2022 Massachusetts Outdoor Growers

So what's everyone's recipe for getting these plants through our fall now that we're approaching flowering? Trying to be proactive instead of reactive - with bud rot being my primary enemy (also have a mites issue that I think have under control but if anyone has killer (pun intended) solutions I'm all ears)

1. Pray
2. I've been focusing a lot more on defoliating consistently to increase airflow
3. Diatomaceous Earth around the base and BT spraying consistently - sometimes neem but naturally will reduce any kind of neem use into heavier flowering
4. Also hurricane season is (technically here already) fast approaching so I've been focusing on support as well as the number of snapped branches posts will start to increase I suspect

What else?

SmichiganOG said:

That's what I'm shooting for. Was hoping I'd get an early harvest but Aug. 1, no dice.

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Hmmm… That would be light speed not fast! Lol

StoneSoup said:

So what's everyone's recipe for getting these plants through our fall now that we're approaching flowering? Trying to be proactive instead of reactive - with bud rot being my primary enemy (also have a mites issue that I think have under control but if anyone has killer (pun intended) solutions I'm all ears)

1. Pray
2. I've been focusing a lot more on defoliating consistently to increase airflow
3. Diatomaceous Earth around the base and BT spraying consistently - sometimes neem but naturally will reduce any kind of neem use into heavier flowering
4. Also hurricane season is (technically here already) fast approaching so I've been focusing on support as well as the number of snapped branches posts will start to increase I suspect

What else?

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I‘m still experiencing the outdoor grow nuances too, as I’ve been an indoor grower significanting longer than outdoors (2nd year)… but I’ve learned a lot mostly from this thread since then. I also use “sticky yellow pads” set on $.97 a pack craft sticks in my soil... They work great! I was also advised and now do, use a fungicide mixed with either spinosad (general insect version) or BT (caterpillar specific)… at least once a week and after significant rainfalls. The Monterey brand is organic and my choice.

StoneSoup said:

So what's everyone's recipe for getting these plants through our fall now that we're approaching flowering? Trying to be proactive instead of reactive - with bud rot being my primary enemy (also have a mites issue that I think have under control but if anyone has killer (pun intended) solutions I'm all ears)

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Regular B.t. spraying if caterpillars are around. Also will spray with a very weak (1%) peroxide solution if rot becomes an issue.

Poco56 said:

Hmmm… That would be light speed not fast! Lol

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The breeder is near the same latitude as me and that was the claim for this strain. 42-45 days.

StoneSoup said:

So what's everyone's recipe for getting these plants through our fall now that we're approaching flowering? Trying to be proactive instead of reactive - with bud rot being my primary enemy (also have a mites issue that I think have under control but if anyone has killer (pun intended) solutions I'm all ears)

1. Pray
2. I've been focusing a lot more on defoliating consistently to increase airflow
3. Diatomaceous Earth around the base and BT spraying consistently - sometimes neem but naturally will reduce any kind of neem use into heavier flowering
4. Also hurricane season is (technically here already) fast approaching so I've been focusing on support as well as the number of snapped branches posts will start to increase I suspect

What else?

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I finally found a way that completely controlled the mites this year. I first got the grow bags off the ground and placed on milkcrates. Then I used a high-pressure water spray and physically removed the mites by spraying at an upward angle on the leaves. Lastly I mixed into 1 gallon of water: 2oz Neem oil, 1oz Dr Bronnors Peppermint soap and 1/2 cup DE. I sprayed everything with the solution; the crate, the growbag and the plant. That water spray removes most of the infestation then the neem smothers the adults and the residual DE powder shreds the soft body nymphs as they hatch. It also seemed to be a great deterrent for all pest insects. I had almost no signs of chewing damage at all. Most years there will some problems with leaf hoppers, beetles and catapillars. I treated the herb, squashes and tomatoes. The beans where left untreated as a control and are infested and almost dead now.


Finally got the drippers installed...of course after the heat wave when they needed water twice a day.

I don’t think id give that claim a thought. 6 weeks seems far fetched imo. The pic i posted are a fast version that are 4 wks in and not even close but I thought that was good. Done in 6 ? Def watching. If it pans out I want some of that haha

SmichiganOG said:

The breeder is near the same latitude as me and that was the claim for this strain. 42-45 days.

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Obviously. My only problems are mold and fungus in Michigan humidity. Most anything else is pretty irrelevant. I need something that's early or resistant as hell.

bam0813 said:

I don’t think id give that claim a thought. 6 weeks seems far fetched imo. The pic i posted are a fast version that are 4 wks in and not even close but I thought that was good. Done in 6 ? Def watching. If it pans out I want some of that haha

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I feel ya. I tried a couple so called fast versions this yr. Not sure what there all about but they did actually start early july where as my others are just starting . So far they seem just like a photo as far as growth and care . Hopefully the extra 4 weeks helps. If not im gonna have to learn autos

…So I had an interesting turn of events yesterday afternoon. My wife is sitting on the deck admiring the view and immediately heard a fluttering sound, which instantly drew her to one of the resident ladies pots. Apparently after replacing the well bug collected yellow sticky sheets for the flower run a couple days ago, a little chickadee got a wing stuck to it! I pulled the entire setup… handing the yellow sticky with the little bird still attached and she was able to gently pull the sticky sheet away from the wing. The bird was amazingly calm through the process. When resolved, my wife opened her hands and the bird sat there in her hands for a moment then flew off to the trees like a bat out of hell! Never a dull moment…

Poco56 said:

…So I had an interesting turn of events yesterday afternoon. My wife is sitting on the deck admiring the view and immediately heard a fluttering sound, which instantly drew her to one of the resident ladies pots. Apparently after replacing the well bug collected yellow sticky sheets for the flower run a couple days ago, a little chickadee got a wing stuck to it! I pulled the entire setup… handing the yellow sticky with the little bird still attached and she was able to gently pull the sticky sheet away from the wing. The bird was amazingly calm through the process. When resolved, my wife opened her hands and the bird sat there in her hands for a moment then flew off to the trees like a bat out of hell! Never a dull moment…

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Glad you saved that birdie.

