cost plus 20 bucks a bag I think its a little to high. The blocks proboly cost $10 per bucket that I can deal with. Do you use the rockwool solution that they sell to soak the blocks or do you use your own recipe? I have been looking at greners to buy everything.

I knew you were using AN nutes as a test. Have you completed a run with them yet?I was not planning on using nutes but since I will be using the blocks to save money I will have to use nutes and to be honest I dont know jack about them. I have gown outdoors and I used IRONITE for fertilizer. It is a mineral based product and it will make for some really deep green leaves since it has iron in it. Its cheap $18 a bag at lowes or home depo and it works better in my opinion than other fertilizers that you can get at a chain store.The ratio I think is 1-0-1

Once again thanks
I soak my blocks in nutrient solution. I have completed a couple runs with AN and have been very pleased. We ran a test with the Grotek line, as well. The Grotek outperformed the Cutting Edge, but wasn't even close to the AN. In fact, I stopped the test at 4 weeks and just went to AN. It was that obvious. Bummer, cause I like the Grotek guys.

On air circulation. Just keep in mind the faster you exchange the air, the more the tent interior will be like the air that is coming into it. So, if the intake air is 78f and 50% RH, there would be no such thing as too much air flow. But, if the intake air was 65f, you may want to slow the fan down to allow some heating. It's really best to vent the lights and the tent with 2 seperate fans. This allows better atmosphere control, and sets you up for a sealed room in the future.
 

kamie

Active Member
Hey Cg,

i think about 50 pages back you talked about commercial J using 1k lights and dimming it to 750. I wanted to know if you have tried that? does he do that just to save electricity and to lower heating? also does he dim it to 750 from beginning of 12/12 all the way to the end? I run with 4 1k magnum xxxl's as well and deciding to try dimming them as well.
 

Desr

Well-Known Member
well i just read through all 216 pages. it took me days. but it was well worth it. good job cg. youre an inspiration to us all.
 

stonestare

Active Member
Thanks for the input, I am going to try and be running in 2 months I just have a hurdle to get over in Jan, then I will be able to start it up hopefully in feb. The under temp should not be an issue it will be inside and I keep my home at 72. My goal is to start reading what I can find on nutes. Being a gorilla grower has alot of disadvantges but I have had to grow that way. I proboly need to get some books also. Before I start I want to try and get s much info as I can. I know there is a ton on this thread so I will be reading it over several more times.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
Tray 1.jpgTray 2.jpg These 2 pics show most of the bloom room. Pic on the left is "tray 1", pic on the right is "center area" and "tray 2". Each area is lit by 4 - 1000 watt lights. There are 2 - 600 watt lights just out of frame on the right of second pic.

D Bub 4 weeks.jpg This is the D-Bub pheno at 4 weeks. The 3 test plants we grew of this last month yielded 18 ozs together. They were a tad taller than this plant, which is one of 25 we have growing this run. Not only is it a great yielding plant, it's also super high quality and has perfect bag appeal. The plant does take around 9.5 weeks to finish, but the increase in yield more than makes up for the added time. I'll be dedicating most of the effort towards this strain. Did I mention that it's super hardy? Much of its vigor has to do with the fact that it was a seed less than a year ago, and our old Bubba hasn't been a seed since Moby Dick was minnow.

6 week Bubba.jpgHere's a 6.5 week Pre-98 Bubba. As you can see, most of the fan leaves have been removed by now. Removing the interior large fan leaves throughout veg creates the little monster you see here.

5 week Tahoe.jpgHere's a 6 week Tahoe x ChemDawg. This little plant was not topped...a mistake. If you look at the 5 topped Tahoes in the foreground of the "center area" you'll see how much bigger they are than this little fucker. I have 9 plants like this that take up a 3x4 area. This is classic OG: leggy, whispy, and frail. Much of the "OG" out there has been crossed with more hardy strains to make growing easier and increase yield. Without the tomato cage this plant will collapse under the weight of its tops. I don't think any pure OG would survive anywhere in the wild.

Bag o Bub.jpgThe fruit of our labor. This is the Pre 98...dries, cured, and ready for our members.
 

stonestare

Active Member
Looking killer wish I was there LOL. I was searching around for seeds and I found the first strain of northern lights, I dont know if it is or not but that is what the claim was. I also found a strain called ice it has trichs on it that it looks like mold becuase its so covered with crystals. It maybe a good strain to make hash with.View attachment 1956068 there is a pic of it man that looks like kief heaven
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Hey cg i know you use a large ceiling ac unit but in those pics i see what i think is a ac unit? My question is how well
Dothose smallunits work. And theventing for it how can you scubb the air being vented from it?
 

Bird Gymnastics

New Member
View attachment 1955785View attachment 1955790 These 2 pics show most of the bloom room. Pic on the left is "tray 1", pic on the right is "center area" and "tray 2". Each area is lit by 4 - 1000 watt lights. There are 2 - 600 watt lights just out of frame on the right of second pic.

View attachment 1955797 This is the D-Bub pheno at 4 weeks. The 3 test plants we grew of this last month yielded 18 ozs together. They were a tad taller than this plant, which is one of 25 we have growing this run. Not only is it a great yielding plant, it's also super high quality and has perfect bag appeal. The plant does take around 9.5 weeks to finish, but the increase in yield more than makes up for the added time. I'll be dedicating most of the effort towards this strain. Did I mention that it's super hardy? Much of its vigor has to do with the fact that it was a seed less than a year ago, and our old Bubba hasn't been a seed since Moby Dick was minnow.

View attachment 1955803Here's a 6.5 week Pre-98 Bubba. As you can see, most of the fan leaves have been removed by now. Removing the interior large fan leaves throughout veg creates the little monster you see here.

View attachment 1955804Here's a 6 week Tahoe x ChemDawg. This little plant was not topped...a mistake. If you look at the 5 topped Tahoes in the foreground of the "center area" you'll see how much bigger they are than this little fucker. I have 9 plants like this that take up a 3x4 area. This is classic OG: leggy, whispy, and frail. Much of the "OG" out there has been crossed with more hardy strains to make growing easier and increase yield. Without the tomato cage this plant will collapse under the weight of its tops. I don't think any pure OG would survive anywhere in the wild.

View attachment 1955830The fruit of our labor. This is the Pre 98...dries, cured, and ready for our members.
Looking amazing as always CG! I had a question for you, has cutting those bigger fan leaves throughout veg affected your overall quality? I have heard different opinions and personally I have never noticed a huge difference except for the difference in yield. Just curious as what your thoughts are.
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
Hey cg i know you use a large ceiling ac unit but in those pics i see what i think is a ac unit? My question is how well
Dothose smallunits work. And theventing for it how can you scubb the air being vented from it?
The portables were the first AC's we installed. One is a single and one is a dual duct. Neither is filtered. They exhaust into the main warehouse. The exhaust from the main warehouse to outside is carbon filtered. I don't need to run ductless roof mount AC during winter. The 12,000 BTU portables keep up with the heat easily until June or so.

The real prob I have right now is cold. Installed a CO2 generator to help heat things up. It's installed in the veg room and is controlled by a thermostat in bloom room. The air flow goes from warehouse to veg room to bloom room. I'm sure the actual CO2 increase in minimal (200ppm?), but I noticed some pretty good growth increases the last few days. I may be from the heat...or both. I trashed about 25 clones today that hadn't rooted after 3 weeks. About 50 made it...thank god. I have no doubt it was the cold. Even with heat mats, the cubes were just too cold for solid root growth. Of course, the D-Bubs all rooted. That plant is so bad ass. It was the original bubs that had trouble. Poor old girl has just been around too long. I took new cuts today and they were all D-Bub and Tahoe. I'm going to run 75% D-Bub and 25% Tahoe for a while...see how that works.
 
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