Just an fyi but if anything like that happens again a little cooking oil will release the glueboard but nice save

Poco56 said:

…So I had an interesting turn of events yesterday afternoon. My wife is sitting on the deck admiring the view and immediately heard a fluttering sound, which instantly drew her to one of the resident ladies pots. Apparently after replacing the well bug collected yellow sticky sheets for the flower run a couple days ago, a little chickadee got a wing stuck to it! I pulled the entire setup… handing the yellow sticky with the little bird still attached and she was able to gently pull the sticky sheet away from the wing. The bird was amazingly calm through the process. When resolved, my wife opened her hands and the bird sat there in her hands for a moment then flew off to the trees like a bat out of hell! Never a dull moment…

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I know people who do things like kill every snake they see--harmless ones. If I Killed every snake I saw I have so many I wouldn't have time to grow. Woodchucks and pests I kill and I also eat meat. I don't kill anything without a reason and I save a few critters too. Good on ya'.

bam0813 said:

I feel ya. I tried a couple so called fast versions this yr. Not sure what there all about but they did actually start early july where as my others are just starting . So far they seem just like a photo as far as growth and care . Hopefully the extra 4 weeks helps. If not im gonna have to learn autos

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Varieties marked as "fast" usually are what some call Semi Autoflowers. They trigger into flowering from any small amount of reduced light period, hence flowering in July. ~June 20th is usually the summer solstice, or the longest day of the year so right after that they start to trigger into flowering. They also will flower due to stress, especially being root bound. Just my experience with them. Hope this helps!

Thanks man. Makes sense

Yes, I've had a bird get stuck i

Poco56 said:

…So I had an interesting turn of events yesterday afternoon. My wife is sitting on the deck admiring the view and immediately heard a fluttering sound, which instantly drew her to one of the resident ladies pots. Apparently after replacing the well bug collected yellow sticky sheets for the flower run a couple days ago, a little chickadee got a wing stuck to it! I pulled the entire setup… handing the yellow sticky with the little bird still attached and she was able to gently pull the sticky sheet away from the wing. The bird was amazingly calm through the process. When resolved, my wife opened her hands and the bird sat there in her hands for a moment then flew off to the trees like a bat out of hell! Never a dull moment…

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Yes, I've had a bird get stuck on a yellow sticky pad once. Mine wasn't so lucky. I found a bunch of feathers stuck to a pad, the bird must have thought he was in Snack Heaven, with all the bugs on it. Anyways, at first I thought he got away, only to find him floating in The Swamp with the frogs. It's definitely budding season, I'll go with my Max Home Defense, sprayed around the perimeter. Shake my plants after every rainfall religiously from here on out. Every little edge you can get helps.

Radicle420 said:

Varieties marked as "fast" usually are what some call Semi Autoflowers. They trigger into flowering from any small amount of reduced light period, hence flowering in July. ~June 20th is usually the summer solstice, or the longest day of the year so right after that they start to trigger into flowering. They also will flower due to stress, especially being root bound. Just my experience with them. Hope this helps!

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That's what they say about Early Iranian, that they can get triggered into flowering when you move them outdoors. Mine sure didn't but since I was afraid they might I got them out early.

StoneSoup said:

So what's everyone's recipe for getting these plants through our fall now that we're approaching flowering? Trying to be proactive instead of reactive - with bud rot being my primary enemy (also have a mites issue that I think have under control but if anyone has killer (pun intended) solutions I'm all ears)

1. Pray
2. I've been focusing a lot more on defoliating consistently to increase airflow
3. Diatomaceous Earth around the base and BT spraying consistently - sometimes neem but naturally will reduce any kind of neem use into heavier flowering
4. Also hurricane season is (technically here already) fast approaching so I've been focusing on support as well as the number of snapped branches posts will start to increase I suspect

What else?

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I'm down with praying. I still rock the King James.

SmichiganOG said:

That's what they say about Early Iranian, that they can get triggered into flowering when you move them outdoors. Mine sure didn't but since I was afraid they might I got them out early.

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The caveat is that if you put a semi-autoflower, that has ample root space, from a long photo period indoors to an outside location with increasing light periods (before June 20th,) it will not start flowering until after summer solstice. If it is root bound it will usually start flowering immediatly when put outdoors. Any extra stressors will do the same as well i.e. force flower. Hope this makes sense??!!

Here is a quote from OGS about the Iranian Early Flower

The Iranian ‘early flower’ (father in this cross) was sourced from Dr. Greenthumb, S1 from original cutting. To get that into regular seed form, I outcrossed it to the Blue Satellite 2.2, then bred two more generations always selecting males to cross back into the original IEF>

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Maybe your later flowering plants are just leaning toward the Blue Satellite 2.2 side of the lineage? Would be a pretty rare pheno!